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Jintsfan46 wrote: ISoccer, do they have a HC or manager? Once the game gets underway, what really can he do. maybe a substitute, but that's about it. .
Posted: 7/14/2014 4:44 AM
I tend to think there is no meaningful difference in terms of the impact that a HC has on basketball, hockey and soccer.
Posted: 7/14/2014 10:58 AM
dweez115 wrote: Jintsfan46 wrote: ISoccer, do they have a HC or manager? Once the game gets underway, what really can he do. maybe a substitute, but that's about it. .Actually, a soccer manager acts has a variety of roles. To an extent, he is a HC, offensive and defensive coordinator, special teams coach, and, in a small way, like a QB, You prepare for your opponent, decide on a formation that gives you the best chance to win with your players, individual matchups you want to exploit (while preventing the other team from getting the matchup they want), and your lineup based on the importance of the game, players health, and whether any players were booked in the previous game (yellow and red cards). Set pieces lead to more goals than just straight attacks, so specifics plays are designed, and called for when the manager sees a weakness to exploit. The manager has three subs for the whole game (including extra time). So, those subs have to be made wisely, in a timely manner, and strategically. If my team is up by one goal with 10 minutes left, I would be fool to take out a defensive player to add another attacker. As much as you may want to use a substitute early, it has to be absolutely critical because you never know when you will have to substitute a guy who got hurt. Formations can be changed during the game - although that's rare - and critical calls are made by the manager. When do you open up the attack, how will their team - and yours - counter, which player do you move to exploit an opening? You are analyzing their team, their players, their coaching, and the officiating all game long and making adjustments based on what you see. Ideally, a soccer manager has a goalie he trusts to help with the defenders and an elite forward or mid that can help oversee the attack. Managers will be shouting and/or signing instructions from the side and explaining any major changes to the player they are subbing into the game so he can speak to the other players directly. There is, of course, the joy of working the officials. It's important to do because the ref is out there by himself but is allowed to consult with the linemen if his view was obstructed and/or they indicate they saw something he needs to know about. You don't want to lose your player to a red card when he didn't do what the ref thinks he did. The fourth officials (when available - most amateur matches don't have one) is also important since he's handling the subs and tracking stoppages to determine how much time he will add at the end of each half. At the half, you need to make adjustments to how you are going to approach the second half. If you have a big lead, you want to play a more defensive game w/o giving up the attack all together. And, of course, like any sport, you have to play psychologist. What motivates an individual player? How did you bring him up when he's down? How do you get a player to focus when the team has a big lead or his girlfriend dumped him? How do you keep a guy with a short fuse from self destructing? Given the passion and money involved in the big leagues, being a soccer manager in the pros is very much like the NFL. Win and make millions. Lose and get the ax. Sometimes, just a few weeks into the season. Last, but not least, like the NFL, pro soccer managers have an obligation to work with the press. Most of them enjoy it as much as the NFL HCs do. Most of the questions are just as stupid, as well.
Posted: 7/14/2014 11:33 AM
Jintsfan46 wrote: Thanks for the heads up dweez112 on the duties of a soccer coach. Maybe I was more referring to in game management. How is it possible for the coach to do all those match ups and strategies during a gem if he really can't communicate with his players much?. I shows my little knowledge of soccer.
Thanks for the heads up dweez112 on the duties of a soccer coach. Maybe I was more referring to in game management. How is it possible for the coach to do all those match ups and strategies during a gem if he really can't communicate with his players much?.
Posted: 7/14/2014 11:43 AM
Posted: 7/14/2014 1:15 PM
Jintsfan46 wrote: Soccer, do they have a HC or manager? Once the game gets underway, what really can he do. maybe a substitute, but that's about it. .
Posted: 7/14/2014 2:21 PM
FatandProud wrote: Actually in Europe he is more referred to as ' Trainer ' and just Coach in the US.
Actually in Europe he is more referred to as ' Trainer ' and just Coach in the US.
Posted: 7/14/2014 3:25 PM
dweez115 wrote: I tend to think there is no meaningful difference in terms of the impact that a HC has on basketball, hockey and soccer.If that was true, anyone could do it, and it be a $30,000 a year job for kids fresh out of college. Why would any owner in their right mind pay them millions? Why do so many fail so miserably? Why do a select few have success with different teams and have careers spanning, in rare cases, decades?
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Last edited 7/14/2014 9:08 PM by GordonG
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Posted: 7/15/2014 11:40 AM
NYGJim wrote: Gordon -- That's a good point regarding how soccer teams have youth development programs. But I wonder how many soccer managers last long enough with any particular team to see the fruits of their labors in their team's youth program? For instance, MLS has youth develpment programs. I follow the NE Revolution and they now have first D-player (Diego Fagundez) on the roster. He was first brought up about four years ago when he was 16. The manager then was Steve Nicols and Nicols was let go that same season Diego came on board. It's Nicols replacement (Jay Heaps) who reaps the benefits of Diego's talents....
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