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reasons for optimism?

Posted: 7/2/2014 2:05 PM

reasons for optimism? 


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I agree with a lot of these reasons, but what holds me back is the offensive line. I think that, at best, it can be a slightly better than average line, but that could be good enough for this team to do big things. But to me, there is no bigger question mark than Eli Manning. He was honestly awful last year. The line was bad, his receivers were bad (Nicks in particular), but a good quarterback can't just shut it down like that. He threw a lot of bad passes. I will hope for the best.

Good teams rely on their stars,
Great teams rely on each other.

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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:54 PM

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I dunno know leagued, talentwise I think the line will be fine. I don't think we sign Walton, Reese etc. Unless we've done our due diligence. I worry about cohesiveness and hope the extra pre-season helps.
. I watched Eli in the opener, I was reminded of a down hill skier who had to be absolutely perfect or he would careen out of control. No ground game,vno protection , trying too hard against that, he had to spin out of control. I am prepared to give him the benefit until proven otherwise.
. Hill still hurts,but if JPP is back, I think we can play with anyone.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 5:09 PM

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Leagued,

    Offensive line aside, I agree with you on Eli, last year wasn't the only year he led the league in picks.  Whether you point to wrong route running by the WRs, bad reads by Eli or just poorly thrown balls, I truly hope the new OC can correct some of what ails him.  Shorter routes, couple of safety valves whether its the RB or TE, no more of this QB and WR having to read the defense the same way.  I am not down on Eli, I still think he has a few more good years for the GMEN providing he stays healthy.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 6:30 PM

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Maybe Eli is a bigger part of the problem than we all want to admit.  We shall see.  I still think that a lot of our offensive problems the last couple of years are the result of many things.  The Oline, the wide receivers, Eli, and I think a major problem was that our coaching staff was not willing to change anything involving our vertical, high risk offense.  Even when it was consistently not working, the OC and TC did nothing major to change their schemes and play calling.  I will give Mara credit for shaking things up after the horrendous offensive effort the last year and a half.  I have no idea if the new hybrid west coast offense, or whatever it is called, will be effective this year.  I  do feel good about the recognition by ownership that things had to change and forcing Reese and TC to do something different.  I am cautiously optimistic about 2014.  I am hoping that the team is heading in the right direction with the many personnel changes, especially a new OC.

Go giants!
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Posted: 7/4/2014 7:29 AM

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Grizz, this and your other post refers to a Reese, are you meaning John Jerry? And you call brown, Dave brown too, I guess dave brown wouldn't be any worse at OT them he was at QB. Maybe this is tongue-in-cheek, so if that's the case, my bad.

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I dunno know leagued, talentwise I think the line will be fine. I don't think we sign Walton, Reese etc. Unless we've done our due diligence. I worry about cohesiveness and hope the extra pre-season helps.
. I watched Eli in the opener, I was reminded of a down hill skier who had to be absolutely perfect or he would careen out of control. No ground game,vno protection , trying too hard against that, he had to spin out of control. I am prepared to give him the benefit until proven otherwise.
. Hill still hurts,but if JPP is back, I think we can play with anyone.

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Posted: 7/4/2014 4:16 PM

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Didn't Gordon post this story once before on this blog?    


At any rate......I think there is cause for optimism this season.   I was a little cautiously optomistic with some reservations in 2012 and 2013.    I feel like there is more of a freshness to this roster.   I feel like there will be some freshness on the offensive approach and I do believe that we made some solid bolt ons to the offensive line.    


Do we have a perfect roster?   I don't believe so.   I think this team as currently constructed is at best one that can win a divisional round playoff game.    I don't think this is a team that can match up well with the best of the NFC West.    But.....I think our squad as currently constructed could be a 10 win team.   If everything works out absolutely perfectly, maybe we win more than 10.   I don't see that.   

Eli's ability to be an effective QB will absolutely be a story going into this season.   I think the concerns about his last season are overblown.    I think he was a victim of the lack of overall talent surrounding him and a scheme that was pretty stale.    I have faith that Eli has a few more seasons in his arm.   We're all going to have to wait and see.   This should be a game changing season for Eli's career.   I don't think it's impossible we might move on from him if this season doesn't go well.    But he's going to have to be awful for that to be the case.   I just don't believe that will happen.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 4:42 PM

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Jeff,
. We've never had the type of year were we dominated all the way through. The Plax year was that year except that...,,
. I believe that if this system really fits Eli that....
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Posted: 7/8/2014 4:56 PM

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Grizz299 wrote: Jeff,
. We've never had the type of year were we dominated all the way through. The Plax year was that year except that...,,
. I believe that if this system really fits Eli that....

I won't deny that we haven't been a dominant team even in our fondest years.   I think we've seen that's not necessarily important in today's NFL compared to the years we were accustomed to in the 70s thru the 90s.    There is too much parity and too much player movement for teams to just be consistently dominant.     


I guess I look at things from the prism that if our defense can just maintain what it did last year, and our offense picks it up and returns to production we enjoyed from 2008-2011, parts of 2012......we should be a playoff contending team.     

The health of Beason is a big part of the defensive picture.   JPP returning to form and hopefully Hankins and D Moore stepping up will be important as well.    I hope the secondary stays healthy.   Last year was the first season in a while they did and they largely performed ok to good.   


I truly believe we have made some upgrades to the O Line this offseason.   It won't be an overall Home Run, but we at least are starting the year with better depth than we have had since 2011.    That should be a difference maker.    We should be more solid at RB......and more versatile.   And that's before D Wilson does anything......and I'm personally not even including him in things.    If he plays at all, that's a bonus, IMO.    The WRs/TEs will need to prove themselves......that's absolutely a big part of the mystery of our upcoming season.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 4:40 PM

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Have realistic expectations going into this season.  The OL, with all the new and unfamiliar parts, is a work in progress.  

Look out for those meteors.  This team will rebound soon enough unless the end of the world is upon us.  We will see some struggles early but by season's end we should have enough to feel optimistic going into the next season and maybe even the playoffs.

The BIGGEST key will be if the ground game comes back.  If that happens look out.  We're no longer fighting with one hand tied behind our backs.  There is NO WAY we will win a SB in a season where Eli carries the entire team a 2nd time.  Team > The Lone Hero Standing in the Face of Great Odds.

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Posted: 7/11/2014 11:38 AM

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jimmyzzzz wrote: Have realistic expectations going into this season.  The OL, with all the new and unfamiliar parts, is a work in progress.  

Look out for those meteors.  This team will rebound soon enough unless the end of the world is upon us.  We will see some struggles early but by season's end we should have enough to feel optimistic going into the next season and maybe even the playoffs.

The BIGGEST key will be if the ground game comes back.  If that happens look out.  We're no longer fighting with one hand tied behind our backs.  There is NO WAY we will win a SB in a season where Eli carries the entire team a 2nd time.  Team > The Lone Hero Standing in the Face of Great Odds.

I think you make a great point jimmy.......there are a lot of new pieces and features to integrate on offense.   I think it's good we have an extra preseason game to work out the kinks.    Simply on paper......the offense feels a little better than where we were going into last year.    I was concerned with our depth, age, and lack of schematic adjustments.     At a minimum, I'm excited to see how things come together.     

I def don't think this is a Super Bowl looking roster........but we know Eli can get it done if things are coming together.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 1:36 PM

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Caution is the best  I can come up with. At this time of year I normally would be filled with optimism and hope for our boys in Blue. With so many changes in player and coaching positions, along with so many dismal performances by the players we retained, I feel like the guy on the volcano. This thing could blow at any time, remain dormant, or maybe last year was the cataclysm and this is the year new growth appears on the mountain side. Of course we all will be rooting and enduring the foul ups and growing pains, of which I fear there will be many. I just hope we can get the first offensive play off this year without turning the ball over.banghead
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Posted: 7/12/2014 2:38 PM

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The Giants have overhauled three key areas this off season:

1.) Offensive Line - The rebuilding process began with the drafting of RT Justin Pugh in 2013. It has continued this year with the free agent acquisition of G Geoff Schwartz and the drafting of C Weston Richburg in the 2nd round this year.  They also signed C JD Walton (low risk, high reward signing) and G John Jerry and T Charles Brown.  Richburg can play G if necessary. Jerry can play both G spots.  Brown can play LT if Will Beatty isn't healthy.  Schwartz can play both G spots and RT if necessary.  The depth and talent on the offensive line is not getting the credit it deserves.  Looking long term, the team still should draft another G in a high round.  And if Beatty is as inconsistent as he was last year, than they will have to draft a LT of the future sooner than later.  But the Giants addressed the OL in a major way!

2.) Running Game - The Giants running game was putrid early on in the season and they were as one dimensional as it gets.  Wilson had fumbelitis and than got hurt.  There was nothing left and they brought back Jacobs who revitalized the running game a bit.  Peyton Hillis was a great signing. I'm glad they re-signed him and I hope he makes the team.  Rashaad Jennings gives the team a versatile back who is very good at cut backs running and can catch a screen.  He also can block and runs with power. Andre Williams was a great pickup in the 4th round.  Guy was very productive in college and runs angry.  He'll have to prove he can catch.  David Wilson, if given clearance, should have to work for playing time and hold onto the football.  If he holds onto the football and gets in the open field and has confidence, we know what he can do.  The running game is a QBs best friend, and the Giants have the pieces in place again to run the football and force teams to stack the box! 

3.) Secondary - The strength of the Giants defense in the Coughlin era has been the Defensive Line.  There ability to rush four and drop 7 in coverage is a major reason why this team has 2 Super Bowl championships.  Last year, the pass rush didn't get there.  And the secondary got exposed.  The Giants have rebuilt this unit and it is my favorite rebuild part.  They signed Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie as well as Walter Thurmond at CB.  Thurmond can play inside or outside and he will be a great asset covering the slot.  They also signed Zack Bowman and re-signed Trumaine McBride (who played well last year).  The depth behind Prince and DRC is the best its been in a long time.  Losing Will Hill sucks, but Antrel Rolle will be able to play Saftey from now on and not have to play the slot.  That's huge!  Brown, Taylor, Demps and Behre will compete in camp for the opportunity to play along Rolle.  Giants like Demps as the third saftey, ala Deon Grant.  Demps is very good in coverage. The Giants coverage improved like a million percent lol.  I'm really looking forward to seeing this unit in action.  

The drafting of Odell Beckham Jr. to replace Nicks is fantastic.  He already has a relationship with Eli and they were working out together recently at the Manning Passing Academy.  The WR position is very solid. The TE position worries me.  There is a lot of unknown there.  I hope Finley is signed once he is cleared. Atleast they have someone proven at the position. 

Hopefully, Beason heals up 100% and is ready to go. His leadership in the middle is important.  The DT position is loaded.  Robert Ayers was a very under the radar signing at DE. He can play the run and can put pressure on the QB.  Moore will have to step up.  I like the DT position with Hankins, Jenkins, Paterson, Bromley and Quarles.  If JPP is anywhere near the 2011 JPP, this defense can be very good.  On paper means nothing, they will have to prove it on the field!

I'm really excited about this season.  I thought the Giants would be active in FA, but they were more active than I expected.  

As usual, the key will be staying healthy and not turning the football over.  It is as simple as that!

Go Giants! cool
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Posted: 7/16/2014 9:34 PM

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Great post Eddie.   I think of those 3 areas you mentioned......the O Line will be the one that we'll have to see come together.   I like the adjustments and signings we made......along with drafting Richburg.   There are still some injury prone pieces on our line and I think everyone is right to be somewhat skeptical going into the season.    I think the new Offensive system will help mask this a little by relying more on shorter pass plays.     


I am excited about what the running game could be.    In no way do I think we will be running out a dominant group......but I think this might be our best collection of RBs since the 2008 season.   I even like our FBs.   I think the FBs and Peyton Hillis will be larger contributors to this team during the 2014 season than people might realize.    Kuhn on GB makes lots of contributions.....I think they might use Hillis in a similar fashion.   I also love the way Hillis crushes blitzing safeties and LBs.    I'm even mildly excited for Wilson's comeback.   I doubt he will ever see more than 5-10 touches per game in his career.    But he only needs 5 or 10.   He can break one anytime.      


I think you are right that the Giants moves in the secondary should be very helpful.   it sucks that Beason went down.......I really think with Beason in there it makes our defense deep at all 3 levels.   I'm moderately worried about the D Line this year......but with the secondary as it is, I don't think the D Line needs to be great.    They just need to be persistent.    


I'm with you........I think there is a lot to be excited about this year.    Nervous excited, as well.   cool
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Posted: 7/17/2014 9:31 AM

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I'm not really nervous at all as to be honest my expectations are not that high. I think that if the team stays mostly healthy and if the new players gel pretty well, that the team can possibly contend for the division title. The thing is that the division is not overly impressive and things usually don't go as well as they can. Most likely the team will take a while to gel and there will be some injuries to one or two of those good corners we now have, and those receivers, which will test the depth. I am going into the season pretty much expecting a typical 8-8 Giants season but if they do a little better and make the playoffs then I'll be pleasantly surprised. It's all a building process as I think 2015 will be the year where we can raise our expectations a bit.

Good teams rely on their stars,
Great teams rely on each other.

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Posted: 7/17/2014 1:47 PM

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m very optomistic.
a new O-Line, we got 16 guys playing for 5 spots, its going to be better than'13
new RB's. last year we didnt have one, not one RB.
new WR..our #1 pick and more help for cruz than oft injured nicks.

defensively.
a healthy JPP. new DT's
new LB's and a totally new secondary.

keep eli upright, a new OC.

a weak division.

this can spell good success this year. definitely a playoff year IMO
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