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Giants release "Unofficial" depth chart

Posted: 7/24/2014 2:46 PM

Giants release "Unofficial" depth chart 


I am thinking that any updates will be telling in terms of position competitions.  It will be interesting if they release any updates after the preseason games. 

OFFENSE
QUARTERBACK:
Eli Manning, Ryan Nassib, Curtis Painter

RUNNING BACK:
Rashad Jennings, David Wilson, Peyton Hillis, Andre Williams, Kendall Gaskins, Michael Cox

FULLBACK:
Henry Hynoski, John Conner

RECEIVER 1:
Rueben Randle, Odell Beckham Jr, Mario Manningham, Trindon Holliday, Marcus Harris, Travis Harvey

RECEIVER: 2
Victor Cruz, Jerrel Jernigan, Preston Parker, Corey Washington

TIGHT END:
Larry Donnell, Daniel Fells, Xavier Grimble, Kellen Davis, Adrien Robinson

LEFT TACKLE:
William Beatty, Charles Brown, James Brewer, Roger Gaines

LEFT GUARD:
Geoff Schwartz, Dallas Reynolds, Jamaal Johnson-Webb

CENTER:
J.D. Walton, Weston Richburg, Eric Herman

RIGHT GUARD:
Brandon Mosley, John Jerry, John Sullen

RIGHT TACKLE:
Justin Pugh, Troy Kropog, DeMarcus Love

 

DEFENSE:
Left DEFENSIVE END:
Mathias Kiwanuka, Robert Ayers Jr., Kerry Wynn, Jordan Stanton

LEFT DEFENSIVE TACKLE:
Cullen Jenkins, Johnathan Hankins, Jay Bromley

RIGHT DEFENSIVE TACKLE:
Mike Patterson, Marcus Kuhn, Kelcy Quarles, Everett Dawkins

RIGHT DEFENSIVE END:
Jason Pierre-Paul, Damontre Moore, Kendrick Adams, Emmanuel Dieke

STRONG OUTSIDE LINEBACKER:
Devon Kennard, Dan Fox, Spencer Adkins

MIDDLE LINEBACKER:
Jameel McClain, Mark Herzlich, Terrell Manning, John Beason (PUP)

WEAK OUTSIDE LINEBACKER:
Jacquian Williams, Spencer Paysinger, Justin Anderson

LEFT CORNERBACK:
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Trumaine McBride, Zack Bowman, Travis Howard

STRONG SAFETY:
Antrel Rolle, Cooper Taylor, Nat Berhe, C.J. Barnett

FREE SAFETY:
Stevie Brown, Quintin Demps, Thomas Gordon, Kyle Sebetic

RIGHT CORNERBACK:
Prince Amukamara, Walter Thurmond III, Jayron Hosley, Charles James II, Bennett Jackson

 

SPECIAL TEAMS:
PUNTER:
Steve Weatherford

HOLDER:
Steve Weatherford

KICKER:
Josh Brown, Brandon McManus

LONG SNAPPER:
Zak DeOssie

KICK RETURNER:
Quintin Demps, Trindon Holliday, David Wilson, PReston Parker, Jerrel Jernigan

PUNT RETURNER:
Trindon Holliday, Rueben Randle, Jerrel Jernigan, Preston Parker, David Wilson

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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:14 PM

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Some Observations

Robinson dead last in TE depth. May just be a message to him.  Regardless, not a good sign.
Donnell starting TE.
Kennard starting SAM.  Obviously McClain jumps back to SAM.  Still good news about Kennard.
Interesting that both Williams and Paysinger are listed at WLB.  
Rolle listed as a strong safety.  It will be interesting to see if Rolle and Brown exchange places depending on down and distance.  
Mike Patterson listed as starting RDT.  Given the way that the Giants move players around on the DL, I am not sure that being listed as the starting RDT means anything more than he is very likely to make the team.
It seems to me are likely to carry 5 DTs.  Kuhn. Bromley and Quarles seem to be in a battle for the 5th DT spot.  
Giants depth chart missing Talley and Weaver.  Not a good sign for them.

Other than the #1s, this depth chart probably should be taken with a large grain of salt.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:58 PM

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GordonG wrote: Some Observations


It seems to me are likely to carry 5 DTs.  Kuhn. Bromley and Quarles seem to be in a battle for the 5th DT spot.  

Who are you assuming has the 4th spot?  You have Cullen and Patterson as the starters.  Hankins would be third.  Who do you have guaranteed for the 4th DT if Kuhn, Bromely and Quarles are competing for #5?

Anybody notice what is being written abut Kuhn.  Fewell and the DL coach have said that Kuhn (and Hankins) had about the best off season that they have ever seen.  Conner Orr from NJ.Com says that Kuhn "Doesn't look like the same human being" as before. 

We'll have to see if all the DTs make it out of camp in one piece, health-wise, but this should be interesting.  Like last year, I think this group should be pretty strong this year.  We'll be seeing a lot of these younger players in the 5 preseason games and that is where the team will be made, or not.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:27 PM

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Bromley is guaranteed the 4th spot. His third round draft pick confirms that. Kuhn will battle with the others for the 5th spot

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GordonG wrote: Some Observations


It seems to me are likely to carry 5 DTs.  Kuhn. Bromley and Quarles seem to be in a battle for the 5th DT spot.  

Who are you assuming has the 4th spot?  You have Cullen and Patterson as the starters.  Hankins would be third.  Who do you have guaranteed for the 4th DT if Kuhn, Bromely and Quarles are competing for #5?

Anybody notice what is being written abut Kuhn.  Fewell and the DL coach have said that Kuhn (and Hankins) had about the best off season that they have ever seen.  Conner Orr from NJ.Com says that Kuhn "Doesn't look like the same human being" as before. 

We'll have to see if all the DTs make it out of camp in one piece, health-wise, but this should be interesting.  Like last year, I think this group should be pretty strong this year.  We'll be seeing a lot of these younger players in the 5 preseason games and that is where the team will be made, or not.

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Posted: 7/25/2014 8:06 AM

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running back and fullbacks have hillis, hynoski and conner, these are the 3 slowest guys ever.
id keep ONE of this group. none of them are going to have any significant carries.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 8:39 AM

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Can't imagine any other team has a worse collection of TE's.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:25 AM

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hcgiles wrote: Can't imagine any other team has a worse collection of TE's.
I'm trying to justify this t/e group to myself as you are hc maybe because of the role in Coach Macs offense  or they will be using fb in the inverted wishbone as was mentioned
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:50 AM

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hcgiles wrote: Can't imagine any other team has a worse collection of TE's.
Our linebackers are damn close.  Dan Fox is the backup SLB?  As an ND fan he is really not a NFL capable player. 

Disappointing - I agree in that we should have done something though at TE.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 4:19 PM

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hcgiles wrote: Can't imagine any other team has a worse collection of TE's.
o cmon that group is good for 25 receptions a year and a lot of missed blocks..

wow, McAdoo gotta be wondering where jermichael finley is
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Posted: 7/25/2014 4:59 PM

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GordonG wrote: Some Observations

Robinson dead last in TE depth. May just be a message to him.  Regardless, not a good sign.
Donnell starting TE.
Kennard starting SAM.  Obviously McClain jumps back to SAM.  Still good news about Kennard.
Interesting that both Williams and Paysinger are listed at WLB.  
Rolle listed as a strong safety.  It will be interesting to see if Rolle and Brown exchange places depending on down and distance.  
Mike Patterson listed as starting RDT.  Given the way that the Giants move players around on the DL, I am not sure that being listed as the starting RDT means anything more than he is very likely to make the team.
It seems to me are likely to carry 5 DTs.  Kuhn. Bromley and Quarles seem to be in a battle for the 5th DT spot.  
Giants depth chart missing Talley and Weaver.  Not a good sign for them.

Other than the #1s, this depth chart probably should be taken with a large grain of salt.
Cullen Jenkins will probably be seeing some reps at DE for the Giants in certain formations.    Remember the ol Joker alignment?    I have a feeling that baby will be back with Jenkins as one of the rush DEs.     He might even slide over as a rush DE on certain downs and distances.    


I am actually concerned about our depth at DE.     It's probably as light as it has been in years.   I honestly can't remember a time we were more light at the position than we are right now.   The good news.......we have mega-depth at DT.    If D Moore doesn't step up........we may have some issues.    Even with the secondary taking a step forward.     


Thanks for posting the depth chart.    Great stuff to learn about.   I'm a little surprised Hynoski is in front of Connor......but I will stick to my prediction that we may keep 2 FBs on the roster.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:05 PM

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Fox1308 wrote:
hcgiles wrote: Can't imagine any other team has a worse collection of TE's.
Our linebackers are damn close.  Dan Fox is the backup SLB?  As an ND fan he is really not a NFL capable player. 

Disappointing - I agree in that we should have done something though at TE.


FWIW.......if you look at the rest of the teams in our division......i don't think you'll be seeing 3 LBs on the field too often.    We know the Eagles offense has spread options.....rarely goes 2-1-2.......the Skins brought over the pass-happy Gruden system......and the Cowboys generally go 3 WRs more often than not.     


We could have issues when the likes of the NFC West roll in.    However.......for most of the teams we play, which are largely passing oriented.......I think we will have the right mix of second level players on the field.     I'm not stoked about the LBs.......but I feel like when Beason was in there Paysinger and J Will played a little more freely.    Hopefully this Kennard kid works out as well.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:08 PM

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chiller99 wrote:
hcgiles wrote: Can't imagine any other team has a worse collection of TE's.
I'm trying to justify this t/e group to myself as you are hc maybe because of the role in Coach Macs offense  or they will be using fb in the inverted wishbone as was mentioned

I have this feeling the FB will get more use in our system than TEs chiller.    I feel like you may see more 3/4 WR sets and either a HB or a FB will be in the backfield.......kind of like Kuhn was regularly for the Packers and mauling guys.      

I think Hillis will be a sneaky productive guy for the Giants.    I go back to the days of Tony Galbreath.......a guy that could catch the ball out of the backfield, run it a little, and block very well.    Hillis does all 3.   Hynoski and Connor I think can do this too.      I see the TE as even less of a focus of this offensive system, to be honest.      I know we think of J Finley with the Packers........but I think the land of TC still is not believing in taking the TE off the LOS.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:22 PM

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Our TE STINK...as we all know
as we have ALWAYS known

LT! Kiwanuka...that's a weak spot on the line
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Posted: 7/26/2014 6:17 AM

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JeffHostetlerFan wrote:
chiller99 wrote:
hcgiles wrote: Can't imagine any other team has a worse collection of TE's.
I'm trying to justify this t/e group to myself as you are hc maybe because of the role in Coach Macs offense  or they will be using fb in the inverted wishbone as was mentioned

I have this feeling the FB will get more use in our system than TEs chiller.    I feel like you may see more 3/4 WR sets and either a HB or a FB will be in the backfield.......kind of like Kuhn was regularly for the Packers and mauling guys.      

I think Hillis will be a sneaky productive guy for the Giants.    I go back to the days of Tony Galbreath.......a guy that could catch the ball out of the backfield, run it a little, and block very well.    Hillis does all 3.   Hynoski and Connor I think can do this too.      I see the TE as even less of a focus of this offensive system, to be honest.      I know we think of J Finley with the Packers........but I think the land of TC still is not believing in taking the TE off the LOS.
I think everyone is looking to see how much is revealed in camp ,especially formation wise.I havent heard a lot leaked about fb play but have read they have been running 2 t/es with the trips formation and 2 also in backfield.Also read a few places where they practiced the t/e screen which has been in mothballs since days of Shockey.

  • This is tough because the offense was very, very vanilla today. I can tell you, as Robinson said last week, the TE position does move around a bit more. There was one formation which was a “trips right” featuring a WR and two tight ends bunched together near the right tackle. Also, I believe it was Donnell, lined up as a tight end before coming in motion and lining up as a full back in the backfield.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 12:10 PM

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chiller99 wrote:
JeffHostetlerFan wrote:
chiller99 wrote:
hcgiles wrote: Can't imagine any other team has a worse collection of TE's.
I'm trying to justify this t/e group to myself as you are hc maybe because of the role in Coach Macs offense  or they will be using fb in the inverted wishbone as was mentioned

I have this feeling the FB will get more use in our system than TEs chiller.    I feel like you may see more 3/4 WR sets and either a HB or a FB will be in the backfield.......kind of like Kuhn was regularly for the Packers and mauling guys.      

I think Hillis will be a sneaky productive guy for the Giants.    I go back to the days of Tony Galbreath.......a guy that could catch the ball out of the backfield, run it a little, and block very well.    Hillis does all 3.   Hynoski and Connor I think can do this too.      I see the TE as even less of a focus of this offensive system, to be honest.      I know we think of J Finley with the Packers........but I think the land of TC still is not believing in taking the TE off the LOS.
I think everyone is looking to see how much is revealed in camp ,especially formation wise.I havent heard a lot leaked about fb play but have read they have been running 2 t/es with the trips formation and 2 also in backfield.Also read a few places where they practiced the t/e screen which has been in mothballs since days of Shockey.

  • This is tough because the offense was very, very vanilla today. I can tell you, as Robinson said last week, the TE position does move around a bit more. There was one formation which was a “trips right” featuring a WR and two tight ends bunched together near the right tackle. Also, I believe it was Donnell, lined up as a tight end before coming in motion and lining up as a full back in the backfield.
Def will be exciting to see how the offense develops chiller.    I kind of thought Donnell had the best raw talents of the guys manning the position last year.    It's not saying much.....but I thought there was at least something there to work with.    I feel like the Giants have a rare strength at FB that most teams don't enjoy.    Esp compared to what's lining up at TE.    I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.   

Yeah.......the days when the Giants had Campbell and Shockey together were when the offense was absolutely scary good.    That was another decision made over the years by the Giants that never made sense to me.   They let Campbell go after that 2002 season and went a lot more pass happy.   It didn't go well.......as we all remember.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 3:02 PM

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The Giants’ tight ends have lined up in the slot and tightly against the offensive line this summer. They have motioned into a standing position behind the guard and they have pushed out wide like a traditional wide receiver.

But they have also migrated into the backfield where a fullback traditionally plays. They have been learning how to block like a fullback and hit like one, too. It’s an adjustment that forces the tight end to line up their intended target from 5 yards away instead of having a defender draped over them as soon as the ball is snapped.

Both veteran free agents signed by the team this offseason — Kellen Davis (Seahawks) and Daniel Fells (New England) — have done it before. Larry Donnell, who experimented at the position during camp in 2013, and Adrien Robinson have been asked to learn the new wrinkle as well.

“It’s definitely different,” Fells said. “If you’ve never done it before, it’s kind of a little bit of an uncomfortable position. You’re coming from the backfield and you’re used to being in-line or flexed out. So just coming from a different angle and coming downhill, now you’re going against a linebacker that is 5 or 6 yards away from you.

“He’s got a head start, too. So you have to have a different mentality.”
The flex positioning allows the Giants plenty of different options on offense, but it also might save them a roster spot, too.

According to multiple people within the organization who requested anonymity in order to speak freely on the matter, the Giants have informed their tight ends that there is a good possibility that a fullback won’t make the final 53-man roster — leaving all of those duties up to the tight ends. Though injuries, personnel shifts and observances in the preseason could change the team’s plans, they entered the year hoping to keep their best four tight ends and give themselves some options on cut-down day.

The idea, which was relayed to players earlier this year during the Giants’ organized team activity, makes sense given that John Conner and Henry Hynoski left for the summer break with only a hazy idea of how they might fit into the offense. Though both have seen snaps during the first week of training camp — Conner even took a handoff Friday — there is a growing uncertainty around new offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo’s preference with the position.

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Posted: 7/28/2014 11:58 AM

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JeffHostetlerFan wrote:
Yeah.......the days when the Giants had Campbell and Shockey together were when the offense was absolutely scary good.    That was another decision made over the years by the Giants that never made sense to me.   They let Campbell go after that 2002 season and went a lot more pass happy.   It didn't go well.......as we all remember.
Accorsi had a bad habit of just letting his drafted players go who were good but not great.  Campbell was but one of them.  There is a long list of players who were not stars, but went on to play well for other teams for very reasonable pay:

-Joe Jurevicius
-Mike Rosenthal
-Brandon Short
-Dhani Jones
-Ralph Brown
-Cornelius Griffin (in fairness, he got a big contract from Washington, and never fit into our system). 
-Will Allen

If we had kept those players around, Accorsi's draft legacy may have been a little better.
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