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Guys, our DL is still lacking a young dynamic 3-technique

Posted: 4/2/2014 12:44 PM

Guys, our DL is still lacking a young dynamic 3-technique 


It's frustrating that the Patterson and Ayers signings has led many of you to believe that our DL is set, and that somehow this takes Aaron Donald out of the equation at 12.

First of all, both Patterson and Ayers are run-stuffers more so than pass-rushers. Neither improve our pass-rush that much. We need PASS-RUSH.

Second of all, Patterson is a backup 1-technique to Hankins. Ayers is a LDE.


RDE - JPP, Kiwi
1-tech - Hankins, Patterson
3-tech - Jenkins
LDE - Ayers, Moore

I'm not even gonna count Kuhn because he's camp fodder at best.

So at the 3-tech we got 33 year old Jenkins and nothing else. So what if Jenkins gets injured or gets worn down (after all, he's 33)?

WE. NEED. DONALD.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 12:56 PM

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EliMcAdoo2014 wrote: It's frustrating that the Patterson and Ayers signings has led many of you to believe that our DL is set, and that somehow this takes Aaron Donald out of the equation at 12.

First of all, both Patterson and Ayers are run-stuffers more so than pass-rushers. Neither improve our pass-rush that much. We need PASS-RUSH.

Second of all, Patterson is a backup 1-technique to Hankins. Ayers is a LDE.


RDE - JPP, Kiwi
1-tech - Hankins, Patterson
3-tech - Jenkins
LDE - Ayers, Moore

I'm not even gonna count Kuhn because he's camp fodder at best.

So at the 3-tech we got 33 year old Jenkins and nothing else. So what if Jenkins gets injured or gets worn down (after all, he's 33)?

WE. NEED. DONALD.
We don't have a starting caliber TE, we don't have a number 1 receiver, we don't have a solid option at C, we don't have a starting caliber WIL LB.  We need a lot and IMO we need those other things more than we need Donald right now.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 1:03 PM

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The Giants lack a lot of things. DT is low on the priority list imo.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 1:07 PM

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mol10e wrote:
EliMcAdoo2014 wrote: It's frustrating that the Patterson and Ayers signings has led many of you to believe that our DL is set, and that somehow this takes Aaron Donald out of the equation at 12.

First of all, both Patterson and Ayers are run-stuffers more so than pass-rushers. Neither improve our pass-rush that much. We need PASS-RUSH.

Second of all, Patterson is a backup 1-technique to Hankins. Ayers is a LDE.


RDE - JPP, Kiwi
1-tech - Hankins, Patterson
3-tech - Jenkins
LDE - Ayers, Moore

I'm not even gonna count Kuhn because he's camp fodder at best.

So at the 3-tech we got 33 year old Jenkins and nothing else. So what if Jenkins gets injured or gets worn down (after all, he's 33)?

WE. NEED. DONALD.
We don't have a starting caliber TE, we don't have a number 1 receiver, we don't have a solid option at C, we don't have a starting caliber WIL LB.  We need a lot and IMO we need those other things more than we need Donald right now.


That's fine, but we could get all those things in the later rounds.

Take Donald in Round 1, worry about the rest later.

"We don't have a starting caliber TE"

We can get one in Rounds 2-4. TE in Round 1 is a waste.

"we don't have a number 1 receiver"

Evans won't be there at 12. The West Coast hybrid offense we are about to run doesn't rely heavily on a "number 1 receiver" like our old scheme did. You just need multiple speedy agile YAC receivers. We have 4 of those.

"we don't have a solid option at C"

Yes we do, we have JD Walton, who will be the starting C based on his contract.

"we don't have a starting caliber WIL LB"

And we don't need one. Jaquian and Paysinger will split reps at that spot.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 1:09 PM

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sooners56giants wrote: The Giants lack a lot of things. DT is low on the priority list imo.
We lack a pass-rush. Donald provides that at the DT spot.

We were one of the WORST pass-rushing teams in football last season, and we've done nothing in the offseason to address that yet.

Therefore pass-rush will be addressed in the draft. What better way to address that than to get the #1 most disruptive interior pass-rusher in the draft?

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Posted: 4/2/2014 1:20 PM

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They are going BPA and its probably going to be a TE, WR, or OLINE
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Posted: 4/2/2014 1:28 PM

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nygiants18 wrote: They are going BPA and its probably going to be a TE, WR, or OLINE

Evans won't be there at 12. He's going Top 10.

O-Line (particularly CENTER) will be addressed in the mid rounds. Our tackles and guards are basically set.

BPA will be Donald.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 1:30 PM

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sooners56giants wrote: The Giants lack a lot of things. DT is low on the priority list imo.
We lack a pass-rush. Donald provides that at the DT spot.

We were one of the WORST pass-rushing teams in football last season, and we've done nothing in the offseason to address that yet.

Therefore pass-rush will be addressed in the draft. What better way to address that than to get the #1 most disruptive interior pass-rusher in the draft?

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Is Donald the only 3 technique DL in this draft?? Maybe they target a 3 technique in rounds 2-6??

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Posted: 4/2/2014 1:31 PM

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EliMcAdoo2014 wrote:
mol10e wrote:
EliMcAdoo2014 wrote: It's frustrating that the Patterson and Ayers signings has led many of you to believe that our DL is set, and that somehow this takes Aaron Donald out of the equation at 12.

First of all, both Patterson and Ayers are run-stuffers more so than pass-rushers. Neither improve our pass-rush that much. We need PASS-RUSH.

Second of all, Patterson is a backup 1-technique to Hankins. Ayers is a LDE.


RDE - JPP, Kiwi
1-tech - Hankins, Patterson
3-tech - Jenkins
LDE - Ayers, Moore

I'm not even gonna count Kuhn because he's camp fodder at best.

So at the 3-tech we got 33 year old Jenkins and nothing else. So what if Jenkins gets injured or gets worn down (after all, he's 33)?

WE. NEED. DONALD.
We don't have a starting caliber TE, we don't have a number 1 receiver, we don't have a solid option at C, we don't have a starting caliber WIL LB.  We need a lot and IMO we need those other things more than we need Donald right now.


That's fine, but we could get all those things in the later rounds.

Take Donald in Round 1, worry about the rest later.

"We don't have a starting caliber TE"

We can get one in Rounds 2-4. TE in Round 1 is a waste.

"we don't have a number 1 receiver"

Evans won't be there at 12. The West Coast hybrid offense we are about to run doesn't rely heavily on a "number 1 receiver" like our old scheme did. You just need multiple speedy agile YAC receivers. We have 4 of those.

"we don't have a solid option at C"

Yes we do, we have JD Walton, who will be the starting C based on his contract.

"we don't have a starting caliber WIL LB"

And we don't need one. Jaquian and Paysinger will split reps at that spot.
So Shockey was a wasted pick, Gonzalez was a wasted pick, etc., etc, etc.  Walton may be able to play but he hasn't played very much for two years.  You don't care much about that or what happens if he is injured?  WIL is arguably the most important LB position in Fewell's defense, but according to you two guys who if fused together couldn't be a starting NFL caliber LB will "split reps".  And you must be with the braintrust at Giant's stadium to know that we are running a WCO even though the new OC and the head coach are still working on what the offense is going to look like.  I don't mind opinions and I don't mind facts, but your spout opinions as if they are facts and I am not real fond of that.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 1:38 PM

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mol10e wrote:
 
We don't have a starting caliber TE, we don't have a number 1 receiver, we don't have a solid option at C, we don't have a starting caliber WIL LB.  We need a lot and IMO we need those other things more than we need Donald right now.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 1:38 PM

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mol10e wrote:
EliMcAdoo2014 wrote: It's frustrating that the Patterson and Ayers signings has led many of you to believe that our DL is set, and that somehow this takes Aaron Donald out of the equation at 12.

First of all, both Patterson and Ayers are run-stuffers more so than pass-rushers. Neither improve our pass-rush that much. We need PASS-RUSH.

Second of all, Patterson is a backup 1-technique to Hankins. Ayers is a LDE.


RDE - JPP, Kiwi
1-tech - Hankins, Patterson
3-tech - Jenkins
LDE - Ayers, Moore

I'm not even gonna count Kuhn because he's camp fodder at best.

So at the 3-tech we got 33 year old Jenkins and nothing else. So what if Jenkins gets injured or gets worn down (after all, he's 33)?

WE. NEED. DONALD.
We don't have a starting caliber TE, we don't have a number 1 receiver, we don't have a solid option at C, we don't have a starting caliber WIL LB.  We need a lot and IMO we need those other things more than we need Donald right now.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 1:45 PM

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lol - another solid signing followed by "yeah, but we don't have . . . . "

Really?
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Posted: 4/2/2014 1:46 PM

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BigBluePR wrote:
mol10e wrote:
EliMcAdoo2014 wrote: It's frustrating that the Patterson and Ayers signings has led many of you to believe that our DL is set, and that somehow this takes Aaron Donald out of the equation at 12.

First of all, both Patterson and Ayers are run-stuffers more so than pass-rushers. Neither improve our pass-rush that much. We need PASS-RUSH.

Second of all, Patterson is a backup 1-technique to Hankins. Ayers is a LDE.


RDE - JPP, Kiwi
1-tech - Hankins, Patterson
3-tech - Jenkins
LDE - Ayers, Moore

I'm not even gonna count Kuhn because he's camp fodder at best.

So at the 3-tech we got 33 year old Jenkins and nothing else. So what if Jenkins gets injured or gets worn down (after all, he's 33)?

WE. NEED. DONALD.
We don't have a starting caliber TE, we don't have a number 1 receiver, we don't have a solid option at C, we don't have a starting caliber WIL LB.  We need a lot and IMO we need those other things more than we need Donald right now.
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Since YeOld also did the "+1", shouldn't this then be a "+2"?  tongue
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Posted: 4/2/2014 1:47 PM

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I think Evans will be there. I think there's potential holes,in his game,getting off the line against a press,fluid cuts.
three qb's,Clowney the two OLT and Watkins makes seven. Four more picks and he's available. I want Lewan or Zack,then Donald then Evans. But whoever we take...if we take Evans that means the sharpest people in the game ARE NOT worried about his perceived faults, if they take Donald...same thing. It is absolutely silly they way we re driven to second guess superb experts with unlimited resources and almost unlimited time.
Ahhh but I started at Smalltown High thirty years ago....
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Posted: 4/2/2014 1:49 PM

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EliMcAdoo2014 wrote:
Evans won't be there at 12. He's going Top 10.

Most mocks have Evans available at #12.  If Evans is not there and someone completely unexpected doesn't fall (i.e. Matthews), then I could see Donald as the potential pick.  But the latest signing definitely moved him down the rankings a bit.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 2:02 PM

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NewYawka wrote:
EliMcAdoo2014 wrote:
Evans won't be there at 12. He's going Top 10.

Most mocks have Evans available at #12.  If Evans is not there and someone completely unexpected doesn't fall (i.e. Matthews), then I could see Donald as the potential pick.  But the latest signing definitely moved him down the rankings a bit.
I wouldn`t mind having Evans at 12 but what good is a passing game if the OL can`t keep Eli upright??
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Posted: 4/2/2014 2:44 PM

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Also got to think, there is going to be more coverage sacks
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Posted: 4/2/2014 2:55 PM

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If the Giants like Donald and he's our pick I would be very stoked to see him in Blue. The guy is a beast strong as an ox and fast as a bullet.
Get Donald #1 and then Yankey #2 and Stork #5 and our dline and oline is in pretty good shape.

IN REESE WE TRUST!
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Posted: 4/2/2014 3:37 PM

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BigBluePR wrote: 

I wouldn`t mind having Evans at 12 but what good is a passing game if the OL can`t keep Eli upright??
Thank goodness there are more rounds to the draft!!!  biggrin
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Posted: 4/2/2014 5:07 PM

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Well.....I dont think you can ignore Kuhn b/c when he was on the field he wasn't horrible out there.   I think he will get a chance for playing time if he is healthy after recovering from that surgical procedure well into the 2013 season.   


But i agree that Donald is very much in play.   It wouldn't surprise me if Buffalo went after him since they now have Schwartz as their DC.   Although they could go OL as well.     


I guess I'm just happy that the Giants first 2 picks in the draft should net us pretty solid players.     I think JR has provided himself with some flexibility to draft guys that should be able to position themselves to make an immediate contribution.     I would be happy with Evans.....I'd be happy with Donald.   I dont know that I want to trade up for anyone except for Watkins or Clowney.  

Or if the Giants pulled a fast one and traded Eli to the Texans and drafted Johnny Football.   But that would be crazy and is not the Giants way.     I can't see the Giants and TC moving Eli......TC doesn't want to Coach another QB.   


Heck......we don't really need to draft defensive depth except for the D Line.   we can largely focus on offense if we really wanted to.
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