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Prediction - Chris Snee won't make the final roster

Posted: 6/24/2014 12:52 PM

Prediction - Chris Snee won't make the final roster 


I think he will call it quits. Either way, the injuries he's already suffering during OTAs (elbow) makes him a long shot to make the final roster. Jerry Reese in his interview yesterday didn't seem confident Snee will be ready to go.

I'm guessing 8 OL make the Final 53

Starting OL:

LT Will Beatty
LG Geoff Schwartz
C JD Walton
RG John Jerry
RT Justin Pugh

Bench:

C/G Weston Richburg
T Charles Brown
G Brandon Mosley

Last edited 6/24/2014 12:54 PM by EliMcAdoo2014

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Posted: 6/24/2014 1:32 PM

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Its definitely a possibility as he's already having injury issues. He wasn't able to finish OTAs because his elbow was acting up, same one he had surgery on. So without even getting into full practice hitting he is having pain. Lets see how those hips hold up once the grind of training camp begins. I'm sure the team will try to offset that by holding him back a lot. But the truth is that he may be a wasted roster spot saved for sentimental reasons by Coughlin. That would be a true shame if that were to happen and a younger, more deserving guy got released because of it. We'll have to see how it goes in training camp next month (damn it feels good to say that).

I still do not believe that the Giants did nearly enough to fortify the offensive line, but I also think they believe that they didn't have to as the new offense features a lot of quick, short passing which means the line has to merely not collapse instead of dominating. I don't like that thinking though.

Good teams rely on their stars,
Great teams rely on each other.

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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:39 PM

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I'd be shocked if they only kept 8 OL.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 10:45 PM

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Coughlin will fight tooth and nail to keep Snee on board. Only question is, will Coughlin accept that Snee is nothing more then a backup now (and that might be generous)?
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Posted: 6/25/2014 1:16 AM

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TheShade wrote: Coughlin will fight tooth and nail to keep Snee on board. Only question is, will Coughlin accept that Snee is nothing more then a backup now (and that might be generous)?
I could see any man being of two minds on this one. He's his son-in-law, so you want him to get the money. He's the father of your grandchildren, so you don't want him a cripple before he's 40. I suspect Coughlin has enough honor and sentimentality to bring Snee into the office and say, "You need to go home to your wife and kids before the damage is so bad that can't enjoy your life as a husband and a father anymore.". Bottom line, the family can't be hurting for cash, so I think Snee "retires" before the season starts.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 7:58 AM

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I would see a double standard here if Snee were kept around because of personal relationship with TC. Thinking cutting a vet is the hardest part of training camp, but comes with the duties of being a head coach. Just they way it is. But keeping a healthy rookie pays dividends in the long run.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 8:54 AM

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I actually would not be surprised if this did occur.   I was kind of hoping he'd retire on his own during the offseason.....but as a pro that's done nothing else but play football, anyone can understand that he would continue to try and be a productive professional.    And we know the Giants brass were going to at least keep him around.   He did cut his salary a little this season.    


How do intra-season retirements effect the cap, again?    


And why are the Giants using Richburg more at Guard?   I mean.....if that's his best spot ultimately...terrific.....but......it's nice to have the Center position manned for a good 10 years.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 9:08 AM

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Without question...TC will do what's best for the NYG.

His son in law is already a,multi millionaire and favortsm here could impact the locker room. TC , if anything, will be harder on the kid.
Leagued...what did you want them to do? With limited cap room they brought in four free agents and invested a no. 2.
It's one thing to be critical but a requisite should be a viable alternative and the only one I zee is taking Zack, and Beckman and Richtenberg feels better than Zack and a no. 2.
Other than Zack and maybe another center instead of Walton I think they did a great job and I think, given time, this can be a superb unit With fine depth too.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:58 AM

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There were plenty of OL free agents available and I would have been happy if just one or two second-tier guys were signed to compete for starting jobs or for depth. Instead the Giants gave a good chunk of cash to a guy that hasn't played in two years. They then signed John Jerry who ranks as a pretty bad guard, and is already injured. Then they sign Charles Brown to backup left tackle, which is an important position this year with Beatty coming off a bad season and a broken leg. Brown is quite simply an atrocious left tackle.

And while I love Richburg, they are playing him at guard instead of center which is his dominant position.

I am just not happy with what they have done, but I have no choice other than to hope for the best. In a perfect world,  Walton will be healthy and have a very good season at center while Richburg either provides solid depth at center and guard, or he starts at guard and has a decent season. Also, we all better pray that Beatty is healthy and has a good year or else Brown will be out there embarrassing himself and the franchise.

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Great teams rely on each other.

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Posted: 6/25/2014 8:22 PM

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This group has way too many injury concerns to go with only 8 OL. I'm willing to bet the Giants keep 9 OLinemen again this year. That leaves two roster spots between Snee, Mosley, Brewer, and Herman. Snee is going to win a spot unless two of those young guys have monster pre-seasons.

Walton C (Lock)
Richburg C (Lock)
Schwartz G (Lock)
Snee G
Mosley G
Brewer G
Herman G
Jerry G/T (Probably)
Beatty T (Lock)
Pugh T (Lock)
Brown T (Probably)
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Posted: 6/25/2014 10:24 PM

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leagued wrote: There were plenty of OL free agents available and I would have been happy if just one or two second-tier guys were signed to compete for starting jobs or for depth. Instead the Giants gave a good chunk of cash to a guy that hasn't played in two years. They then signed John Jerry who ranks as a pretty bad guard, and is already injured. Then they sign Charles Brown to backup left tackle, which is an important position this year with Beatty coming off a bad season and a broken leg. Brown is quite simply an atrocious left tackle.

And while I love Richburg, they are playing him at guard instead of center which is his dominant position.

I am just not happy with what they have done, but I have no choice other than to hope for the best. In a perfect world,  Walton will be healthy and have a very good season at center while Richburg either provides solid depth at center and guard, or he starts at guard and has a decent season. Also, we all better pray that Beatty is healthy and has a good year or else Brown will be out there embarrassing himself and the franchise.
First off there more than likely will be plenty of cuts to choose from in the pre season, so I do not understand how people come to the conclusions that they come to. Actually we have no idea what the final team will be comprised of. Us fans are too full of ourselves and we do not have any inside information. Right now this is just a dress rehearsal, and I am sure there will be more add ons, and talent that may make the team that nobody knew about, because it always works that way. Personally I have perfect faith in the ability of the New York Giant front office, and I do not think I know more than them.winkwinkwink
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Posted: 6/26/2014 10:30 AM

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Wish Lewan would have dropped. IMO, the Giants OL cannot afford an injury with so little depth.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 4:35 PM

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L,
. Know you as a long time poster and have a great deal of respect for you; don't want to get into a p. Contest, but I think It's unfair to say there were plenty of guys out there. Who ? And what were the cap implications.
. Brown is horrible? I don't know that, I know he was good enough to start on a very good team, and bad enough to be removed in the middle of a game. What scheme was he in? Did he have A problem year? Will he benefit from our scheme and coaching.? How,much cap do you want to tie up on a back up anyway. And that's always my gripe, critics act as if there s no cap.
. I think you rate priorities you go after the CB from Seattle, you get a chance at Cromartie and your scout say he's a difference maker...so you invest. All your in depth reports say Jon has to be resigned, so you prioritize and you invest. You get a chance for the kid from Balt. You,meet with the smartest people in football, you read all the detailed,and,voluminous reports, you decide he makes the D better AND provides a back up at MLB, so you invest again. You make Schwartz a priority because maybe he's a superb guard and a back up OLT. Now you have limited resources extremely limited. You research for weeks,refer to extensive data bases, scouting reports, film libraries, you reach out to buddys at Miami, New Orleans (maybe Peyton himself), and Denver. You agonize, hold,more meetings and brain pick. You decide that Reese, Walton and Brown represent good upsides and that you can get them with the limited money left. You pull the trigger, you recognize the potential for bust exists, but you keep that relative to the alternatives.
Casual fans sit back and offer non specifics "there were plenty of free agents available, Brown is awful,Reese is just as bad, Walton hasn't played in two years.
And, of course, they are entitled. After all, they always know what should have been called on that third and long that didn't work.
That ability to second guess is an essential empowering attraction of the sport.
. Fact is, we are more equipped to argue against a physicist who supports quantum Mechanics and maintains that a particle can be in two places at once.
I disagree , I took science 101 in high school thirty years ago (or started at left guard).
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Posted: 6/26/2014 5:02 PM

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Grizz299 wrote: L,
. Know you as a long time poster and have a great deal of respect for you; don't want to get into a p. Contest, but I think It's unfair to say there were plenty of guys out there. Who ? And what were the cap implications.
. Brown is horrible? I don't know that, I know he was good enough to start on a very good team, and bad enough to be removed in the middle of a game. What scheme was he in? Did he have A problem year? Will he benefit from our scheme and coaching.? How,much cap do you want to tie up on a back up anyway. And that's always my gripe, critics act as if there s no cap.
. I think you rate priorities you go after the CB from Seattle, you get a chance at Cromartie and your scout say he's a difference maker...so you invest. All your in depth reports say Jon has to be resigned, so you prioritize and you invest. You get a chance for the kid from Balt. You,meet with the smartest people in football, you read all the detailed,and,voluminous reports, you decide he makes the D better AND provides a back up at MLB, so you invest again. You make Schwartz a priority because maybe he's a superb guard and a back up OLT. Now you have limited resources extremely limited. You research for weeks,refer to extensive data bases, scouting reports, film libraries, you reach out to buddys at Miami, New Orleans (maybe Peyton himself), and Denver. You agonize, hold,more meetings and brain pick. You decide that Reese, Walton and Brown represent good upsides and that you can get them with the limited money left. You pull the trigger, you recognize the potential for bust exists, but you keep that relative to the alternatives.
Casual fans sit back and offer non specifics "there were plenty of free agents available, Brown is awful,Reese is just as bad, Walton hasn't played in two years.
And, of course, they are entitled. After all, they always know what should have been called on that third and long that didn't work.
That ability to second guess is an essential empowering attraction of the sport.
. Fact is, we are more equipped to argue against a physicist who supports quantum Mechanics and maintains that a particle can be in two places at once.
I disagree , I took science 101 in high school thirty years ago (or started at left guard).
Excellent post Grizz.  I was also wondering which FA's leagued was speaking about who were available in the spring.  The only thing I would add to your post is to remind (especially myself) that rebuilding the OL was always thought to be more than a one year process.  the rapid decline of Snee, the ongoing injuries to Baas and the failure of the backups to play at a pro level plus Beatty's woes left the line in a shambles, so bad that it would be nearly impossible to fix all the holes after one FA period and one draft.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 12:16 AM

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Grizz299 wrote: L,
. Know you as a long time poster and have a great deal of respect for you; don't want to get into a p. Contest, but I think It's unfair to say there were plenty of guys out there. Who ? And what were the cap implications.
. Brown is horrible? I don't know that, I know he was good enough to start on a very good team, and bad enough to be removed in the middle of a game. What scheme was he in? Did he have A problem year? Will he benefit from our scheme and coaching.? How,much cap do you want to tie up on a back up anyway. And that's always my gripe, critics act as if there s no cap.
. I think you rate priorities you go after the CB from Seattle, you get a chance at Cromartie and your scout say he's a difference maker...so you invest. All your in depth reports say Jon has to be resigned, so you prioritize and you invest. You get a chance for the kid from Balt. You,meet with the smartest people in football, you read all the detailed,and,voluminous reports, you decide he makes the D better AND provides a back up at MLB, so you invest again. You make Schwartz a priority because maybe he's a superb guard and a back up OLT. Now you have limited resources extremely limited. You research for weeks,refer to extensive data bases, scouting reports, film libraries, you reach out to buddys at Miami, New Orleans (maybe Peyton himself), and Denver. You agonize, hold,more meetings and brain pick. You decide that Reese, Walton and Brown represent good upsides and that you can get them with the limited money left. You pull the trigger, you recognize the potential for bust exists, but you keep that relative to the alternatives.
Casual fans sit back and offer non specifics "there were plenty of free agents available, Brown is awful,Reese is just as bad, Walton hasn't played in two years.
And, of course, they are entitled. After all, they always know what should have been called on that third and long that didn't work.
That ability to second guess is an essential empowering attraction of the sport.
. Fact is, we are more equipped to argue against a physicist who supports quantum Mechanics and maintains that a particle can be in two places at once.
I disagree , I took science 101 in high school thirty years ago (or started at left guard).
Amazingly, you managed to completely ignore the fact that "the smartest people in football" were the ones that tied up the cap with back loaded contracts and your scouts recommended all those O lineman in the middle of the draft that didn't pan out. Blind trust always ends badly. Just because someone has attained a leadership position does NOT mean they are necessarily qualified for said position and/or that they cannot fail. Bottom line, even the most biased homer has to admit the Giants never went on a free agent spending spree before. It was not how the Giants built their teams. This year they did. Why? Sheer desperation. That's admitting the roster had rotted from within and they simply could not stockpile enough draft picks to make up the difference. Whether you want to categorize Brown as "awful" or not, fact is he got benched because he simply was not able to protect a QB that is considerably more mobile than Eli is. As for Jerry, I believe PFT quoted one NFC East scout as saying Jerry was the kind of player you couldn't pay the Giants to sign in the past. Again, it reeks of desperation. Which begs the obvious question - who got the team into that state? One man sits on top and that's JR. You guys can't roll out "In JR I trust" and "Two Super Bowls" and then say, well, the Giants make draft decisions by committee, it's all Gilbride's fault, the O line all got old, etc., etc. If you want to heap praise upon the man then you damn well better be ready for well deserved criticism to come his way when he fails. The team at the end of the season was broken. JR went on a buying spree in the hope of getting it fixed. Maybe he will pull it off. Maybe he won't. But, either way, fans have EVERY right to say the emperor has no clothes - because he doesn't. You want to flatter the emperor by saying how beautiful you find his robes, go right ahead. That's your right. But don't call out leagued for stating the obvious. It is JR's mess. Let's hope he found enough band-aids to stem the bleeding. We all know that the final record was not an indicator of the true state of the team. It was compiled because the Giants played in the weakest division in the League and had three games against backup QBs. All anyone needs to know about the 2013 Giants is when they played the eventual champs, Seattle, they were not able to cross the 50 yard line until the fourth quarter was halfway done. Think about that for a second. For three and half quarters, they could not move the ball past the 50. It was an embarrassment and, for all the "Legion of Boom" hype, it was Seattle's only shut out of the year. You don't want to "argue" with results like that? Okay. Me, I think those are exactly the kind of results that should make any organization take a long look at itself and ask how did it get this bad.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 1:15 AM

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Snee needs to "MAN UP"!
Don't pull a DD...but it's worse than that.

Snee has had now some serious operations
and for the good of his family...."should" step
down and let the young take over. The longer
he stays...the worse it'll be for the fans to
accept  the fact that...it could be all about the money
involved.
We already accept him for the warrior he was over
the years...but don't push the envelope.
He has to realize that the longer he stays with
broken bones and body...the harder it is for TC.

Only way out! The organization..buys out his contract
for an acceptable amount for both parties and allow
us to sign another OL...

Come on Snee...
YOU know....and so do we......LET THE YOUNG HAVE

THEIR CHANCE!

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Posted: 6/27/2014 10:02 AM

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I try to address your,points D , but you always slide away practicing and perfecting an avoidance that really speaks to an agenda.
U challenge you for,maybe the tenth time to answer specific questions:
1. What franchise has done better than us over the last decade?

I suspect that you might say NE, but they haven't won in ten years, have never won without the advantage of cheating. Moreover, they have a better QB and play in a weaker division and conference.
. You might say Pitts. But their wins were against weAk opponents the on the road wins,we had to accomplish was against the most cumulative wins ever.
. If I,were to concede the point then we are the third best over the decade.
. That relentlessly reduces your argument to a personal vendetta, driven by something other than logic. You can not be among the very best teams over a decade with anything other than good management.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 10:29 AM

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question no 2 ( this is assuming you found,away not to answer no 1...again

Do you believe that the type of dynasty that Lombardi, Landry created can be duplicated?

. My answer..
You saw the decline of Pitts last year, I don't think that's a coincidence. There are a host of factors,in the,modern game that Landry,Lombardi/Brown etc didn't have to face.
. 1. The modern athlete is fragile. Giffords Giants started virtually the same crew for ten years. Modern teams are subject to a capricious injury bug.
. 2. Strength of scedule.
. 3. Free agency...Nolls had that team of all stars, not only would a crew like,that have been impossible to assemble it would,have fragmented almost,immediately.
. 4. The cap. You make a,prudent judgment you tie up money in a cap and bingo you lose fine supporting players. Balt. wins a Superbowl, rewards Flacco, the wide receiver leaves, its unlikely Balt. Wins again.
. 5. The evolution of the sport means the technological advantages Brown, Landry, welsch and Lombardi used to drive their dynasties will not happen. Mozart and Hayden developed the symphony orchestra, Beethovan took it to new heights and it peaked.
6. Deeper talent pools. Doak Walker retired after winning the MVP, he couldn't afford to continue to play. John Unitas installed floors in the off season. The deeper talent pushes parity.

You are haranguing and defiling a management group because you want to win every year. Ain't happening.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 10:56 AM

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#3.
Since you bring up Seattle:
. DO YOU REALIZE THE ADVANTAGES THAT SEATTLE ENJOYED AND THAT MADE COMPETING WITH THEM ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE?
. 1. Seattle got their QB in the 6th round or after he'd been passed on some 180 plus times. We gave up piks , add what we gave up to the five they saved and that's about 8 hi piks they enjoyed. And how stupid were they to let everyone of the 32 teams pass on him some five or six times. PURE LUCK

. 2. SEATTLE WAS CRAPPY FOR YEARS. The NFL penalizing winning like the nyg's have been doing. This meant higher draft picks, less losses to free agency and greater cap room to sign free agency.

. 3. THE LABOR CONTRACT FAVORED SEATTLE.
. For years rooks seldom start. In the first yr. After the contract four rooks make the playoffs. Limiting a rooks salary means tons of cap room and cap room means better players.
. Conclusion: Seattle had excellent management and a host if advantages including a huge home field advantage and a relatively injury,free season that made them hard to beat.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 11:50 AM

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As always apologies for typos, excessive commas, thoughts poorly developed, typing on a cellphone is torturous and impeded by a system that's falsely intuitive.
. And it's fruitless, what will come back is, " the super bowls were lucky and barely count; we were lousy last year and there's your proof...this management team sucks".
Fact is, I think the unremitting, non nuanced negativism is driven by a need not facts. Until they attempt to tell us how many franchises have been better over the past decade, they have no credibility.

Objectively we have been the beat team of the last decade, or , worst case scenario, among the best. In these highly competitive times when winning brings penalties, that can only happen with a superb management team.
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