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The Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

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Posted: 8/4/2014 8:02 AM

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly... 


The Good:
Eli Manning, Andre Williams, Marcus Harris, Corey Washington, Ryan Nassib, Damontre Moore, Jonathan Hankins

The Bad:
JPP, Adrian Robinson, Peyton Hillis, Cooper Taylor, Mark Herzlich

The Ugly:

Jayron Hosely was abused all night.
John Connor was burned on the edge and chased several long runs to his side.

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Posted: 8/4/2014 8:22 AM

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I know it's early but our OL looked bad with the first team

I know Bills DL is good but oh boy.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 8:34 AM

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The OL was overmatched on the first couple of series (3 and out, Sack and FF).  After that, Williams and Jennings were able to get some lanes and Eli was getting time to throw the short passes.  I give a lot of credit to the Bill DL... they are going to be as good as the teams from the late 80's/early 90's.

One other thing that I want to add to the 'bad list' is the use of Curtis Painter in the 4th quarter.  Why bother putting him in there if he's going to throw one short TE pass and every other play goes to Michael Cox?  I know that the Giants are familar with him and know what they've got, but they wasted snaps.  The intent is to get as many plays as possible and it just seemed that McAdoo and Coughlin got the TD pass from Nassib -- and the lead only to run out the clock...

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Posted: 8/4/2014 9:08 AM

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JPP, despite his constant self-promotion, looked terrible. He had no push, no explosion, nothing. If he has even just a mediocre season I think the Giants might have to let him walk next offseason. He is going to command big money, even though he hasn't been good in three years. He keeps saying that he's unblockable and that no one can beat him, but he hasn't really done anything in a long long time. DE might be their #1 pick again next May.

Williams was tremendous but its one game and it came against the Bills 2nd team defense. The Bills starters overwhelmed the Giants offensive line physically and that is not good, though the Bills do have a great DL. I agree that the Bills are building a heckuva team, but I wouldn't compare them to the teams that went to four consecutive Super Bowls. Those teams were great and this team hasn't accomplished anything yet.

Good teams rely on their stars,
Great teams rely on each other.

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Posted: 8/4/2014 9:29 AM

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I respectfully disagree about only one of your selections.  I think Taylor did all right.

I'm not certain it was his error that allowed the long pass/run against the Giants, and he did finally tackle the dude.  He also made several tackles and showed alertness, and decent hands,  in catching that tipped ball in the end zone for an INT.

Given that he didn't play a down on defense last season, I think this defensive debut was Ok.  Clearly, not great, but not bad in my view.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 10:22 AM

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Taylor was responsible for the blocked punt. he barely laid a hand on the guy, basically going thru the motions. He did score some points on the INT, but that sort of found it's way into his hands. I'm not ready to give up on him.

The Bills also seemed to target Prince when they were playing for real. Is he going to be a weak link now that Cromartie is on the other side?

I can't say Eli looked good, but he did leave 6 for 7, but same old fumble stuff, just trying too hard. he will be fine and personally, I think he will flourish in this new offense. 70% completions.

Don't know why Hillis was included on the 'bad'. He looked pretty good to me, both running and catching. It's between Hillis and Cox, who sticks.

Moore looked like a monster. I expect big things from him this entire season. PLEASE stay healthy.

JPP against a rookie--UGH.

Overall, I was satisfied with this game. A long way to go before September and we are off to a decent start. .
There is no 'I' in team
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Posted: 8/4/2014 11:33 AM

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Peyton Hillis wasn't terrible and it is early in the pre-season.  I though his play was the weakest of the 3 RB's trying to make the roster (Williams, Jennings and Cox -- Gaskins is not going to make the cut).  He did a credible job running between the tackles, but was terrible when the play had him running outside.  I would like to think that the Giants will get some inside work from Hynoski or Connor during the season, so it's questionable whether he gets a roster spot as a one-dimensional RB.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 12:07 PM

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I went back and re-watched the first quarter of last nights game to focus on how the Giants starters played against the Bills starters. Overall I thought the starters did well with the following two notable exceptions.

One surprise I had was the play of prize free agent guard the Giants acquired Geoff Schwartz. Was he hurt prior to last nights game? He looked very slow off the ball, and was thrown around like a rag doll on several occasions. I'm hoping the G-Men didn't make a costly mistake in targeting him.

JPP - Wow! Too bad the Giants don't have a JV team, because that would be an appropriate position for him based on the way he played last night...
Bleeding Blue Since 62...
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Posted: 8/4/2014 1:10 PM

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Yeah, JPP was awful. Its a really hard choice for the coaching staff, but IF he is not able to produce much into the regular season then they have to consider benching him for Moore. Moore is way more explosive and energetic than both JPP and Kiwanuka put together. Sure he has flaws, but he's electric and needs to get on the field. I'd rather have him out there giving his all then JPP going through the motions.

Good teams rely on their stars,
Great teams rely on each other.

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Posted: 8/4/2014 1:19 PM

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Im confused why we have Cooper Taylor blocking in one of  the most important areas for pressure? Hope it was due to someone sitting out.May be something new usually see a t/e or someone who has experience blocking in that position.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 1:32 PM

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chiller99 wrote: Im confused why we have Cooper Taylor blocking in one of  the most important areas for pressure? Hope it was due to someone sitting out.May be something new usually see a t/e or someone who has experience blocking in that position.
Or perhaps it was trying out some new things...see what the kid can do...see if it makes sense.

It is preseason.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 2:43 PM

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The Good is that I got to watch football again!  I do love me some football.  I thought the game was rather well played by both teams considering the amount of practices these guys are allowed in the pre-season.  Usually when the third stringers get in, the offenses look ragged because those guys get so few practice snaps.  Considering it was only the first week of August, I thought the game was watchable throughout, some OL breakdowns (by both teams) notwithstanding.  

I loved the new O, especially the tempo and the use of the short passing game.  The post game comments suggest once more pass protection packages are installed, then we will see more of the down-field game. I thought Eli's short passes were good, with good footwork and rhythm (He has historically horribly awkward and innacurate in those dumps, screens and swings).  Jennings looked good in the passing game.

The OL was new to each other.  I expected that to take some time.  I hope Beatty gets back.  I didn't like to see him out of there (Migraines?).  

I came on here expecting fans to be excited by the running game.  We were moving the ball with the run, when was the last time we can say that?  Hyoski was back to being the Hynosaurus Rex.  Williams and Cox looked good.  Hillis is like Cszonka.  No explosion but a load.  He did miss a read and passed by an open inside cut to plow into the defense on one play.  

I think the defense has a chance to be quite good.  Damontre Moore could be a real gem.  He loves to play, you can see the passion.  We look pretty deep on the DL (and DBs).  This year's Ojomo is #72 (Adkins?).  Never heard of him but he dominated his third team counterparts.  

How many passes did we bat down?  3 or 4?  Jacquan Williams played Well, Kennard will hit.  Berhe can hit.  Copper Taylor will hit (Taylor looked to be confused when he allowed the blocked punt.  For some reason he was looking inside and let the outside man loose. Clearly, he thought he has some kind of inside assignment.  It was a bad mistake but it was a mental one)  .  Stevie Brown had a big hit in run support on the first drive.  Looks like this will be a physical defense.  

I thought Buffalo looked pretty good.  They have some weapons on O and their defensive front looked good to me.  Not sure about their back 7.  

The bad was the blocked punt (Cooper Taylor) and the injury to the TE.  I am worried about the TEs.  Robinson was playing with the scrubs! Hillis missed an inside hole.  Hankins overshot the hole, missed his assignment and allowed a big run, but overall he played really well.  He is much more mobile than I thought he would be.  There were multiple OL breakdowns but that always happens this early.  

The ugly was the waste of time that the NFL kick-off is.  They won't do away with it because it would cost the revenues from 3 minutes of commercials that they would lose by eliminating the kick-off.  Shameful.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 4:56 PM

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Enjoyed the last line there, Wasp !!! Sadly its 3 minutes of commercial time for each kick off.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 5:08 PM

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The Good
Andre Williams playing against the second string Bills defense

The Bad
The non stop interviews during the only 20 minutes the starters played.

The Ugly
The fact that we have a Good, Bad, Ugly for the first of five preseason games
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Posted: 8/4/2014 8:35 PM

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I'll add one more to the "bad."  The second or third unit D lost contain on the edge several times.  I would write that off if it wasn't something Fewell's defense has shown all too often when the games count.  When our DEs crash down there needs to be some rotation from the LBs or Ss to contain outside.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 9:08 PM

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The good: Jennings and Williams

The bad: Hosley was bad

The Ugly: no wait, Hosley played an ugly game. if last nights game determined cuts, he would be gone

ALL IN, ALL THE TIME!!

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Posted: 8/4/2014 9:09 PM

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If I may add another bad
Herzlich played a good part of the game and I never heard his name mentioned once. he seemed to be around the ball, but  he has always done that, basically arriving AFTER the play is done or stopped.

I just cannot see j=him making t his team this year, unless in juries help him.
There is no 'I' in team

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Posted: 8/4/2014 10:46 PM

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I'll throw the ultimate demise of David Wilson into the Ugly department.   It's always sad when a career ends before it ever really gets started.   That's always a risk for any football player.   


I generally liked the new offense.   I think we're def going through growing pains.   I was glad the first unit stayed out as long as it did.    I think it will be important for the first unit to get plenty of reps in the preseason.....even if it means we're at a slight risk for injuries.    But I'll take that as opposed to playing like crap in the first game.     


I really liked how Williams looked.   He looked like a real deal RB.   I kind of like our RB group.    I could see a role for all 4 RBs.   It was refreshing to see the RB swing passes and some different elements to the offense.    

The defense was a little concerning........but I think it's just kind of how our defense always plays under PF.   Bending.....not breaking.   JPP was not exactly impressive.    But he might not be going 100% at this time.   But I am certainly concerned with his play.   But.....we'll see how it shakes out.   


So......it was great having Giants football back!    Looking forward to the next experience!
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