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depth &: versaltilty on the o line

Posted: 7/3/2014 6:02 AM

depth &: versaltilty on the o line 


First off I think darn near to a miracle occurred last off season. The o line didn't get the most help (CB did) but I think one of the worst units in football has been upgraded to where will be an excellent unit and mainstay of the team for years.
. By position
. RG...maybe last years greatest weakness this years unit shows exceptional depth and it seems inevitable that a good player will emerge
Mosley.... Strong kid good pedigree, seemed capable last year.
. Reese...my choice for one of the biggest surprizes. 340 third round pick, 32 game starter. Here s the key: he was rated as one of the TOP TEN pass blockers in all of football. Now it seems to me that pass blocking takes more athleticism than run blocking and anyone who can pass block exceptionally well can be made into a great run blocker too.
. Chris Snee...swears he'll be healthy and ten pounds healthier come camp. I wonder, I suspect he will be top notch or cut.

. CENTER. WALTON/RICHBURG The Giants always do their due diligence. No way do we sign this kid if he's not good and not healthy. The cowboys had a rook center change their whole line last year, our rook is in that class. The position should be very strong.
. LEFT GUARD..Geof Schwartz...a brawler big and tough..Suey incarnate.

I see an interior that is big, mean and very good.
. RIGHT TACKLE... the second year is considered the year of greatest growth. Pugh is coming to camp bigger and stronger, we could have something special here.

. BEATTY..The kid apologized for last year. I personally think that anyone playing next to James Brewer is going to play badly. I have the utmost faith in Flagherty, TC and Reese. They'd watched thus kid for years I don't believe they give him that contract if he's not good. Dave Brown a second round pick backs him up in case of injury, but I think scwhartz can step in too and then Mosley or Richburg can go to OLG.
. I think continuity and cohesion might be a problem, butI think talentwise this group is potentially bigger and better than the DD,Suey,O'Hara, Snee Mac group that stayed together for so many years.
. And how he did that while massively upgrading the secondary, rb position, special teams etc. constitutes darn near an act of genius.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 7:56 AM

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I too was amazed that Eli made it to game 16 in one piece. That moron Sanders can call EM "Goober" all he wants but Eli is one tough cookie.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 3:33 PM

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David Diehl from the 2010-2013 seasons was the single worst offensive lineman in NFL history over a 4 year stretch...and it's not even close

Coughlin insisting on starting him was irresponsible, dangerous, and a downright firable offense.



Overall, David Diehl is the worst OL I have seen in my 15 years of watching football. He's THAT bad.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 8:30 PM

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James Brewer

Noone gets it. This team went bad at the precise moment that the pick up ORT from Wash. Went down and DD was inserted.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 4:21 PM

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I think we took some potential moves forward with the OL this year grizz.   At least on the depth front.   I don't think it's great depth, but it's experienced depth.   I think we all have to believe that Beatty is going to return to his former form.   Last year was a disaster for him.    

I will say that this year's line has a chance to be about as productive as 2011's was.   2011's line wasn't great......but it was good enough.   I think that's kind of where we are.   We can also survive one or two injuries this season and still be productive.    


I agree with you about 2012 and the loss of Locklear.    That turned out to be a pretty big deal.   He played well while he was in the lineup.    However......I really don't think that Giants squad was really a dangerous post-season team.    Although it would not have been as disappointing making the playoffs and losing as opposed to how we crapped out and missed the playoffs.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 4:23 PM

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BTW......I think another difference in the team this year will be via the WCO installation.   Or whatever McAdoo's approach to the WCO is.    It should focus more on shorter QB dropbacks and faster decisions to be made.    This should also help our OL as they won't be forced to hold on to blocks forever.    I believe it will help Eli and help us potentially be more offensively efficient.   Something we've struggled with in recent years.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 9:28 PM

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Ok, Jeff, I'm coming out if the closet: I lived KG.
. Mac had Rogers, KG had Eli a ticket and ear muffs. Yeah I know that's only one instance, but year after year in an open northern stadium with a franchise that puts finite resources disproportionaly into the d; and we're among the leaders in most offensive categories.
. My gosh, I like everything that's been done, in my heart I want KG back, and this guy who not had Rogers but had an offensive minded HC, well he's gonna have to prove it to me.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 9:55 PM

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Obviously you have only seen a handful of games in those 15 years, because there have been many worse OL in that span. Have you heard of Ian Allen?


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--- EliMcAdoo2014 wrote:

David Diehl from the 2010-2013 seasons was the single worst offensive lineman in NFL history over a 4 year stretch...and it's not even close

Coughlin insisting on starting him was irresponsible, dangerous, and a downright firable offense.



Overall, David Diehl is the worst OL I have seen in my 15 years of watching football. He's THAT bad.

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Posted: 7/4/2014 11:14 PM

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If the Pilsbury dough guy ran like he was looking for a soft patch to lay down in and if David Brown looked like he was playing bocci ball, then James Brewer apologized to defensive linemen if he accidentally got in there way.
. DD was always willing
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Posted: 7/6/2014 10:19 PM

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Grizz299 wrote: Ok, Jeff, I'm coming out if the closet: I lived KG.
. Mac had Rogers, KG had Eli a ticket and ear muffs. Yeah I know that's only one instance, but year after year in an open northern stadium with a franchise that puts finite resources disproportionaly into the d; and we're among the leaders in most offensive categories.
. My gosh, I like everything that's been done, in my heart I want KG back, and this guy who not had Rogers but had an offensive minded HC, well he's gonna have to prove it to me.
AAAAGGGH!!!  Just wrote a whole reply.....and it got wiped out by my computer.   


Basically.....I think fans undervalued what KG's system brought us and how successful it was over his extensive career as an OC.   But I think it was a good time for a change and I embrace what should be a moderate shift in methodology.    I also think it could really show off Eli as more of a playmaker and not rely so much on option routes.    I think just letting Eli read the defense and just find the best option given to him by the way the routes are run.......as opposed to KGs have the receivers start their route, then adjust based on the D.
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Posted: 7/7/2014 12:28 PM

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EliMcAdoo2014 wrote: David Diehl from the 2010-2013 seasons was the single worst offensive lineman in NFL history over a 4 year stretch...and it's not even close

Coughlin insisting on starting him was irresponsible, dangerous, and a downright firable offense.



Overall, David Diehl is the worst OL I have seen in my 15 years of watching football. He's THAT bad.
I really think you need to reevaluate that statement.

First David Diehl was VERY exceptional over that 4 year stretch.

you do realize he played G LT RT over that 4 year stretch and was THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE to play those positions when called upon. Who would you have started over him?...

We won TWO superbowls with him at LT.  You might say he was the "worst" ever. but the fact is in a run and gun offense, he got the job done.

You want a fair comparison.  compare his 4 years against Beatty last year.

Your assessment is invalid and unfair.
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Posted: 7/7/2014 5:49 PM

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Jeff, I think that KG might have designed a system that was custom made for Eli and played to his strengths.
Good long ball, not so good on short stiff and accuracy. Good pocket sense, very cerebral , diligent design with that in mind.
. That is speculative but not unreasonable. We may be forcing him into the square hole NOW. Huge difference in footwork, accuracy to hit short receivers in full stride.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 1:19 PM

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I think that Eli will embrace the changes and welcome the any challenge in terms of learning new techniques.  I  have a feeling he will become a better passer.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 3:09 PM

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Gordon ~  I agree with you.  This new system will make Eli a more efficient passer and will provide relief for the O-Line because Eli will deliver the ball quicker.  I also think the new offense will be more of a ball-contol offense with fewer turnovers; meaning the defense is off the field more.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 3:53 PM

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well I hope and think that you're right. But for all the changes and all the supposed holes, my biggest concern is Eli and Mac.
Gentlemen, a few breaks, JPP and Beatty, Eli gets the system and Mac is the real thing, I think we challenge. I think this is the one team that SF and Sea. might be afraid of.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 1:15 PM

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EliMcAdoo2014 wrote: David Diehl from the 2010-2013 seasons was the single worst offensive lineman in NFL history over a 4 year stretch...and it's not even close

Coughlin insisting on starting him was irresponsible, dangerous, and a downright firable offense.



Overall, David Diehl is the worst OL I have seen in my 15 years of watching football. He's THAT bad.
DD did leave a lot to be desired, however PUKE PETTIGOUT was ten times worse, especially for a first round pick.flushedflushedflushed
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:59 PM

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aussie wrote: Obviously you have only seen a handful of games in those 15 years, because there have been many worse OL in that span. Have you heard of Ian Allen?


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--- EliMcAdoo2014 wrote:

David Diehl from the 2010-2013 seasons was the single worst offensive lineman in NFL history over a 4 year stretch...and it's not even close

Coughlin insisting on starting him was irresponsible, dangerous, and a downright firable offense.



Overall, David Diehl is the worst OL I have seen in my 15 years of watching football. He's THAT bad.

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TC has been coaching at the highest level longer than you have even been watching football.  I have to go with HIS opinion over yours.
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