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Is Mac's offense part if a grand design...

Posted: 8/2/2014 4:30 AM

Is Mac's offense part if a grand design... 


..,to help the defense prepare for Chip Kellys' offense?
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Posted: 8/2/2014 9:21 AM

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..,to help the defense prepare for Chip Kellys' offense?

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Man Grizz, interesting thought here. Very well could help the defense be more prepared for the eagles offense

ALL IN, ALL THE TIME!!

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Posted: 8/2/2014 9:39 AM

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Grizz299 wrote: ..,to help the defense prepare for Chip Kellys' offense?
I find it hard to believe you hire an O coordinator just to prepare to meet a team that has never won a Super Bowl. I agree with the general consensus here that the Giants wanted a new O coordinator that would also be Coughlin's replacement when TC calls it a career. I do agree completely it can't hurt to force the defense to work quicker, no matter who is on the schedule. More reps - less rest,  will help with conditioning and familiarity with the defensive play calling. Especially since the latter seems to have been an issue over the last couple of years.
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Posted: 8/2/2014 9:45 AM

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Well ok dweez,
. Let me rephrase: COULD AN ATTENDANT BENEFIT TO MAC'S OFFENSE be an acclimation of the defense to Chip Kelly's rapid fire offense.

Will facing Macs offense help the defense against the eagles? Referencing btw the defenses that Landry had to fashion as a result of practicing against Lombardi's innovative offense.

Last edited 8/2/2014 12:40 PM by GordonG

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Posted: 8/2/2014 12:52 PM

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I do not think it is part of a grand design nor do I think a particular offense will make a defense better against a specific team.  In terms of Landry and Lombardi, it was what I call a competitive collaboration that facilitated their strategic thinking.  I believe that element will be very much present between Mac and Fewell.

According to the book "Lombardi and Landry",  they worked together very well in spite of not liking one  This is a great book not only from a Giants history perspective but also provides great insight into the beginning of the modern game of football.
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Posted: 8/2/2014 1:26 PM

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dweez115 wrote:
Grizz299 wrote: ..,to help the defense prepare for Chip Kellys' offense?
I find it hard to believe you hire an O coordinator just to prepare to meet a team that has never won a Super Bowl. I agree with the general consensus here that the Giants wanted a new O coordinator that would also be Coughlin's replacement when TC calls it a career. I do agree completely it can't hurt to force the defense to work quicker, no matter who is on the schedule. More reps - less rest,  will help with conditioning and familiarity with the defensive play calling. Especially since the latter seems to have been an issue over the last couple of years.
I'm telling you guys..........Fewell will be our next Head Coach before McAdoo.    I think that is the most overblown part of the MacAdoo hiring.    


I think the Giants knew they needed to adjust their offensive approach grizz.    I think Gilbride's offensive style could still be functional in the future......it would just need to get tweaked.   But......for the future.....the Giants knew they had to make a change in their approach.   McAdoo seems to have a solid pedigree and came highly recommended.    I'm stoked to see our first preseason game!
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Posted: 8/2/2014 4:23 PM

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Gordon,
. The film Amadaus was really about Appollo the god of order .., Solieri and Dionysis the god of wine (Mozart).
Contrast makes literature. Lombardi, short, stubble, ethnic, plebian. Landry..tall, elegant, waspy, patricidal. A war hero,pilot, b17, suicidial flights before the P51.
. And then these geniuses split and then they meet and Lombardi wins twice on the final play. It's serious stuff, a great story, never been done right.
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Posted: 8/2/2014 6:01 PM

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Grizz299 wrote: Well ok dweez,
. Let me rephrase: COULD AN ATTENDANT BENEFIT TO MAC'S OFFENSE be an acclimation of the defense to Chip Kelly's rapid fire offense.


Ahh! Took you too literally. My apologies.

In that case, well, it can't hurt! I actually think the Eagles will be do much more "dink and dunk" this year  because 1) DeSean is gone 2) Getting McCoy in the open field with a head of steam could be a very, very scary thing - especially for us Giants fans. We don't have a LB that can catch McCoy and I'm not sure how many of our DBs can solo tackle him. Remember how Westbrook made Pierce look awful? I think we may see a repeat of that.
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Posted: 8/2/2014 6:03 PM

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JeffHostetlerFan wrote:
 
I'm telling you guys..........Fewell will be our next Head Coach before McAdoo.   
Please, no. Just what we needed, "communication issues" on both sides of the ball.
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Posted: 8/2/2014 6:06 PM

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I think that the uptempo offense that the defense will see in practice everyday will only help when they face uptempo offenses around the league. There is none like the Eagles fast break offense though. 

I think that an  athletic DL, which we have accompanied with a strong secondary will help against a team like the Eagles.  The Giants are more athletic in the secondary than they have been in a while.
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Posted: 8/2/2014 9:39 PM

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uh !. what ? and No.

we did not hire an offensive coordinator in order to have our defense more prepared when we play the eagles.
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Posted: 8/2/2014 9:51 PM

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The thread was inspired by a headline featuring Rolle and the adjustments they had to make to keep up with Macs no huddle and hurry up.
I think it will prove to be a huge tangential "help". And ,Deez, old boy,"part of a grand design" was inappropriate, my bad, not yours.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 9:43 AM

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dweez115 wrote:
JeffHostetlerFan wrote:
 
I'm telling you guys..........Fewell will be our next Head Coach before McAdoo.   
Please, no. Just what we needed, "communication issues" on both sides of the ball.

I just have this hunch dweez.   He's got more years in as a coach.   Was an interim coach briefly.    The players do like him a lot.      Perhaps somebody else will get the ultimate nod......but I just can't see McAdoo get the first look at HC and having only 2-3 years as a Coordinator under his belt.    I realize there are a handful of guys out there that have made that adjustment to coach quickly without having OC or DC experience.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 12:08 PM

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Grizz299 wrote: Gordon,
. The film Amadaus was really about Appollo the god of order .., Solieri and Dionysis the god of wine (Mozart).
Contrast makes literature. Lombardi, short, stubble, ethnic, plebian. Landry..tall, elegant, waspy, patricidal. A war hero,pilot, b17, suicidial flights before the P51.
. And then these geniuses split and then they meet and Lombardi wins twice on the final play. It's serious stuff, a great story, never been done right.

Grizz, you're very funny!
I like your style :)

Last edited 8/3/2014 12:08 PM by Giantjohnny2

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Posted: 8/3/2014 12:10 PM

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The Giants didn't exactly "struggle" against the Eagles last year.  In fact, the second time they saw their offense, Fewell and company held them to 200 total yards of offense.  

I think the Chip Kelly offense is over-blown.  

As for the next head coach, good coordinators don't necessarily make good head coaches (and vice versa).  I'm not a big Fewell fan, but I do remember the Bill's players really liking him when he was their interim coach.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 3:59 AM

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I believe, that like The Rooney family (also Irish, third generation and part of the orig. NFL) that - all things being equal- The Giants would like to have a black head coach.
You could also include The Halas family.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 11:22 AM

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The thing that worries me is how offenses evolve, so do defenses. Chip Kelly took the NFL by storm, but give the DC's a year or so to figure it out and their defenses will be prime to stop it. We see this all the time. I understand the Giants aren't using a Kelly model offense and the WC has been  around for quite a while, but are we playing into more DC's schemes, designed to stop this quick pace offense?. 
 The Wildcat took the NFL by storm for a while, and now it is basically dead, the 'new' read option is about done with as teams have defensed against it, so to will Chip Kelly's offense.

If Mac can develop a new wrinkle in the WC we should few set for a few years.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 11:48 AM

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Any offense can be adjusted to.    It's just a matter of can the OC's tweak their system mid-stream at all and can your primary playmakers remain healthy.    I frankly was disappointed that KG didn't try and incorporate more of the old school run and shoot tactics he had back in the day or use more 2 TE sets.    I thought we could have been more successful with those approaches.   Although last year's OL was just bad......so I'm not sure that anything would have worked.   


I would be surprised if there were not shots taken downfield with some regularity in this offense.    I think in the former system we relied a little on the run to force the D into coming upfield a little bit.    It looks like we will be using a variety of underneath passes and runs which might set up some opportunities downfield.    


I feel good about our offensive direction.........hopefully we can continue developing it.
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