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The 300 = as in touches by rashad jennings

Posted: 7/31/2014 10:46 PM

The 300 = as in touches by rashad jennings 


thats right, meet our new #1 RB who doesnt have a capable backup.

I wrote about wilsons injury and gave my eulogy of his career. (sorry its true)

so the FA pickup is now not just our #1, but our #1 RB without a backup.

he will be , barring injuries, a 300 touch RB this year.

now if all goes well, thats going to be 1600+ all purpose yards out of the backfield from him.

the question is, can he hold up because there is no viable backup RB on this roster.

there are 3 fullbacks (who carries even one anymore) and slow footed hillis and a rookie at RB.

aside from the questions of this offense which are....
1- the OL,
2-and if Eli will pass for 70% (yeah right !!!) Im at 65% at best.
3-and a supposedly a quick hit offense thats predicated on TE production but we're gonna do it without  a quality TE (hoping someone has a breakout year obviously)  thats how this offense ran in GB.
4-and questions at the #2 and 3 WR's because randle stil a question mark and beckham w/ hamstring)
now the RB position is in real flux. (it was before, but I think the thought was david wilson was going to be good for 125-150 touches this year and that now goes away with no one on this roster who can pick that up.

this now almost becomes the same nightmare scenario as last year except last year we didnt have a #1 RB, this year we do (jennings) who is a total unknown and we dont have anyone else.

in conclusion, I dont have faith in any RB other than jennings (Im giving him the benefit of the doubt) .

Michael cox
andre williams
3 yard hillis

and hillis was working with the first team now...oy vey.

wilson was gonna be a nice change of pace from jennings, so hillis will be too, just slower...LOL. and in reality thats not good.

im counting on Cox, its our best hope (Obi wan )

as for fullbacks , conner / hynoski / theres no production of any note there. one play a year (maybe)

so with all this uncertainty, just hope someone has a breakout year at RB and No More Injuries.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 11:19 PM

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I think you are correct about the 300 touches.  That is less than 20 touches a game.  I do not see a problem with a RB having the durability for 300 touches.  As far as a back up goes, I think that Hillis can fill the role of a #2 RB.  His early career strongly suggests he can step into the #1 spot.  I feel the Cox and Williams offer good competition for the #2 and #3 spots. Gaskins might be a surprise.  On top of that, there is always the possibility of picking up a RB that ends up being cut late in the preseason.  

BTW, in his last 5 seasons, Barber had 327, 357, 322, 278 and 302 rushing attempts.  On top of that he averaged 59 receptions each season.  Jennings only has 387 rushing attempts and 97 receptions in his 4 year NFL career.  He averaged 4.5 ypc in 2013 on 163 attempts.  

As far as Wilson goes, I do not think the Giants were counting on him.  If by some miracle he plays this season, I expect him to be used as a KR and 3rd down specialist.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 12:19 AM

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Oh ye prophets of doom...you guys act as if this is pre-free agency. At this time in the first Superbowl run people were thinking that Jacobs was too slow to play guard and Ward had been cut by The Hamilton Wildcats.
Not many teams could lose a player like Wilson and be as strong as us.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 2:38 AM

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Ok, the 70% thing is ridiculous - and much like the infamous Super Bowl countdown calendar - sophomoric. Shows a startling lack of thought. I agree the OL is a HUGE question mark and I have my doubts whether Eli will even have the time to complete 55% of his passes. TE is not as critical as some claim. GB managed to make the offense work when Finley wasn't there. As for the WRs, there's Cruz and lots of question marks. So, in some ways, we are on the same page. But RB, I have to disagree. This is, supposedly, a much quicker, simpler, quick release offense. So, the days when the Giants needed to have the RB memorize countless, complex pass protection schemes and be ready for a blitz with one second left on the clock to snap the ball is over. Gilbride is gone.I see NO reason why a rookie RB - if he is willing to work - can't play a major role in this offense. None. They will get to the line of scrimmage with time to spare, so Eli can correct him if he's in the wrong spot. And since he only has to hold his block for a second or two, a LOT of the pass protection pressure that Gilbride's offense put on the shoulders of the RBs is gone. As for Hillis, I think you significantly under value his ability to contribute to the team. Let's remember the guy was sitting on his couch when the call came. He was, by his own admission, not in playing shape. Everyone, from the press to the coaches, are saying he has come back ripped. The guy gave us 73 carries in 7 games while trying to play himself back into shape. He comes to camp happy, knowing he has a second chance, and in fantastic shape. I see no reason why Hillis can't give the Giants the 125-150 touches you had penciled Wilson in for. Are NFC D coordinators staying up at night worrying how to stop our RB from having a 2,000 yd season? Nope. But I think Jennings, Hillis, and Williams can get the job done. I also see no reason why the Giants cannot add a FA if they need to. RBs are just not as much in demand as they were. It is a passing League now. Unless you're AP or McCoy, RBs can't wait for another team to call with a better offer anymore. And a whole bunch of RBs will be unemployed in a few weeks. I see a lot of holes and potential holes on this team. RB is not a position I am overly worried about. I think the Giants will be okay with what they have, if the O line can come together and be, at least, average. Because if we have a replay of last year's O line play, well, it doesn't matter who our RB is. They aren't going anywhere, anyway.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 6:15 AM

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Hillis is also a great pass blocker ,good receiver and gets the tough yards,somethings Wilson never had the chance to prove.He also plays hurt and TC has called him Csonka like.I think you are going to see the dink and dunk to the hb become a staple in this new offense replacing the dreaded Gilbride delayed draw,,I think as dweez points out the team didnt expect much out of Wilson and brought in Williams for that very reason.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:32 AM

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Aren't the Giants also high on Gaskins?  I thought I read a few articles about how impressive he has been this camp.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:27 AM

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56801BackAgain wrote: thats right, meet our new #1 RB who doesnt have a capable backup.

I wrote about wilsons injury and gave my eulogy of his career. (sorry its true)

so the FA pickup is now not just our #1, but our #1 RB without a backup.

he will be , barring injuries, a 300 touch RB this year.

now if all goes well, thats going to be 1600+ all purpose yards out of the backfield from him.

the question is, can he hold up because there is no viable backup RB on this roster.

there are 3 fullbacks (who carries even one anymore) and slow footed hillis and a rookie at RB.

aside from the questions of this offense which are....
1- the OL,
2-and if Eli will pass for 70% (yeah right !!!) Im at 65% at best.
3-and a supposedly a quick hit offense thats predicated on TE production but we're gonna do it without  a quality TE (hoping someone has a breakout year obviously)  thats how this offense ran in GB.
4-and questions at the #2 and 3 WR's because randle stil a question mark and beckham w/ hamstring)
now the RB position is in real flux. (it was before, but I think the thought was david wilson was going to be good for 125-150 touches this year and that now goes away with no one on this roster who can pick that up.

this now almost becomes the same nightmare scenario as last year except last year we didnt have a #1 RB, this year we do (jennings) who is a total unknown and we dont have anyone else.

in conclusion, I dont have faith in any RB other than jennings (Im giving him the benefit of the doubt) .

Michael cox
andre williams
3 yard hillis

and hillis was working with the first team now...oy vey.

wilson was gonna be a nice change of pace from jennings, so hillis will be too, just slower...LOL. and in reality thats not good.

im counting on Cox, its our best hope (Obi wan )

as for fullbacks , conner / hynoski / theres no production of any note there. one play a year (maybe)

so with all this uncertainty, just hope someone has a breakout year at RB and No More Injuries.

I on the other hand feel very good about our RB situation. Jennings has shown he is a solid back. I doubt he will get 300 touches.  The team only had 380 attempts last year in total.  That pace will pick up in the new offense.  They only had 45 non-punt/FG attempt offense plays per game last year.  I'd like to see that up to 50, meaning about 22-24 carries per game on average in the new pass based attack, with Eli running from time to time when the play goes bad.   I see Jennigns 12-13 or so carries per game at the start, with Hillis as his primary relief getting another 8-10 carries.   When they need a spell, I think Cox will come in.  I think Williams will get the short yardage after a few games.  I like this group. I liked it better with Wilson, but I still like it.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:41 AM

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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:45 AM

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Dweez, good post!

I think the RB situation will be OK, also!

It's funny last night I was thinking about 'Superbowl Countdown Clock' and I also think it was 'bush'.
I tried to figure out who originated it and as the best I could 'figure' it had to be John Mara.

And it got me thinking, the Giant ownership seems to always 'escape' criticism!
That 'clock' had consequences. Baas & Snee and failure to 'remove' Nicks from the equation were
part of consequences. I don't think this was a Reese move.

Started walking down memory lane and thought about Wellington Mara. A nice man, but a not so good
football guy. I think you could have blind folded taken almost any of the posters on this forum and they would
have been a better 'football manager'.

Too bad about Wilson, but he was going to be a 'rotation' guy at best & I don't think that anyone really thought he was
going to be a factor this year.

I also feel Hillis with a decent line and Williams are going to get the job done. This is going to be a passing team!
My big concern is Eli. He gets a pass for last year. OL was the problem. But if the OL lives up to realistic
anticipation and Eli doesn't perform, then we're in trouble.

Last edited 8/1/2014 11:46 AM by Giantjohnny2

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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:36 PM

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Chiller,
I'm sure that you know this but worth repeating...TC was the blocking back for big Czonk and Floyd Little. They say that TC used to complain that he didn't get more carries.
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Posted: 8/2/2014 4:06 PM

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Thanks Grizz did not know that
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Posted: 8/4/2014 8:34 PM

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Andre Williams will be the no. 1 back by game 8...remember where you heard it!
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Posted: 8/4/2014 9:46 PM

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After yesterday's game, I am thinking there will not be a true #1 RB.  I expect Williams and Jennings to end up with a fairly equal amount of touches. Something comparable to 2011 when Bradshaw had 171 attempts and Jacobs had 152 attempts.  Where I think Jennings will be much more active is in the receiving area compared to Bradshaw who only had 34 receptions.  Williams has to prove he can catch the ball consistently.  He did not have any receptions yesterday.  Williams, Hillis and Jennings each had 7 attempts.  Williams had an impressive 48 yards.  Hillis had 36 yards and Jennings had 23 yards.  It will be interesting to note the distribution of carries and how effective each RB is in the upcoming preseason games.
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