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neck stinger for david wilson

Posted: 7/29/2014 5:06 PM

neck stinger for david wilson 


i just heard it on radio in car.

what to do, what to do.

this is the ultimate in slippery slope.

for Wilson i wish the best , thanks for the Saints game highlights 2 years ago and I hope you have an insurance policy and have a nice life.

as for the NYG. this is the year where we are "burning the boats" as we storm the shore as per TC with no turning back and only leaving with our opponents boats , blah blah blah....., with that in mind this roster spot and backup RB job is to important to linger with Wilson. i say cut our losses, he shouldve never been a #1 and lets move on. IR or retire wilson, sorry and thanks.

this is business and fandom and life.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 6:11 PM

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Hopefully, Wilson is OK. 

But with his neck injury history, I do not think the Giants should rely on Wilson this year or at all anymore.  

It is too much of a risk to put Wilson on the field.  I'm not a doctor, but he just had neck surgery and he ran into a lineman and got a "burner".  

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Posted: 7/29/2014 7:28 PM

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Burners are typically either grade 1 or 2 peripheral nerve injuries. A grade 1 injury is neurapraxia, which is a disruption of nerve function involving demyelinization.8,9 Axonal integrity is preserved, and remyelinization occurs within three weeks. A grade 2 injury is axonotmesis, which entails actual axonal damage and Wallerian degeneration.9 A grade 3 injury is neurotmesis, which is permanent nerve damage. Fortunately, grade 3 injuries are rare in sports and are not characteristic of burners.8,9
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Posted: 7/29/2014 8:26 PM

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Prognosis

Burners recur frequently. One study of college football players found that 87 percent had a recurrence.1 Another study found that of 36 athletes with neck injuries causing time loss from sports participation (most symptoms were consistent with burners), 15 (42 percent) experienced subsequent neck injuries.29

The risk of permanent nerve injury from recurrent burners has not been determined. In light of the high incidence of burners, this risk appears to be low. However, burners can clearly lead to a chronic syndrome that limits athletic participation.7

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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:43 PM

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GordonG wrote:

However, burners can clearly lead to a chronic syndrome that limits athletic participation.7


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Which makes me wonder how it could impact an athlete with spinal stenosis. Said before and will say it again, I wish the young man nothing but perfect health. I sincerely hope nothing happens to him. But I can't help but feel this is going to end badly for Wilson.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:48 PM

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didn't take long eh?
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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:19 PM

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I think I am in the majority when I say he should retire.  His contract guarantees him 5.3 mil including a 3.3 mil signing bonus.  I strongly suspect that if I was an owner of the Giants I would pay him the full value of his of 6.6mm 4 year contract.  

From a pure football operations point of view, I would be strongly consider cutting him rather than tie up a roster spot.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 7:49 AM

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I am in the camp that was horrified when the Giants made him our top pick.  All I could think of is, " Rocky Thompson."

Now, I am more certain than ever that, like Rocky, he will never contribute in a positive, meaningful way to the Giants.

For his own sake, and to minimize diversions to the team, he should take his money and retire.

Wasting a number one draft pick often takes years to recover from.  Reese should carry this scar forever.  Unfortunately, he may have wasted another in our non-practicing, track star from LSU.

I don't think a team can get lucky enough ( lower in the draft;  signing street FA's, etc ) to overcome 2 such blatant failures in a period of three years.  

To do so, we need about 3 more " Victor Cruz " type signings, at different positions.  See any?
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Posted: 7/30/2014 8:23 AM

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Alphonso3 wrote: I am in the camp that was horrified when the Giants made him our top pick.  All I could think of is, " Rocky Thompson."

Now, I am more certain than ever that, like Rocky, he will never contribute in a positive, meaningful way to the Giants.

For his own sake, and to minimize diversions to the team, he should take his money and retire.

Wasting a number one draft pick often takes years to recover from.  Reese should carry this scar forever.  Unfortunately, he may have wasted another in our non-practicing, track star from LSU.

I don't think a team can get lucky enough ( lower in the draft;  signing street FA's, etc ) to overcome 2 such blatant failures in a period of three years.  

To do so, we need about 3 more " Victor Cruz " type signings, at different positions.  See any?
Really, you think its even remotely reasonable to compare Rocky thompson to David Wilson. 

Rocky Thompson was barely a college football player. He was a Carribean track star who happened to play football.  He was a fast receiver who blew away overmatched back at a comunity college and at a D-2 school.  He was a world class runner, briefly holding the English record for the 100m. He ran a 10.1 100m, which put him up in the Usain Bolt class of his generation.  He was not just fast, he was in teh runnign for the fastest man on the planet and is probably still the fastest man to ever play in the NFL until this year when former Duck D'Anthony Thomas plays (he has run a sub 10.0 100m).
the problem, he was never a football player. In the NFL against real Dbacks, his lack of route running and receiving skills made him a joke. The Giants converted him to a full time RB, but he could not read or play inside the tackles.  He just sucked at football. He was not a bad returner, but that is hardly a 1st round draft pick. This is possibly the worst 1st round pick of all time and is always in teh discussion for worst pick ever by any team.  LEts not even laugh by trying to compare the David Wilson pick to Rocky Thompson. 

Davis Wilson is and was a GREAT football player, but he sadly will probably never overcome neck injuries to show those skills, like he did a few times, in the NFL. 

Wilson was a 4 star high school athlete who went to football power GW High School.  His high school sheet was that he was the smartest RB coming out of HS and was ranked the 4th best RB prospect in the country and the best overall athlete in Virginia.  He chose VT and played very well from his first practice.  As a true freshman, he was not red-shirted and instead played in every game of his first season, takign carries away from Ryan Williams and Darren Evans, who both went to the NFL.  In his second year he again backed them up, but still got 600+ yards and 5 scores.  His third year he was the starter and only won teh ACC olayer of the year.  He had 1700 yard and was considered by every draft board to be the 2nd or 3rd best RB on the board.  Most thought he was a low round 2 guy, but some thought he was a late round 1 guy.  This was hardly a bust pick. 

IMO, we needed a OT more and I wanted us to pick Mitch Schwartz or Jonathon Martin, but Martin did not really pan out either, so that would have been a wasted pick. 

But if he never plays again because he is injured, its not a bust. Its a sad development, but it won't be a scar Reese should carry forever.  It will be another sad NFL injury story for a gifted young man who sadly got hurt.  I hope he can still play and its a minor injury, but if its not, it will never be a bust pick. An injury does not make a bust.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 8:41 AM

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Childish post. First of all are you saying Reese should have guess Wilson would have a neck injury? Second, we need 3 Victor Cruz type players to overcome two bad #1 picks? Seriously? And now you don't like RR either? He's a "blatant failure"??

Are you in 4th grade?
Alphonso3 wrote: I am in the camp that was horrified when the Giants made him our top pick.  All I could think of is, " Rocky Thompson."

Now, I am more certain than ever that, like Rocky, he will never contribute in a positive, meaningful way to the Giants.

For his own sake, and to minimize diversions to the team, he should take his money and retire.

Wasting a number one draft pick often takes years to recover from.  Reese should carry this scar forever.  Unfortunately, he may have wasted another in our non-practicing, track star from LSU.

I don't think a team can get lucky enough ( lower in the draft;  signing street FA's, etc ) to overcome 2 such blatant failures in a period of three years.  

To do so, we need about 3 more " Victor Cruz " type signings, at different positions.  See any?

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Posted: 7/30/2014 10:29 AM

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He is supposed to be thoroughly tested again next week.  With his neck problems, I wouldn't be that surprised if he retires after getting the results.  For his sake, I hope he does.  It is a sad ending but as Gordon mentioned, he did sign for a few million and that should help his transition away from playing football.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 10:58 AM

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I hope he's ok. Either way it's a tough call for Wilson. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. I'm sure the money will help, but to suddenly end something that has taken so long to achieve is brutal.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 11:11 AM

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Tupperlake wrote: He is supposed to be thoroughly tested again next week.  With his neck problems, I wouldn't be that surprised if he retires after getting the results.  For his sake, I hope he does.  It is a sad ending but as Gordon mentioned, he did sign for a few million and that should help his transition away from playing football.
Agreed.  I really do not care about whether or not he can help the Giants.  He needs to think about the rest of his life, and realize that the risk is just not worth it.  He is 23!  So much of life is ahead of him. 

Bets of luck to DW in making an informed decision.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 11:16 AM

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Fox1308 wrote:
Tupperlake wrote: He is supposed to be thoroughly tested again next week.  With his neck problems, I wouldn't be that surprised if he retires after getting the results.  For his sake, I hope he does.  It is a sad ending but as Gordon mentioned, he did sign for a few million and that should help his transition away from playing football.
Agreed.  I really do not care about whether or not he can help the Giants.  He needs to think about the rest of his life, and realize that the risk is just not worth it.  He is 23!  So much of life is ahead of him. 

Bets of luck to DW in making an informed decision.

Well said. At the end of the day, health is all you have.  I hope he does what is best for him and his family.  Neck injuries are scary.  I still hope it is nothing serious and he can play, but your thoughts are on the money.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 12:14 PM

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Here is another write up on Wilsons type injury,when you really think about how this injury re occurs it may help explain his problems with fumbling as the nerve are felt in neck through shoulder and down to arm and hand but thats just speculation on my part


Overview

A “stinger” or “burner” is actually an injury to a group of nerves known as the brachial plexus that include the nerve roots extending from spinal vertebrae C5 and continuing through T1. These nerve roots originate from the spinal cord and branch out from the spinal cord at the levels of the various vertebrae (i.e., C5 is at the level of the 5th cervical vertebrae).

The individual nerve roots from C5 through T1 converge to form the brachial plexus as they move from the neck into the shoulder. Although they converge into a tight bundle above the shoulder, they diverge into separate nerve branches as they travel down the arm.

Each individual nerve root is responsible to innervate different muscles of the shoulder, arm, forearm, and hand and innervate different dermatome (skin surface areas) patterns. Injuries to individual nerve roots will result in associated deficits to the muscles and/or dermatome patterns that they innervate. However, injury to the brachial plexus may result in symptoms that affect the entire arm rather than just one portion.

The goal during the immediate assessment of the athlete with a suspected brachial plexus injury is to determine if the athlete has a spinal cord injury or a brachial plexus stinger. The primary difference is that a spinal cord injury will affect both the right and left side of the athlete equally whereas a brachial plexus stinger affects only one side of the body. If there is any doubt about the specific injury, the athlete should be immediately stabilized on the field and emergency medical services called.

- See more at: http://www.sportsmd.com/Articles/id/51/n/brachial_ plexus_conditions_commonly_known_as_stingers_or_bu rners.aspx#sthash.lKTj3yd4.dpuf
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Posted: 7/30/2014 12:27 PM

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RB David Wilson suffered a burner during Tuesday's practice.

UPDATE (7/30 - 10 AM ET)
David Wilson will not practice for the remainder of this week and will not play Sunday night, when the Giants play their preseason opener against the Buffalo Bills in the Hall of Fame Game in Canton, Ohio. The Giants running back, who suffered a burner in practice yesterday, will be examined and evaluated on Monday by Dr. Frank Cammisa at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan.

Wilson underwent a battery of tests last night at HSS, where he was taken after practice. The Giants’ 2012 first-round draft choice was injured when he caught a shovel pass from Curtis Painter, turned upfield with his head down and ran into the back of guard Eric Herman.

On Jan. 16, Cammisa performed a fusion of the vertebrae to repair a herniated disc in Wilson’s neck. Wilson was injured last Oct. 6 vs. Philadelphia and missed the final 11 games of the 2013 season.

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Posted: 7/30/2014 12:32 PM

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I don't have a strong opinion on whether David Wilson retires or continues to play. My expectation is that the Giants Front Office and Medical Staff will place strong consideration on DW's quality of life and risk in their evaluation and all parties will make an informed decision. I strongly expect that the Giants will do the right thing here in either direction and ensure that David is well compensated should that be his last football play.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 1:00 PM

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I'd like them to bring in another back with a similar skill set (small, fast, good hands). They need that type of a 3rd down back on this roster. The bigger guys can pound out the yards on first and second downs, but a shifty, speedy back is needed for 3rd down.

Good teams rely on their stars,
Great teams rely on each other.

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Posted: 7/30/2014 5:24 PM

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Sadly........I never really had lofty expectations for Wilson once the neck surgery procedure occurred.    I mean......I don't begrudge him giving it his all to try and make the roster and the team......but I I don't think it's a good thing for him to tempt fate too often.   


I really didn't envision Wilson as much more than an occasional KR and occasional HB for this team.   I don't really get the impression the Giants brass had lofty expectations, even thought they would talk him up at times.    


Too bad.   He did have some elite tools.......but he was far from a complete back coming out of school.    He didn't really fit the prior O system that well, either, IMO.   Swing and a miss on that pick, unfortunately.    Thankfully......these aren't the days pre 2010 when 1st round picks would eat a lot of your cap and ruin things for years.    You can re-tool and recover from that quicker than usual.    Plus......he was the 31st pick......not quite as bad as a top 10 guy that busts.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 9:29 PM

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The first time they put on pads and had real contact, he gets knocked out!

that's akin to a race starting and the pole sitter crashing out as he crosses the starting line..

Maybe one of conner/hynoski stays, with screens (yes those nasty nasty passes we have all come to hate) to Hillis/Hynoski/Conner? just thinkin of what they already got and who might get the ball to on throwing situations. Jennings and Williams are the workhorses this year it seems... Cox is unknown, but could be valuable later in the season as attrition happens.
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