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We need Beatty

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Posted: 7/12/2014 5:47 PM

We need Beatty 


IMVHO, This guy, Will Beatty, is the key cog that will make this years Giants a contender. If he can come back to what he was a couple of years ago, with the addition of the FA and rookies we added, I believe this OL can and will perform to it's potential and make Easy Eli feel comfortable back there again. I truly believe Beatty is the key. Other things may be gravy, like if Snee can give us anything, but without Beatty this line, in it's present form, is not what Eli would like in front of him.

Beatty is the key to making this season a good one and giving us some exciting Giants football once again. .
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Posted: 7/12/2014 8:04 PM

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If the Giants are going to contend, then they will need Eli, Beatty, Beckham,JJP and D-Cromartie to come through.
At least 4 of the 5 must come through and one of the 4 must be Eli.
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Posted: 7/13/2014 10:42 AM

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he'll be the "key" or he'll be the
one that puts Eli on a stretcher

Good thing is that the new O will have
him rolling out...AWAY from the left side
whewwww
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Posted: 7/13/2014 1:02 PM

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Interestingly, Beatty is scheduled to earn about 8mm in 2015.  An unproductive season by Beatty will likely place the Giants in a Baas like situation in which Beatty would be cut after June 1, 2015 generating approximately 4 mil is CAP savings in 2015 and generating 4 mil in dead money in 2016.  If Lewan proves to be the real thing and Beatty can not come back from his injuries, there will be much conversation about what might have been if Lewan was not picked by the Titans one pick before the Giants picked Beckham. The next OT pick was Zack Martin by the Cowboys.  I can just hear the screaming about how dumb JR was if Beckham proves to be less than spectacular and Beatty proves to be done.
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Posted: 7/13/2014 7:46 PM

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 I truly hope that Beatty CAN go out and recover his form from a couple of years ago.

Your point is well taken Gordon. Tuesday afternoon QBing is always a good thing for fansbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin
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Posted: 7/14/2014 5:37 AM

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GordonG wrote: II can just hear the screaming about how dumb JR was if Beckham proves to be less than spectacular and Beatty proves to be done.
He is what his draft record says his is. Brandon Mosley, Mitch Petrus, James Brewer, Adam Koets. You could argue Eric Winston may show something, but I would bet against it. It appears he got Pugh right, but we have to see what the next season brings. And, of course, he drafted Beatty. I'm guessing Beatty will be another Baas. Overpaid and under-performing and the Giants will be forced to make the cut. I think any criticism fans want to level at JR regarding the offensive line is well within their rights. At this moment, he's 1 for 7, with a chance that one can make a comeback after one of the worst seasons an O lineman could have and one can still develop. You want to defend that record? Go right ahead. Signing a guy who was a locker room problem in Miami with a terrible work ethic and another guy who hasn't played a down in almost two years is proof that JR knows his job is on the line. When have the Giants EVER had an offseason like this one? Never. Because the Skins, the Eagles, and Dallas has proven over and over again that trying to solve all your problems in FA market usually just blows up in your face. The title of the post is true - the Giants DO need Beatty. But, JR needs him even more. Finally, in advance of the usual "Giants draft by committee" replies, again, you can't have both ways boys. You can't say "two Super Bowls" and "In JR we trust" and then claim his hand are clean when the team screws up. He's the GM. If the committee is the problem, then it's his job to change the committee. 

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Posted: 7/14/2014 10:53 AM

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He's the GM. If the committee is the problem, then it's his job to change the
committee. 

I agree with this 110%. Same as any General during a war, if it happens on his watch then he is responsible, no matter which colonel or major was also involved in the decision.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:45 PM

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dweez115 wrote:
He is what his draft record says his is. Brandon Mosley, Mitch Petrus, James Brewer, Adam Koets. You could argue Eric Winston may show something, but I would bet against it. It appears he got Pugh right, but we have to see what the next season brings. And, of course, he drafted Beatty. 
You can easily make a case that JR wrongly ignored the OL in the draft, but questioning JR's drafting skill based on two 4th rounders, a 5th rounder, and a 6th rounder not panning out doesn't really make sense.

I am not defending JR's drafting abilities here.  Just saying that, in my opinion, anyone drafted after the 3rd round is a complete shot in the dark.  You may hit is big, but most likely the guy isn't going to make it.

So if you want to complain that JR has mismanaged the team by not drafting the OL high in the draft, then that is a fair argument.  But missing out on 4 flyers is not.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 3:06 AM

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NewYawka wrote:
dweez115 wrote:
He is what his draft record says his is. Brandon Mosley, Mitch Petrus, James Brewer, Adam Koets. You could argue Eric Winston may show something, but I would bet against it. It appears he got Pugh right, but we have to see what the next season brings. And, of course, he drafted Beatty. 
You can easily make a case that JR wrongly ignored the OL in the draft, but questioning JR's drafting skill based on two 4th rounders, a 5th rounder, and a 6th rounder not panning out doesn't really make sense.

I am not defending JR's drafting abilities here.  Just saying that, in my opinion, anyone drafted after the 3rd round is a complete shot in the dark.  You may hit is big, but most likely the guy isn't going to make it.

So if you want to complain that JR has mismanaged the team by not drafting the OL high in the draft, then that is a fair argument.  But missing out on 4 flyers is not.
I think the point you are hinting at, but not directly saying, is when you have a QB with limited mobility, that has a tendency to throw INTs when under pressure, and O coordinator who likes to throw in plays that take time to develop (Gilbride), it's probably not a particularly well thought out draft day strategy to go after "flyers" on the line. It appears to me that you define "drafting skill" as strictly how a player turns out. And I agree that's a pretty damn important component. But I think it goes deeper. You have to draft based on your team, your game plan, even keeping an eye on your division and conference. Mara admitted that JR built a draft culture on taking gambles. He had an immensely successful first draft, won a Super Bowl that first year, and, it seems as the years rolled on, confidence slowly turned to arrogance. I'm not saying you never roll the dice. I am saying that should not be your default go to setting.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 2:08 PM

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Beatty is VERY important to the Giants chances for success this season.

I put the onus squarely on Beatty and on Eli Manning. Both of them need big bounce back seasons or this year's team will be just like the ones from the last two years, bad teams. Both players also could find themselves elsewhere next year if that happens. And then the era will be over and it'll be even more change.

Good teams rely on their stars,
Great teams rely on each other.

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