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Posted: 8/6/2014 12:01 PM

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Let's start with the offense.  It should be noted that this was just the first preseason game and so we can't make too much out of a player's grades.  Nevertheless, the grades do reflect which players performed well and which players did not.

Walton was on the field for 20 snaps and didn't get the job done in run blocking (-1.7).  Run blocking has been Walton's weakness throughout his career and so this will be something to keep your eye on.

Who is OG Jamaal Johnson-Webb?  He played well.

It looks like the rookie Richburg got most of his snaps at LG -- and he struggled: 44 snaps -3.2 run blocking grade.  But when you take a college center and move him to guard in the professional ranks, that player will struggle in run blocking.

Brown (33 snaps) and Brewer (32 snaps) shared time at LT.  Both did OK.

A bad performance from John Jerry at RG (20 snaps -3.1 pass blocking grade).  Mosley was on the field for 27 snaps (at RG) and did OK.  They really need a strong run blocker to emerge at RG.  That won't be Jerry and so maybe Mosley will seize the opportunity?  Pugh could have a big season at RT(24 snaps, 1.7 run blocking).

The OL should be much better this year without David Diehl bringing down the entire unit, but they didn't play well in the first preseason game.

Hynoski (10 snaps 0.9 run blocking) played better than Connor (16 snaps, -1.6 run blocking).

Andre Williams looked good (10 snaps, 1.0 rushing grade).

Larry Donnell was on the field for 25 snaps and didn't do much or get the job done in run blocking (-1.2 run blocking grade).  Robinson was on the field for 28 snaps and wasn't much better.

At WR, Corey Washington (18 snaps, 1.3 receiving grade) and Marcus Washington (22 snaps 1.1 receiving grade) looked good and earned more playing time.

Nothing much from Manning (-1.8 overall) or Nassib (-1.4 overall).

After a disaster 2013 season, did Kiwi come to play this year (16 snaps, 2.5 overall grade)?  29 snaps for Moore, one QB Sack, one QB Hurry.  JPP has been taking heat, but he was only on the field for 16 snaps.  As usual, Kuhn sucked (31 snaps, -1.4 overall).  Impressive performance from Jay Bromley (27 snaps, 2.9 overall grade with one QB Hit, two QB hurries, and two tackles).

The LBs played well -- the starters: Kennard (started at SLB, 19 snaps, 1.0 overall grade), McClain (started at MLB, 20 snaps, 1.2 overall grade) and Williams (started at WLB, 20 snaps, 2.7 overall grade).  Herzlich didn't start but played well (28 snaps, 1.9 overall).  Herzlich has done this before--he looks good against second and third teams, but doesn't play well when going against starters.  Who is Spencer Adkins?  He played well in 33 snaps at WLB (2.9 overall grade) and earned more playing time.  Paysinger didn't play at all in this game.

Prince didn't do very much (19 snaps, -1.2 pass coverage grade).  His contract situation confuses me.  The Giants picked up an option on Prince that will pay him around 7-8 million next year, correct?  But if the Giants release him prior to next season, they don't owe him a thing?  Giants fans don't want to hear it, as Prince is one of the most hyped players on the team, but I think there is a good chance that the Giants release him before next season: he has done nothing in his career to prove he is worth that kind of money.  Bowman is fighting for a job and looked good (27 snaps, 1.9 pass coverage grade).  Bad games from James (30 snaps -2.0 pass coverage grade) and Hosley (42 snaps, -2.9 pass coverage grade).  Notice that Hosley played a lot of snaps.  Hosley has been a train wreck in coverage since he came into the league (although, this didn't stop Coughlin from playing him too much in his rookie season) and I wouldn't be surprised to see him get cut.  Boy, the Giants have been missing on a lot of draft picks.  Marc Ross better turn this around.  Strong games from the young safeties Behre (25 snaps 1.2 pass coverage grade) and Taylor (39 snaps, 0.9 pass coverage grade).

The Giants player of the game: the rookie Jay Bromley.
The Giants skunk of the game: Hosley.

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Posted: 8/6/2014 12:42 PM

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Thanks Sage.  One question and one clarification.

1.  Any insight into Eli's grade given that he completed 6 of7 passes with 6 straight completions.  Is it a case of the the fumble being graded so bad it greatly influenced the rest of his performance.
2.  I am thinking that I read somewhere that a grade in the range of +1 to -1 is considered an average game.  Is that correct?
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Posted: 8/6/2014 2:06 PM

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How in the world did Prince get a negative grade? SMH. If you watched the game Prince was tested and he proved he was ready by not allowing a catch. He covered Watkins with ease. He did whiff on a tackle at the line of scrimmage. Other than that Prince played well. The PFF ratings are ridiculous.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 3:02 PM

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Cooper Taylor received commendations from Coach Merritt who mentioned him as a bright point playing with confidence and understanding of the defense. Merritt being the position coach  and not the special teams head honcho who might be a little less impressed.

I enjoyed watching Corey Washington go up strong ala Plax and good effort in yac and td. A catch and run of that quality is impressive even off the Bills back ups

TC mentioned he thought Prince did a good job out there and he likes the idea Prince was targeted yet did a good job in a pre season game

Coach Guinta mentioned Zack Bowman and was pleased he showed out as a veteran should and should be in the competition for playing time.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 7:36 PM

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Honestly........the few times I kind of saw Prince in action, I didn't think he was looking great........but not awful, either.   He's certainly not what you would call a first round treasure.......but I think he's a solid, professional CB.   Maybe he doesn't grade out well......but I think he does well enough.    


Hosley had a rough game.    He might not be sticking around if that kind of performance continues.    


The first string OL didn't really impress me.......but I will be patient and let them get used to things.    I'm with you regardin Richburg Sage.    Why draft a Center to play Guard?    Draft a Guard to play Guard.....geez.   It's nice that he's versatile, but don't expect a guy to be at his best when he's not put in a position where he's at his best.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 9:27 PM

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Jeff...In regards to Richburg,I think if hes not ready to start at center ,guard would be where he would pick up valuable on the field training as far as making the blocking calls for the line.That being said Id be hoping Walton was on top of this for him to learn from.My guess for that is the team has done it before with Suey and Boothe and Ruegamer

Richburg also played every line position in college and in both a zone blocking scheme and a man on man scheme so his playing at guard isnt that big of a stretch.

heres a good article about him pre draft

http://espn.go.com/blog/denver-broncos/post/_/id/6 562/countdown-to-on-the-clock-weston-richburg

Last edited 8/6/2014 9:35 PM by chiller99

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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:33 PM

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Point taken chiller.   I admittedly don't dig real deep when it comes to college players so that is a good job by you informing me about that.    And if there is a position where a rookie can be tricky, it's at Center......the de facto QB of the OL.   Hopefully he can be productive at Guard.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:47 PM

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Whether he plays guard or not, I think that Richburg will learn a great deal from Walton and will represent excellent depth at center..
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Posted: 8/10/2014 3:39 AM

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GordonG wrote: Thanks Sage.  One question and one clarification.

1.  Any insight into Eli's grade given that he completed 6 of7 passes with 6 straight completions.  Is it a case of the the fumble being graded so bad it greatly influenced the rest of his performance.
2.  I am thinking that I read somewhere that a grade in the range of +1 to -1 is considered an average game.  Is that correct?

(1)  Exactly.  Manning was on the field for a limited number of snaps and had the fumble, which was a major negative that brought down his grade.  He completed some passes, but they were mostly dump offs, with no TD passes (if I'm remembering correctly).  And so Manning had the major negative play without any major positive plays.

(2) A 0 grade is average, as you move toward +1 the player contributed positively.  As you move toward -1 the player contributed negatively.  A zero grade suggests that the player didn't hurt or help his team very much; it may also suggest that the player's negative plays were canceled out by his positive plays.  For some players, though, a 0 grade is pretty good, a major accomplishment.  For example, If you can get your worst players to give you a 0 grade every game, that would be a good thing, because they aren't doing things to help you lose games.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 3:52 AM

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sooners56giants wrote: How in the world did Prince get a negative grade? SMH. If you watched the game Prince was tested and he proved he was ready by not allowing a catch. He covered Watkins with ease. He did whiff on a tackle at the line of scrimmage. Other than that Prince played well. The PFF ratings are ridiculous.

He was on the field for only 19 snaps and had one major negative play that I remember off the top of my head (maybe he had a few more but I remember one bonehead play in particular).  The QB threw a screen pass to Prince's man and Prince totally blew the tackle, the player ran for a pretty decent gain, probably a first down on a drive that led to a field goal.

Bonehead plays like that will give a guy a negative grade especially when he is on the field for only 19 snaps. 

On the subject of Prince, I heard on WFAN that the Giants are trying to develop his ball skills in camp this year.  He doesn't get any interceptions.  We shall see what happens, but I'm not sure if a team can turn a mediocre CB like Prince into a playmaker through emphasizing ball skills in camp.

I've looked into Prince's contract.  If the Giants release him prior to next season, they aren't responsible for the extra year of around 8 million.  The option year that the Giants picked up is not guaranteed money in other words.  I'm inclined to think that Prince and Walter Thurmond (signed to a one year contract) are competing against each other for an extension.  One of the two will be with the team next year, but not both.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:17 AM

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Was hoping for better blocking from the OL. Love Richburg pick yet wonder if a year in the NFL weight room and an extra 10-15lbs is needed. LT is still a mess. Tough to tell what this line will become but they better improve dramatically over the next month.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 5:43 PM

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2nd preseason game against Steelers

The passing game needs to show improvement going into the next game.

Brown (LT) was on the field for 28 snaps and earned a -2.3 in pass blocking but a very good 2.2 in run blocking.  Brewer had a big game at LT; 33 snaps 3.0 overall grade (with positive grades in both run and pass blocking).  Brewer just made the team.  Maybe LT is a good spot for him? Pugh played well, but center continues to be a problem in the running game: Walton 28 snaps -2.0 run blocking grade.  Richburg, 26 snaps -1.2 run blocking grade.  Run blocking has always been a weakness of Walton's and he has looked the part in the preseason so far.

Curtis Painter looked good (1.2 overall grade).  He has a chance to beat out Nassib.  Still, unless he really blows it, I would expect Nassib to win the backup QB competition.  

TE is a major area of concern and no one looked good.  It looks like the Giants need to trade for a starter.  Donnell was on the field for 27 snaps and earned a -1.3 overall grade.  He doesn't seem to be a strong run blocker and he doesn't bring enough speed or explosiveness to the passing game.  In other words, he really isn't a starter even though he might be the best TE on the Giants roster.  THIS IS A PROBLEM.

On defense, good games from Moore (1.2 overall), Kiwi (1.2 overall), Ayers (1.7), Hankins (1.0), and another big performance from Bromley (2.1) who is making a name for himself.  Not-so-good: JPP (-0.8) and the derelict Kuhn (-1.0).  Patterson didn't play.  I hope Coughlin doesn't bury Bromley on the bench this year, which he has a tendency to do with rookies. 

Strong run support from safety Cooper Taylor (40 snaps 2.1 overall grade) who will make the team based on what the grades are telling us.

McClain started at MLB (-1.1 overall grade).  He was terrible with the Ravens last year and this is why I'm surprised the Giants would start him at such an important position.  The Giants should consider moving Kennard or Paysinger to MLB while Beason is out.  Paysinger didn't start but had a strong game (35 snaps, 1.5 overall).  Herzlich continues to play well against the second and third teams.  While I'm not a big fan of Herzlich, I would start him at MLB over McClain since I'm pretty confident that the latter sucks.

Nothing very interesting to report at CB.  Hosley did a little better (-0.6 overall) but he will probably have to make a few plays to avoid getting cut.

Giants player of the game: James Brewer -- Oh baby I'm smelling a break out year for the big guy!
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Giants skunk of the game: J.D. Walton for poor run blocking.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 7:03 PM

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Great news about Brewer.  I am thinking he got that performance facing 2nd and 3rd stringers.  I would love seeing him against the starters next week.   Interestingly, he is a FA in 2015.  Beatty's CAP number goes over 8mm in 2015 and over 9mm in 2016 and 2017.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 8:57 PM

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How did our running backs grade out?
 Yes, Jennings had that one huge run, but before and after than he was mainly unnoticeable. Williams looked OK, same for Cox and Gaskins looked decent enough, albeit against guys who will only play football for another few weeks.

This kid Washington, looks like a winner. I would defiantly rather see him out there than MM or JJ, maybe even Randle.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:27 PM

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After 2  preseason games;

Williams is ranked 12th +1.0
Jennings is ranked 27th +0.1
Cox and Hillis are ranked 34th -0.1
Gaskins is ranked 50th -0.4
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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:05 AM

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Yeah, Brewer played against the second and third teams, and so he is kind of like Herzlich who does well when playing against the second and third teams but not so well against the starters......

I don't know if Brewer or Herzlich will ever make the leap to the next level....probably not, but stranger things have happened.

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