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Would you trade our 2nd round pick for Sammy Watkins?

Posted: 4/5/2014 3:52 PM

Would you trade our 2nd round pick for Sammy Watkins? 


Here's a scenario for you

Say the draft plays out like this

1. Texans - Clowney
2. Rams - Robinson
3. Jags - Bortles
4. Raiders - Bridgewater
5. Browns - Manziel

Falcons wanna trade down to get Lewan

We give them our 2nd round pick to jump to 6 and take Watkins, jumping the Bucs who would no doubt take him at 7. Revenge for them jumping us to take Doug Martin.

Watkins would elevate our offense mightily. I say go for it.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 4:15 PM

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"Watkins would elevate our offense mightily."

LOL...Is Sammy Watkins going to block for us? Because if we have a crap oline like we had last year Sammy Watkins isn't going to do squat for us except cost us picks.  We need at least OG and C. We have to get both. We also could use OT because we have no idea what Beatty is going to be like. IF we don't draft some oline talent like a lewan or zach martin,marcus martin, etc Watkins will do nothing just like the rest of our wr's will do nothing, just like our WR's did nothing last year. We'll have another wr that won't get the ball becqause eli is getting drilled into the ground. He'll be useless just like the rest of our crap passing and running game was last year. Chasing sammy watkins is a bad idea when we have no offensive line. and need all the picks and players we can get. I would not want us to move up and lose picks. We need all the damn picks we can get. Our #2 pick (and likely more picks to move up)could be a very good wr. this draft is wr deep. Benjamin with our #2. Nice we got an extra 5th I'd hate to lose it. I'd rather take a shot at a young LB or rb with thaat fifth.

We would just have to give up way too much to move up and you damn well better be 100% sure you are getting a #1 BPA in the draft. Is Sammy Watkins a true #1 WR that's GUARANTEED not to fail? What if he's not? I'd hate to take that risk and give up tons of picks when we need so much help everywhere. What if he gets hurt in camp like Prince did and is the next Adrien Robinson, And can't get on the field. We need to keep or get more picks in this draft to fill OL,/WR OT&OG, TE, DL, LB, RB ,We have so many needs and so many positions to fill. I'd be much happier if we traded down and grabbed a Xavier Sia'Filo or Zach Martin and ADD picks. WE ADD picks we use them on another WR. Lots of depth at wr this year. An extra pick or two could make a big difference going forward. We are rebuilding. Take a Marquise Lee AND a Kelvin Benjamin or Odell Beckam, or Donte Montcrief. TWO is better than one. With TWO you increase your chances of getting a great player. How about Marquise Lee, Donte Montcrief, Victor Cruz, Randle. I'd be nice if Eli could stay upright.

ARe we a WR Sammy Watkins away from being SB contenders? I don't think we are even playoff contenders at this point, we have lots of rebuilding to do. We lost Linval Joseph and Tuck. Are going to be OK on our DL. We need a pass rusher. Moore hasn't done squat and we have no idea if Hankins will be able to fill LJ's shoes. When you need to rebuild like we do you need as many picks as you can get.
FIRST AND FOREMOST We need to build a road grading oline before we get that top wr/te/rb. That's how you do it right. If we can't block like last year Sammy Watkins isn't going to do crap for us. Well except cost us picks.
We absolutely without question need an infusion of youth and talent along the OL. I'd hate to take a gamble on Watkins and he blows up his knee, or is hurt(heard of Adrien Ronbinson) or turns into a prima donna wr. I like obtaining picks. The more picks you have the more chances you strike gold.
I'd rather Take tAYLOR Lewan or Aaron Donald if they want him, or maybe Evans, Marquise Lee or Benjamin over watkins. Or move down a bit and snag Zach Martin or Xavier Si'aFilo and an extra pick to be used on another WR. Lots of good wr's in the second and third.
FIx the damn oline that should be our focus. It has to be. Mara said ol is top priority.

IN REESE WE TRUST!

Last edited 4/5/2014 8:29 PM by NYGIANTSSB46

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Posted: 4/5/2014 5:06 PM

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1st Watkins

3rd CJ Fied.

4th Stork
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Posted: 4/5/2014 5:10 PM

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No, but I would do it for Mack
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Posted: 4/5/2014 5:12 PM

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Assuming all it would take to move up is a #2? lol good luck with that......and what about guard, ot, dl, lb, rb etc. And Eli just got mashed into the ground for one of MANY sacks because our oline is crap....
I'd love to have a Sammy Watkins on this team we need a new #1 WR no doubt. But I think I'd rather like to have Taylor Lewan and a Marquise Lee, or Odell Beckham, Kelvin Benjamin, Donte Montcrief and all our picks.
EliMcAdoo2014 wrote: 1st Watkins

3rd CJ Fied.

4th Stork

IN REESE WE TRUST!

Last edited 4/5/2014 5:18 PM by NYGIANTSSB46

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Posted: 4/5/2014 5:16 PM

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Is he Calvin Johnson? No
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Posted: 4/5/2014 7:46 PM

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Thank you NYGIANT. to think otherwise is folly. Cogent, well presented and so persuasive that there is no room left for a counter argument.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 9:33 PM

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There is only one guy the Giants will trade up for, imo, and that's Clowney. He just fits their draft style...

ALL IN, ALL THE TIME!!

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Posted: 4/5/2014 9:38 PM

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NYGIANTSSB46 wrote: Assuming all it would take to move up is a #2? lol good luck with that......and what about guard, ot, dl, lb, rb etc. And Eli just got mashed into the ground for one of MANY sacks because our oline is crap....
I'd love to have a Sammy Watkins on this team we need a new #1 WR no doubt. But I think I'd rather like to have Taylor Lewan and a Marquise Lee, or Odell Beckham, Kelvin Benjamin, Donte Montcrief and all our picks.
EliMcAdoo2014 wrote: 1st Watkins

3rd CJ Fied.

4th Stork
You make an excellent point I agree 100%, right now we could have Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, Chris Carter all in their prime but our passing game would go nowhere because we don`t have a solid OL.
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Posted: 4/6/2014 9:04 AM

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Most of our OL signings are actually pretty good pass blockers. Brown should only be a backup, so his pass blocking deficiencies shouldn't matter. I do feel we will add depth on the OL through the draft. All depends on who is there @12.

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NYGIANTSSB46 wrote: Assuming all it would take to move up is a #2? lol good luck with that......and what about guard, ot, dl, lb, rb etc. And Eli just got mashed into the ground for one of MANY sacks because our oline is crap....
I'd love to have a Sammy Watkins on this team we need a new #1 WR no doubt. But I think I'd rather like to have Taylor Lewan and a Marquise Lee, or Odell Beckham, Kelvin Benjamin, Donte Montcrief and all our picks.
EliMcAdoo2014 wrote: 1st Watkins

3rd CJ Fied.

4th Stork
You make an excellent point I agree 100%, right now we could have Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, Chris Carter all in their prime but our passing game would go nowhere because we don`t have a solid OL.

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ALL IN, ALL THE TIME!!

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Posted: 4/6/2014 11:28 AM

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No.  I would actually trade down if evans or ebron are not there.  Pickung it high teens and adding another late 2 would be ideal
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Posted: 4/6/2014 4:04 PM

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I will make the pro-Watkins argument. That guy could easily start for us for the next 10 years at WR. It would take more than swapping our first and second round picks to probably get there. But he seems like one of the can't miss guys in this draft. I would trade up for him or Clowney......perhaps irrespective of the cost. Watkins would absolutely solidify our WR corps and would not really require much additional investment for the next few seasons.


NYG......if the Giants were more serious about fixing our OL this year......Snee would have been cut.

At the same time, JR has signed FOUR offensive linemen this offseason that have starting experience. They aren't stellar players......but this is WAY more depth than we started last year with. I agree that another young road grader will be needed......but let's not pretend they have done nothing to assist the o line thus far.


This Giants roster is currently a playoff eligible one......even before the draft. The secondary is vastly better looking......we brought back Beason which should help us at least stabilize the LB level of the D. Only the d line at this time is weaker. I think this has been one of our better off seasons in sometime. With a decent draft, it could be a really good season for us.


Now......we are not in the same department as the Seahawks or Niners......but this roster should help us compete for the division championship if we stay healthy.
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Posted: 4/6/2014 4:29 PM

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Here is why I hate moving up in the first round:

Would you trade Pugh and Cruz for A.J. Greene?

It's a comparable scenario... Greene is better than Cruz, but you sacrifice another starter that you need to get a little better player at one position... you lose one player to do that!

I certainly am against such irresponsible moves.
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Posted: 4/6/2014 5:04 PM

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Snee is good depth. He is a past probowl player that has been hurt. It is smart to keep him around to see if he has anything left in the tank. He is cheap insurance and depth. It is a smart move by the giants and does not mean the Giants are not serious about fixing the oline. Mara was serious when he said he wants the oline fixed.

It may take more than just a #2 to move up from 12 to 5 or 6 to where we might be able to draft Watkins. We get Watkins but we lose other players and our oline is still crap and Eli leads the lead in sacks and INT's and our running game is crap too; last in the NFL. We need all the picks and young players we can get. We got some players for OL in FA but they are not the new road grading offensive line that we need to build for Eli's last run. They are very good depth and good additions but we need new starters on OLine.
Beatty, Schwartz, Walton, ? , Pugh.
That is IF Beatty and Walton can even play and play well for us. We need an OT, OG, backup Center to groom.

Eli drops back to pass.....Sammy Watkins streaking down the sideline,......Eli drops back to pass, steps up into the pocket,,,,,(pocket collapses there's nowhere to step up)........

,OHHHHHHHHH my GOD!!!!!! Aaron Donald just destroyed ELI Manning!!!!!! Pass is deflected by Donald,,,,...... and INTERCEPTION for a TD. Aaron Donald's first Defensive touchdown for XXXXXX.
Let's fix the Oline first. Odell Beckham with our #2.

I'd love to have Watkins IF our Oline can protect Eli and we can run the ball.

JeffHostetlerFan wrote:

NYG......if the Giants were more serious about fixing our OL this year......Snee would have been cut.





IN REESE WE TRUST!

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Posted: 4/6/2014 5:05 PM

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XNYrnLA wrote: Here is why I hate moving up in the first round:

Would you trade Pugh and Cruz for A.J. Greene?

It's a comparable scenario... Greene is better than Cruz, but you sacrifice another starter that you need to get a little better player at one position... you lose one player to do that!

I certainly am against such irresponsible moves.
A truly comparable scenario would be to look at our top-two picks from each year.

1. Justin Pugh and Jon Hankins for A.J Greene (maybe)
2. David Wilson and Rueben Randle for A.J. Greene (yes)
3. Prince and Marvin Austin for A.J. Greene (yes)
4. JPP and Linval Joseph for A.J. Greene (no, though some might say yes)
5. Hakeem Nicks and Clint Sintim for A.J. Greene (yes)
6. Kenny Phillips and Terrell Thomas for A.J. Greene (maybe)
7. Aaron Ross and Steve Smith for A.J. Greene (yes)
8. Kiwi and Sinorice Moss for A.J. Greene (yes)

More often than not, you would trade your first and second picks for a truly great player. The real question is, will Sammy Watkins become a great player? If you honestly believe the answer is yes, then you go get him.

*Edit: The one argument against trading up that makes sense to me is that we have higher picks this year than in the past making this year's picks much more valuable.

Last edited 4/6/2014 5:12 PM by DocGooden

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Posted: 4/6/2014 5:46 PM

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Starting to get flashbacks of when some Giants fans were drooling over CJ Spiller.
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Posted: 4/6/2014 6:05 PM

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NYSPORTS98 wrote: Starting to get flashbacks of when some Giants fans were drooling over CJ Spiller.
My flashbacks are over the Rolando McClain madness...tongue
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Posted: 4/6/2014 6:11 PM

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Hey, McClain would have been a good player if he didn't lose his marbles. noidea
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Posted: 4/7/2014 4:39 AM

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DocGooden wrote:
XNYrnLA wrote: Here is why I hate moving up in the first round:

Would you trade Pugh and Cruz for A.J. Greene?

It's a comparable scenario... Greene is better than Cruz, but you sacrifice another starter that you need to get a little better player at one position... you lose one player to do that!

I certainly am against such irresponsible moves.
A truly comparable scenario would be to look at our top-two picks from each year.

1. Justin Pugh and Jon Hankins for A.J Greene (maybe)
2. David Wilson and Rueben Randle for A.J. Greene (yes)
3. Prince and Marvin Austin for A.J. Greene (yes)
4. JPP and Linval Joseph for A.J. Greene (no, though some might say yes)
5. Hakeem Nicks and Clint Sintim for A.J. Greene (yes)
6. Kenny Phillips and Terrell Thomas for A.J. Greene (maybe)
7. Aaron Ross and Steve Smith for A.J. Greene (yes)
8. Kiwi and Sinorice Moss for A.J. Greene (yes)

More often than not, you would trade your first and second picks for a truly great player. The real question is, will Sammy Watkins become a great player? If you honestly believe the answer is yes, then you go get him.

*Edit: The one argument against trading up that makes sense to me is that we have higher picks this year than in the past making this year's picks much more valuable.
That's unfair Doc and you know it... we all know that they have messed up their drafts recently, specially their 2nd rounders have been mostly craps.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 7:35 AM

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XNYrnLA wrote:
DocGooden wrote:
XNYrnLA wrote: Here is why I hate moving up in the first round:

Would you trade Pugh and Cruz for A.J. Greene?

It's a comparable scenario... Greene is better than Cruz, but you sacrifice another starter that you need to get a little better player at one position... you lose one player to do that!

I certainly am against such irresponsible moves.
A truly comparable scenario would be to look at our top-two picks from each year.

1. Justin Pugh and Jon Hankins for A.J Greene (maybe)
2. David Wilson and Rueben Randle for A.J. Greene (yes)
3. Prince and Marvin Austin for A.J. Greene (yes)
4. JPP and Linval Joseph for A.J. Greene (no, though some might say yes)
5. Hakeem Nicks and Clint Sintim for A.J. Greene (yes)
6. Kenny Phillips and Terrell Thomas for A.J. Greene (maybe)
7. Aaron Ross and Steve Smith for A.J. Greene (yes)
8. Kiwi and Sinorice Moss for A.J. Greene (yes)

More often than not, you would trade your first and second picks for a truly great player. The real question is, will Sammy Watkins become a great player? If you honestly believe the answer is yes, then you go get him.

*Edit: The one argument against trading up that makes sense to me is that we have higher picks this year than in the past making this year's picks much more valuable.
That's unfair Doc and you know it... we all know that they have messed up their drafts recently, specially their 2nd rounders have been mostly craps.
That's true but why should we assume they will get the 2nd round pick right this time? If there is an opportunity to trade a 1 and 2 for a great player, why not look at what we've historically gotten out of the 1 and 2 picks?

To me, the question is, is there a great player available? Watkins doesn't have A.J. Green's height, which would make me reluctant to pull the trigger.
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