NYgIANts wrote: The Eagles just renegotiated with Vick, which if you ask me spells the end of any reasonable chance that Chip Kelly had at success in Philly.  This guy was already coming in with no NFL experience and he thinks he can somehow recreate his U of Oregon offense in Philly.  Well that's not going to work.  Vick might be the guy on the roster who most looks like a U or Oregon offensive player but he's washed up, injury prone, and simply not effective in the NFL any longer.  Kelly might get a half season of good play out of Vick but long-term it's a losing proposition.

And while we're at it, what does Kelly know about NFL defense?  In all the interviews I've seen with him I've never once seen him talk about defense.  He's all about his college offense, and he's going to somehow succeed with Vick, DeSean Jackson and Maclin?  I just don't see it happening.  This is a feast or famine situation, with the famine much more likely to happen than the feast.

I think the Eagles are in trouble and will be a last place team for the foreseeable future.

In contrast, I expect the Chiefs to vastly improve.....

callmeSage wrote:

I think the Eagles are in trouble and will be a last place team for the foreseeable future.

 

In contrast, I expect the Chiefs to vastly improve.....

 

TheOrigionalEaglesRule wrote: Vick at 3.75M  (over his dead money if released) is a low risk/high reward type of move.     Just maybe his skill set is better suited to Chip's O than it was Reid's.    

I am actually intrigued to see how he does with an offense that only passes 20-25 times a game.    

NJGiants11 wrote:

TheOrigionalEaglesRule wrote: Vick at 3.75M  (over his dead money if released) is a low risk/high reward type of move.     Just maybe his skill set is better suited to Chip's O than it was Reid's.    

I am actually intrigued to see how he does with an offense that only passes 20-25 times a game.    

Well chip offense is predicated on the QBs ability to read the best option extremely fast and deliver the ball accurately.  Vick has never been accused of reading a defense and making quick decisions.  This offense does not suit Vick at all.  His ability to run is the only thing that suits Kelley's offense.  And even that part of his game is dimished and filled with certain injury if used.

NYgIANts wrote: The Eagles just renegotiated with Vick, which if you ask me spells the end of any reasonable chance that Chip Kelly had at success in Philly.  This guy was already coming in with no NFL experience and he thinks he can somehow recreate his U of Oregon offense in Philly.  Well that's not going to work.  Vick might be the guy on the roster who most looks like a U or Oregon offensive player but he's washed up, injury prone, and simply not effective in the NFL any longer.  Kelly might get a half season of good play out of Vick but long-term it's a losing proposition.

And while we're at it, what does Kelly know about NFL defense?  In all the interviews I've seen with him I've never once seen him talk about defense.  He's all about his college offense, and he's going to somehow succeed with Vick, DeSean Jackson and Maclin?  I just don't see it happening.  This is a feast or famine situation, with the famine much more likely to happen than the feast.

I know I am probably in the extreme minority here, but I think that Vick will perform very well with Chip Kelly.  Vick has a strong arm, makes quick reads and has good feet.  Vick's problem has been he runs in traditional NFL offenses and gets killed down the field.  Kelly has made his career out of down field blocking for his running backs, receivers and QBs.  He trains WRs to block like TEs block.  His thing when recruiting was to tell the skill guys that he spends more time teaching WRs to block in the first week of practice than most schools spend on blocking with a WR in four years of play. The reason the offense is successful is that it is not just let the guy run. Every guy on the field is part of maximizing each play.  I think the Eagles will be good and Vick will work.  I think Vick is not a long term answer due to his age and the beatings he has taken, but until Kelly can get his long term guy, he will keep the Eagles as a team I do not want to play.  I think he brought Dixon in to teach Vick and the rest of the offense how the Kelly offense can turn a marginal QB and mediocre offense into the best running offense in the country in a single year. It will be meant to run at breakneck speed, snaps every 15 seconds and pounding the best RB in the NFC through giant holes created by the spread option read and try for long yards with great downfield blocking.  The Giants will counter this with an incredible pass rush led by JPP's athleticism, who will force Vick or whomever they have at QB to make the reads too quickly and make mistakes, hardcore safeties who will bring the hammer and LB who can drop back and cover and make fast adjustments, and NEVER CRASH THE LINE, or else the option read will kill us.  The problem is, we have work to do to get to this point.  I think anyone saying the Eagles will be easy are making a mistake.  I think they will be a difficult pair of games each year in the toughest division.  I am sure we can beat them, but its not going to be easy. We have work to do on LB. 

Also, this idea that the Ducks offense was the same each of his 6 years there is nuts.  He ran 6 different offenses at Oregon, one each year he was there.  The legarrette blount offense was different than the LaMichael James offense, which was different than the Mariota offense last year. 

The Giants should beat the Eagles, but it will be a mistake to think the team is going to collapse and be terrible.  They will help make the NFC East the toughest place to play again.  As long as we are on the top of the best division in football, its fine with me that the skins, eagles and girls are all good too.

dweez115 wrote: What worries me the most about Philly is Kelly will watch the films and see McCoy averages 5.1 yds a run against NY and 9.8 yds per pass. If I coached the Eagles, I would run McCoy down the Giants throats until they could prove to me that they can stop him. Ball control keeps Eli on the bench and a 5.1 yd average means Vick won't have to do very much work at all.

ordinaryG wrote: Way to go Philly. Keep up the good work.

One read, run, ouch!

Eagles1976 wrote:

NJGiants11 wrote:

TheOrigionalEaglesRule wrote: Vick at 3.75M  (over his dead money if released) is a low risk/high reward type of move.     Just maybe his skill set is better suited to Chip's O than it was Reid's.    

I am actually intrigued to see how he does with an offense that only passes 20-25 times a game.    

Well chip offense is predicated on the QBs ability to read the best option extremely fast and deliver the ball accurately.  Vick has never been accused of reading a defense and making quick decisions.  This offense does not suit Vick at all.  His ability to run is the only thing that suits Kelley's offense.  And even that part of his game is dimished and filled with certain injury if used.

Exactly. Chip Kelly is simply another victim in waiting to be added to the coach killer's list. And if he doesn't come off the blocks with all guns blazing the fans will rip him apart for subjecting us to another failed season of the "Mike Vick Experience". I know that I've had all I can stand of it.

TheOrigionalEaglesRule wrote: But, and correct me if I am wrong, Chip's O doesnt require the QB to sit in the pocket and go thru progressions.   Making a quick, comparitively simple read, then being decisive might suite Vick's skill set better.

Eagles1976 wrote:

NJGiants11 wrote:

TheOrigionalEaglesRule wrote: Vick at 3.75M  (over his dead money if released) is a low risk/high reward type of move.     Just maybe his skill set is better suited to Chip's O than it was Reid's.    

I am actually intrigued to see how he does with an offense that only passes 20-25 times a game.    

Well chip offense is predicated on the QBs ability to read the best option extremely fast and deliver the ball accurately.  Vick has never been accused of reading a defense and making quick decisions.  This offense does not suit Vick at all.  His ability to run is the only thing that suits Kelley's offense.  And even that part of his game is dimished and filled with certain injury if used.

Exactly. Chip Kelly is simply another victim in waiting to be added to the coach killer's list. And if he doesn't come off the blocks with all guns blazing the fans will rip him apart for subjecting us to another failed season of the "Mike Vick Experience". I know that I've had all I can stand of it.