Posted: 11/15/2013 1:06 PM
Posted: 11/15/2013 1:24 PM
BamaBlue wrote: I know we all lament how poorly this season has been going. There has been enough blame to go around, but one of the things that surprised me was the picture that the information below paints.The Giants defense hasn't been as terrible as the scoring would indicate. When you consider the significant number of points given-up by the offense and punt return TD's (42 points) and some of the crappy field position that have been set-up by the offense & specials (e.g., the interception on the first play of the season and the Jernigan opening kickoff fumble last week) that resulted in points off the defense. The only game that stands out as a complete stinker for the defense is the Panthers game.Anyway... I'm interested to share this information and get other opinions on the data that came from rsjem1979 at BBI.Game by Game 1 - @ Dallas: Cowboys 1st FG came after the INT on the season's first play plus two defensive TDs. Defense allowed 19 points. 2 - vs Denver: Broncos had a punt return TD plus a 36 yard TD drive after an Eli INT. Defense allowed 31 points (though I'd argue they played quite well while the offense kicked FGs all 1st half. 3 - @ Carolina: A complete disaster. 38 points4 - @ Kansas City: Punt return TD, KC FG that became a TD after a dumbass penalty on the kick, then a 35-yd TD drive after an Eli Fumble when the game was out of reach. I've got the defense for 13 points. 5 - vs PHI: Eagles had TD drives of 25 and 38 yards after Giants turnovers. Give the defense 22 points. 6 - @CHI: Bears had a pick six. Giants defense allows 20. 7 - vs MIN: Vikings only TD came on a punt return. Defense allows 0.8 - vs PHI: Eagles only TD came on a horrible punt snap. Defense allows 0.9 - vs OAK: 17 of Raiders 20 points are a direct result of Giants turnovers. Defense allows 3. In total, I've got the Giants defense solely responsible for 124 points in 9 games. It's not an exact science, but with the Giants having allowed 243 points, that's a pretty damning statement on the role offensive carelessness has played in that total.
Last edited 11/15/2013 1:34 PM by BigBluePR
Posted: 11/15/2013 1:25 PM
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Last edited 11/15/2013 1:25 PM by leagued
Posted: 11/15/2013 1:30 PM
leagued wrote: Here's an even better statistic: the Giants defense has allowed one touchdown in the last 14 quarters. That is one touchdown in 3 1/2 games. That is AMAZING. I don't care who they are playing. I don't care if it was against the four worst offenses in football, that would be impressive. The "half" game was the second half against the Bears, who have a pretty good offense with Cutler at QB, and the Giants held them out of the endzone in that second half. Then they pitched a shutout at home against the Vikings, who while they were starting a quarterback that had no experience in their system, doesn't change the fact that they have one of the elite running backs in all of football. Then they pitched a shutout in Philadelphia against a team that is red hot since this game and threw for SEVEN touchdowns the week afterward. Then the Giants returned home and gave up only one defensive touchdown to the Raiders. The Giants defense, regardless of what anyone thinks, is playing extremely well right now. I expect the Giants to ride it by playing very conservative on offense until they get into a game where the opposing team scores some points and forces the Giants to open up the offense. It isn't exciting but it works. The 1990 team did it all year and no one minded because they won most of their games. Well, since they've gone to this approach they are 3-0. Let's stick with it.
Posted: 11/15/2013 1:37 PM
Posted: 11/15/2013 1:42 PM
Posted: 11/15/2013 1:57 PM
BamaBlue wrote: One more thing to ponder about the Giants defense... 93 points! That number comes from turnovers. 19 of the 28 turnovers in 2013 have ended with the Giants defense defending from their side of the 50-yard line!So... even the most ardent critic can argue all you want about how bad the defense has been when you look at the stat sheets and the loss column. A little scratching below the surface begins to reveal a pretty significant wrinkle. BBPR... even you have to think that with some improvement in the offense and special teams, the Giants are going to be a lot better than they are now.
Last edited 11/15/2013 2:00 PM by BigBluePR
Posted: 11/15/2013 2:06 PM
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Posted: 11/15/2013 2:46 PM
Posted: 11/15/2013 2:49 PM
YeOldeMtnWasp wrote: I'm not a big stats guy. But my subjective view of the D's play is that they have really picked-it-up in the last 4 games and continue to improve. I think a few easily identifiable things have happened that have contributed to the improvement:A hobbled Webster is no longer out there and McBride has been better.TT getting back has helped. He is an instinctual playmaker.Getting Will Hill in there has really helped, not only making plays himself but freeing Rolle to make plays also.Beason has really helped.JPP is rounding into better shape. Collectively, that has resulted in a less exploitable defense and more plays being made. I reject any notion that the improvement is explained solely by the level of the competition.
Posted: 11/15/2013 2:59 PM
Posted: 11/15/2013 3:26 PM
Posted: 11/15/2013 3:32 PM
BigBluePR wrote: We`ll see how good this defense really is when we go to Detroit to face the Lions and Megatron or at home against the Seahawks
Posted: 11/15/2013 3:37 PM
BamaBlue wrote: BigBluePR wrote: We`ll see how good this defense really is when we go to Detroit to face the Lions and Megatron or at home against the SeahawksOr we can look at what has been happening the past 9 games and see some light at the end of the tunnel.Is this defense good enough to win games, by themselves against the better offenses in the NFL... no. Very few defenses can make that claim with the current offensive oriented rules. Is this defense better than their 3-6 record... I say yes. The evidence is pretty strong when you factor in the catastrophic play of the offense and special teams. If they can get their act together, the Giants can certainly improve on the play of the team over the first 6 games.Yes... football is a team game. The defense appears to be pulling their weight. When will the offense and special teams get into the groove?
Posted: 11/15/2013 3:41 PM
BamaBlue wrote: BigBluePR wrote: When will the offense and special teams get into the groove?
Posted: 11/15/2013 3:46 PM
YeOldeMtnWasp wrote: BamaBlue wrote: BigBluePR wrote: When will the offense and special teams get into the groove?This Sunday, Baby!!!! (giving his best Dickie V. impersonation)
Posted: 11/15/2013 3:58 PM
Posted: 11/15/2013 4:18 PM
EyeC8Thang wrote: Eye see it doesn't take much to impress you. Eye also see you're bias. Nothing impressive about what the Giants D has done. I give them credit for playing hard but that's about it! They are playing with a sense of urgency & tenacity. But impressive? Naw! Impressive would be if Jints D can continue to play @ this level AND do the same to Dal, Wash, SD, Sea, & Det. In other words, elite QB's. Not even talking about winning, just talking about Giants D playing this same way against the elite QB's we'll be facing. If we run the table, then that's another topic in itself.
Last edited 11/15/2013 4:25 PM by BamaBlue
Posted: 11/15/2013 4:43 PM
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