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Jayron Hosley suspended 1st 4 games

Posted: 6/4/2014 3:07 PM

Jayron Hosley suspended 1st 4 games 


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Posted: 6/4/2014 3:50 PM

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Not a big football loss. He had an uphill battle to make the team before the suspension.

I guess everyone gets to get back up on their soapbox now and tell us how this kid can't follow rules and isn't "trustworthy."
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Posted: 6/4/2014 4:29 PM

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DocGooden wrote: Not a big football loss. He had an uphill battle to make the team before the suspension.

I guess everyone gets to get back up on their soapbox now and tell us how this kid can't follow rules and isn't "trustworthy."
Doc while I respect your opinions, I don't understand your argument;

If I am your employer and I am paying you hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars and one of the stipulations I put on you is do not do drugs and I will be testing to see if you do and if you test positive you will be suspended and quite possibly fired, yet you do those drugs anyways, what does that say to me?  It says to me that you really don't care.  This isn't a moral high ground stand or a soap box, as a fan this is very disappointing that these guys are really willing to risk it all just to get high. I am not questioning the act as a whole, I'd be a hypocrite if I did, but these guys are letting their team mates down, they are letting their fans down. I have no sympathy for them.  Move on without them, find someone else who can follow the rules.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 4:34 PM

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EliMcAdoo2014 wrote: Weed
I read it was for violating the substance abuse policy, nothing about it being weed, and the reality is, I could care a less what it was for,  if St. Josephs baby aspirin were on the lists of banned substances and he used it anyway then he deserves the suspension.  This isn't about whether or not you think weed is or isn't a big deal, currently the NFL says if you do it you will be suspended, its pretty much a no-duh factor, if you want to keep your job then keep clean.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 5:05 PM

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CgkenBMC wrote:
DocGooden wrote: Not a big football loss. He had an uphill battle to make the team before the suspension.

I guess everyone gets to get back up on their soapbox now and tell us how this kid can't follow rules and isn't "trustworthy."
Doc while I respect your opinions, I don't understand your argument;

If I am your employer and I am paying you hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars and one of the stipulations I put on you is do not do drugs and I will be testing to see if you do and if you test positive you will be suspended and quite possibly fired, yet you do those drugs anyways, what does that say to me?  It says to me that you really don't care.  This isn't a moral high ground stand or a soap box, as a fan this is very disappointing that these guys are really willing to risk it all just to get high. I am not questioning the act as a whole, I'd be a hypocrite if I did, but these guys are letting their team mates down, they are letting their fans down. I have no sympathy for them.  Move on without them, find someone else who can follow the rules.
CgkenBMC, you're not wrong, I just can't get there. Some quick thoughts:

1. Dweez has posted extensively about the hypocrisy of the NFL banning weed while pumping players full of painkillers.

2. Lots of players are high on Vicodin and other powerful drugs during games. Why should anyone care if players smoke weed during their personal time?

3. Players are risking long-term mental impairment. The fact that they launch their bodies at full speed over and over again suggests that they have "risk seeking" personalities (or at least are not "risk averse") So, why not risk suspension for a better pain management solution?

4. Players are hurt all the time. Their bodies are aching. They should be allowed to use weed for pain management purposes.

5 Current players are saying the majority of players smoke weed. So, this isn't about following rules, it's about not getting caught.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 5:06 PM

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CgkenBMC wrote:
EliMcAdoo2014 wrote: Weed
I read it was for violating the substance abuse policy, nothing about it being weed, and the reality is, I could care a less what it was for,  if St. Josephs baby aspirin were on the lists of banned substances and he used it anyway then he deserves the suspension.  This isn't about whether or not you think weed is or isn't a big deal, currently the NFL says if you do it you will be suspended, its pretty much a no-duh factor, if you want to keep your job then keep clean.
He tested positive for marijuana prior to his draft, so it isn't a stretch to assume...
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Posted: 6/4/2014 5:22 PM

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DocGooden wrote:
CgkenBMC wrote:
DocGooden wrote: Not a big football loss. He had an uphill battle to make the team before the suspension.

I guess everyone gets to get back up on their soapbox now and tell us how this kid can't follow rules and isn't "trustworthy."
Doc while I respect your opinions, I don't understand your argument;

If I am your employer and I am paying you hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars and one of the stipulations I put on you is do not do drugs and I will be testing to see if you do and if you test positive you will be suspended and quite possibly fired, yet you do those drugs anyways, what does that say to me?  It says to me that you really don't care.  This isn't a moral high ground stand or a soap box, as a fan this is very disappointing that these guys are really willing to risk it all just to get high. I am not questioning the act as a whole, I'd be a hypocrite if I did, but these guys are letting their team mates down, they are letting their fans down. I have no sympathy for them.  Move on without them, find someone else who can follow the rules.
CgkenBMC, you're not wrong, I just can't get there. Some quick thoughts:

1. Dweez has posted extensively about the hypocrisy of the NFL banning weed while pumping players full of painkillers.

2. Lots of players are high on Vicodin and other powerful drugs during games. Why should anyone care if players smoke weed during their personal time?

3. Players are risking long-term mental impairment. The fact that they launch their bodies at full speed over and over again suggests that they have "risk seeking" personalities (or at least are not "risk averse") So, why not risk suspension for a better pain management solution?

4. Players are hurt all the time. Their bodies are aching. They should be allowed to use weed for pain management purposes.

5 Current players are saying the majority of players smoke weed. So, this isn't about following rules, it's about not getting caught.
Doc,

   I agree %100 with all of the above, no arguments on any of that;

I have some personal opinions about what they risk or don't risk, and at the risk of starting a firestorm I will keep them to myself.  And I honestly don't care what they do on their off time, heck LT admitted to being high while playing, the only point I am trying to make is that currently the NFL has said no to weed, if they decide next year to allow it, then outstanding, but really right now, players know they can lose their job if they do it and yet they continue to do it to that I say they are getting what they deserve.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 5:23 PM

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DocGooden wrote:
CgkenBMC wrote:
EliMcAdoo2014 wrote: Weed
I read it was for violating the substance abuse policy, nothing about it being weed, and the reality is, I could care a less what it was for,  if St. Josephs baby aspirin were on the lists of banned substances and he used it anyway then he deserves the suspension.  This isn't about whether or not you think weed is or isn't a big deal, currently the NFL says if you do it you will be suspended, its pretty much a no-duh factor, if you want to keep your job then keep clean.
He tested positive for marijuana prior to his draft, so it isn't a stretch to assume...
Thanks, should of researched a bit more, the current article just said substance abuse.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:56 PM

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I'll be surprised if Hosley makes the team, regardless of this suspension. 

He doesn't stand out on specials and he is a liability in coverage.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:59 PM

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I really try to understand the mindset of the the Will Hill's and the Jayron Hosley's, etc..   I can't.  When I was young there was a thing called the draft, Vietnam, and all the strange crap that happened in the 1960's and early 70's. Different times. My point is that we all have tough times in our lives.   I came home and lived a somewhat normal life in that I worked for 40 years and retired.  My wife and I are living fairly comfortably.  We just hope that the economy doesn't go totally south in our lifetimes.  Back to the subject.  As much as I try to understand young people just living for now and not thinking about their futures, I just can't.  These young men have an opportunity that most of us never had or will ever will have and they don't give a crap.   It is more important to them to get high, no matter the consequences.  These young men may have had tough upbringings but they are now adults.  I just do not understand..
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Posted: 6/4/2014 11:13 PM

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A long long time ago in a galaxy far away there was a movie titled Too Much Too Soon.  Success at a young age is very difficult to deal with.  Complicating what is already inherently tough is that many players are pampered and tolerated to the point where they enter the NFL feeling entitled and the rules do not apply to them.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 11:31 PM

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What a wasted draft pick. I'm sick over cutting Hill but who cares about this guy.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 7:33 AM

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What should and shouldn't be allowed is a different argument. This kid broke the rules, a simple rule that like Hill, may cost him the one and only chance he has in his lifetime to make a lot of money. Just plain stupid. I have zero sympathy.
DocGooden wrote:


1. Dweez has posted extensively about the hypocrisy of the NFL banning weed while pumping players full of painkillers.

2. Lots of players are high on Vicodin and other powerful drugs during games. Why should anyone care if players smoke weed during their personal time?

3. Players are risking long-term mental impairment. The fact that they launch their bodies at full speed over and over again suggests that they have "risk seeking" personalities (or at least are not "risk averse") So, why not risk suspension for a better pain management solution?

4. Players are hurt all the time. Their bodies are aching. They should be allowed to use weed for pain management purposes.

5 Current players are saying the majority of players smoke weed. So, this isn't about following rules, it's about not getting caught.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 7:47 AM

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For this post I'll focus on the player we are losing (there is probably a good chance he gets released now). Hosley was a third round pick in the 2012 NFL Draft. He has never amounted to anything and has proven to be injury-prone for most of his career. In the second half of last season it did look like a light bulb finally went off for Hosley and that he was starting to get it. He's still a young player and he could have added some talented depth to the Giants, but now he's probably a goner. The Giants can just as easily sign an undrafted CB or a lower tier FA cornerback to take his place. Someone that won't be suspended for the first quarter of the season. If the Giants hadn't signed DRC and Thurmond, then I would be very concerned about this loss, but now it doesn't really matter all that much....unless a few starters go down with injuries in the preseason (knocks on wood, literally).

Good teams rely on their stars,
Great teams rely on each other.

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Posted: 6/5/2014 9:14 AM

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It all matters. Context always matters. Unless we live in a cartoonish world where everything is black and white? I see shades of grey everywhere,

Jayron Hosley tested positive for marijuana at his draft combine in 2012. Hosley wrote a letter to all of the NFL teams apologizing for his "mistake." Perhaps if he writes another letter???...

After the draft, Jerry Reese said of Hosley: "He's not the first one to have a situation like that (failed drug test)." Reese then went on to compare Hosley to Pacman Jones. Hmmm. This was right before Reese labeling Adrien Robinson the "JPP of tight ends."

Marc Ross compared Hosley to Mario Manningham. As we know, Manningham failed a couple of drug tests in college and lied to NFL teams about it before coming clean. Manningham was also arrested after being caught with weed and Vicodin. Then it was revealed he had a doctor's prescription for the Vicodin, an opiod narcotic known to be highly addictive and often abused by users. One of the side effects of Vicodin is death... (Please give me weed before you ever give me Vicodin).

Interesting that Reese and Ross thought to compare Hosley to players like Pacman and Manningham.

Then we move to Will Hill. This was in the draft summary written up on Hill by rivals: "very immature with questionable character - lacks focus and discipline and could embarrass an organization."

The Giants knew Hill could potentially embarrass the organization. They knew he had a history of bragging on social media about his pot smoking.

So, did Will Hill embarrass the Giants and the NFL? When you consider Aaron Hernandez, Dave Meggett, Darren Sharper, Mark Ingram, Lawrence Taylor, Richie Incognito, Pacman Jones, Plaxico Burress, Jeremiah Parker, Ray Rice, Rolando McClain, Titus Young, the guy on the Cowboys who killed his teammate in a drunk driving accident, and the dozens of players arrested every year... No, I don't think Will Hill embarrassed the organization.

Can you imagine a world where that Cowboys player is back in the league after he gets out of jail, while Will Hill gets banned for life? Kill your teammate and serve your time? Not a problem. Smoke weed? Go directly to Guantanamo...do not pass go...do not collect $200.

For all we know, the NFL's ban against weed could be lifted next season and Will Hill could become a Pro Bowl safety for the Patriots all while toking his way through the off-season. Who can say?

The Giants knew what they were getting with Hosley and Hill. Just as they knew what they were getting with Ahmad Bradshaw, Michael Boley, Andre Brown, Tyler Sash, Rocky Bernard, Christian Peter, and countless other players they have gambled on despite drug and criminal histories.

This tells me that following the rules is actually less important by NFL standards than staying off the radar and not getting caught... with shades of grey.

Of course, the Giants may have seen the light and are done with drafting and signing drug users and players with criminal history. Perhaps that is why they drafted so many team captains this year?

Here's hoping from now on John Jerry stays far away from Richie Incognito's cocaine parties. Honestly, I can no longer keep up with all the crap going on in the NFL and pro sports. So I judge slowly.


Cowboysforumadminssuck wrote: What should and shouldn't be allowed is a different argument. This kid broke the rules, a simple rule that like Hill, may cost him the one and only chance he has in his lifetime to make a lot of money. Just plain stupid. I have zero sympathy.
DocGooden wrote:


1. Dweez has posted extensively about the hypocrisy of the NFL banning weed while pumping players full of painkillers.

2. Lots of players are high on Vicodin and other powerful drugs during games. Why should anyone care if players smoke weed during their personal time?

3. Players are risking long-term mental impairment. The fact that they launch their bodies at full speed over and over again suggests that they have "risk seeking" personalities (or at least are not "risk averse") So, why not risk suspension for a better pain management solution?

4. Players are hurt all the time. Their bodies are aching. They should be allowed to use weed for pain management purposes.

5 Current players are saying the majority of players smoke weed. So, this isn't about following rules, it's about not getting caught.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 10:30 AM

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The NFL makes itself look stupid by testing for weed. The reason behind the ban is to make a show of being stand-up members of the community, standing for players being role models, falling in line with mainstream values to make the game maximally marketable to the largest segment of society.

But the fact is, this policy is backfiring.  Instead of demosntrating how "upstanding" the players are, we are just revealing how commonplace the use of weed is within the NFL.  By testing and then publicly suspending offenders, the NFL is inadvertently publicizing the use of weed by its "role models."

In the face of states legalizing the drug, the growing knowledge that it is non-addictive, non-performance enhancing and its increasing usage as a legitimate treatment for various medical conditions the entire matter is becoming a joke.  Testing for weed is looking more and more arbitrary and pointless, not to mention futile. 

And this from a non-user.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 12:16 PM

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Posted: 6/5/2014 2:25 PM

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CgkenBMC wrote:
DocGooden wrote: Not a big football loss. He had an uphill battle to make the team before the suspension.

I guess everyone gets to get back up on their soapbox now and tell us how this kid can't follow rules and isn't "trustworthy."
Doc while I respect your opinions, I don't understand your argument;

If I am your employer and I am paying you hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars and one of the stipulations I put on you is do not do drugs and I will be testing to see if you do and if you test positive you will be suspended and quite possibly fired, yet you do those drugs anyways, what does that say to me?  It says to me that you really don't care.  This isn't a moral high ground stand or a soap box, as a fan this is very disappointing that these guys are really willing to risk it all just to get high. I am not questioning the act as a whole, I'd be a hypocrite if I did, but these guys are letting their team mates down, they are letting their fans down. I have no sympathy for them.  Move on without them, find someone else who can follow the rules.
Not a valid comparison. Name another employer that routinely pumps you full of drugs prior to work. I think you might view it differently if your employer saw you get hurt on the job, gave you shots and/or pills to deaden the pain, then patted you on the butt and said " Back to work, champ!".
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Posted: 6/5/2014 4:09 PM

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our secondary is below par...but..after watching closely...he sux...end of story...no big deal

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Posted: 6/5/2014 9:55 PM

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So now the story about Will Hill trashing the house he rented and refusing to pay for the damages.... so it's not just pot smoking, breaking the rules, whatever we call it. He's a dirtbag and I'm glad he's gone.
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