if they select an Olineman 1st round? I am all for upgrading the Oline but if they pick up one in the 1st round is a 2nd round and/or 3rd round defensive player going to improve the defense which completely stunk last year while the Giants offense set scoring records? Only other way  is Free Agency and Trades and I don't see the Giants being players in either.

giants in my opinion could go D in the first three rounds, historically it is what they do.

The Giants can go OL in the 1st or 2nd round and get what they need...hell for a guard, they could go 3rd or 4th.

They have been known to acquire very good players as deep as the 6th round under JR.

That leaves plenty of opportunity to upgrade the defense between the draft and free agency.

Let's hope Reese has another great off season!

sooners56giants wrote: if they select an Olineman 1st round? I am all for upgrading the Oline but if they pick up one in the 1st round is a 2nd round and/or 3rd round defensive player going to improve the defense which completely stunk last year while the Giants offense set scoring records? Only other way  is Free Agency and Trades and I don't see the Giants being players in either.

My thoughts exactly. I don't know why everyone is clamoring for Oline. 

Right Tackles are important, but the majority of the better pass rushers rush at the LT. I believe we can resign Locklear to fill that role or any other FA that is a bit long in the tooth. 

Solid guards can easily be found IMO. As this position is more about smarts and toughness in the trenches. Furthermore, I believe Boothe is more than adequate and will be re-signed at a fair price.

On defense the Giants were 13th in points allowed.
Total yards per game we were 31st
Rush yards per game we were 25th
Pass yards per game we were 28th

You don't end up the 25th worst in rushing because your DT's are completely inadequate.   IMO this occurs because you have LB's that allow way too many yards after the LOS. 

On offense we were 6th in points scored and we got shut out one game.
Total yards a game we were 13th
Pass yards a game we were 12th
Rush yards a game we were  14th

 Let's remember we have Eli, we had Nicks playing at 60%, Wilson looks like he can get the job done, especially if Bradshaw is here. Even better if A. Brown sticks around. Another year with Randle, as well as my hope to re-sign Bennet, will shore up the offense completely. 



Whether you like stats or not, these tell me we need more help on defense then offense.

One defense this team really needs a wide body DT to just keep the OL off of the LB's. I wouldn't be upset if we used our 1st pick on one.

We need 1 probably 2 LB's, a MLB and most likely a SSB, especially if they plan to move Kiwi back to DE. I would be enthralled if we somehow got 2 starting LB's in this draft.

I still believe we have enough talent at DB. Hopefully, Webster can return to form, team up with the Prince and Hosley in the slot.

Teams typically select players in the 1st Round to be impactful immediately and even to be instant starters The Giants already have two starters in Canty and Joseph, so I would say it is unlikely they spend a 1st Round pick on a rotation guy only.

I don't agree with you at all that the Giants have enought talent at DB.  You need four solid corners to match up with the 4 WR sets that many teams throw at defenses
nowadays.  Right now, Hosely and Prince are it (assuming that Webster is cut).  I believe the Giants will sign a nickel/dime back and/or draft a CB or even two.  That position is very weak from a depth perspective at this point.

The Giants could go either way with there first couple picks, either OL or Defense. 

It will depend on Free Agency and who is availabe when they pick.

Offensively, the Giants biggest needs (assuming Beatty is re-signed) is a RT.  Diehl is likely cut, or it's his last year as our RT.  Locklear should be signed but he is not a young pup anymore.  They could also use a G, maybe two.  Snee is talking about retirement.  Boothe is a good player, but I don't think the Giants will overpay for his services. 

So they could be looking at a scenario where they take a T and G in the first round. 

However, they could use a DT due to Canty being a Free Agent after next year.  They could use a DE with Tuck on the last year of his deal and Osi likely not coming back.  They also need help at LBer and help in the secondary. 

If the Giants go defense in the first round, than you can assume they like the young guys on the roster, like Brewer and Mosley.  If they go OL in the first round, than you know they are looking to build a strong OL for Eli over the next five years. 

I don't think anyone is saying they have to go OL or have to go Defense in the draft.  A lot of it will have to do with how FA goes (who stays, who goes, who is added) and how they view some of these young guys.

I think the Giants will address some of the defensive issues in FA. If Corey Webster is cut, I'd expect the Giants to try and get Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. Since he played like crap last year, he probably would come cheap. At DE, maybe Michael Bennett since his brother plays here. Sliding him into a rotation with JPP, Kiwi, and a healthier Tuck would be better then drafting someone and letting them sit on the bench.

JR has consistently not drafted good
with LB. In fact in my opinion it's been
lousy. He's a duct-tape GM with LBs.

When it comes to the Defense the majority
has been the top draft pic's....except for
last yr with Wilson.
DT is not the norm...more DE because of pass rusher.


Our immediate need is NOT MLB I'm afraid.

It comes from who's picked ahead of them.
We can use a CB but he has to be top 3.

My feeling is and I've said it numerous times...
We literally stunk to high heaven on short yardage
situations in the Red Zone and THAT is a failure of
the OL to push to get the first down.
We kicked way to many FGs.

Our NEED is OL help immediately and the reason is
that since JR pulled Wilson as a #1 we better get
help to move people in order for the #1 pick to make
an impact. I don't like "developmental" players that
take time. Otherwise don't waste a #1 unless you're
willing to support it.

Our Need is DL penetration and that lack thereof resulted
in poor secondary defense. Our "bread and butter" is the
pass rush. Now..it's either because of the Read and React
scheme of Fewell or just players getting older...doesn't
matter. WE STUNK.
We stunk in run defense and pass D.
Stoney thinks we'll move to 3-4 but unless we get crazed
DL picks...we'll be staying in the 4 up front. Those 4 animals
up front helps make the LB's and secondary look better.
So it begins UP FRONT.

If JR & Co want to make an impact with the LB..you better
be willing to spend to get that. I still think we need to sign a
FA LB which will make an immediate impact and that player
is Daryl Smith...PROVEN impact player.
JR has spend money on over the hill players NOT worthy of
that money...GET RID OF THEM. It's not quantity..it's supposed
to be quality.
Just this ONE move alleviates the need to draft high for a LB and
can get us another Defensive NEED player or even a OL in the 3 rd.

I always like to add that JR after the lousy showing this year
said.....We don't get paid to be 9-7.

That one line will make headlines this off season I assure you.

It may not be great fodder for discussion, but JR will pick BPA.  And he won't select for immediate impact either.  The Giants brass is notoriously patient with young players.  They will select strictly on top side projection. What's more, they usually don't follow the scouting mainstream either.  For every predictable pick like Kenny Phillips or Barden, we'll get multiple "huh?" picks like JPP. 

I love reading the draftnics' analyses, but the Giants draft is nearly impossible to predict, especially picking so late in the rounds.  I embrace the mystery.

With the slew of running QBs and the developemnet of the Pistol formation, I believe we need to get DTs who create a push up the middle. Add our DEs, like Tuck and JPP who are also good run stoppers, we may be the model on how to stop it.  You have to have a D-line that completely collaspes the pocket from all angles.  Remember the Eagles with Jerome Brown, Clyde simmons, Pitts, and Reggie.  Their was nowhere to run.  Add some speed to the LBs to cover the TE and RB out of the Backfield and you will stop this temp craze of an offense.  Our offense is plenty good enough if our def was special.  Fix the DeF and we will be back to the SB i 2014 in NY.

And I say that's the game JR has targeted.

Bigjuje:

Daryl Smith is 31 years old... He is a really nice player, but how long do you think he is going to keep up his production?  He is coming off an injury plagued season, where he played 2 games...  Now he could be a steal for a team for a couple seasons...

But isnt that just a band aid?  According to you, your sick of JR putting band-aids at LB.... But you are suggesting the Giants do just that.... Smith is the same exact signing that Boley was... but Boley was younger when the Giants signed him.  Both talented and prodctive with some injury questions.

That's sort of the point..if you're gonna band-aid..better be a better LB than drafting
late nobody's that end up..still injured or slow. Even at his age Smith is better than waiting for a 4th round LB to learn how to play.
.
Yes we signed Boley and at his age should have been more productive.
I think Smith is much better.
We need DL help and with Smith that takes the LB drafting out of the question.
Of course he'll need to pass a physical.

Fix it by bringing Spagnolo back and dumping the read and react defense of Mr. Fewell.

 The 9-7 record should help.

bigjuje wrote: That's sort of the point..if you're gonna band-aid..better be a better LB than drafting
late nobody's that end up..still injured or slow. Even at his age Smith is better than waiting for a 4th round LB to learn how to play.
.
Yes we signed Boley and at his age should have been more productive.
I think Smith is much better.
We need DL help and with Smith that takes the LB drafting out of the question.
Of course he'll need to pass a physical..

Smith is nothing special, and he is 5 months older then Boley. Smith was drafted in 2004, while Boley was drafted in 2005. I just don't see how Smith is much of an upgrade, if he is an upgrade at all.

I agree Smith is the better player..  He was extremly solid for quite a while.  But at 31 and coming off the injury, he is a band aid fix.

Kevin Minter or Ogletree are both nice options for us early...   Arthur Brown as well.  There are a couple later round guys with some nice upside.. Devonte Holloman, Jelani Jenkins, Kenny Tate.

Fixing the D:

I think trading back and drafting Minter and taking Jelani Jenkins later will go a long way in helping our LB core.  Bringing in Smith may not be a bad idea at that point either, if he comes at a bargain price.  I also think there are a couple DT's that will hit the FA market Gelnn Dorsey/Alan Branch that could help as well.  Trading back could get us an extra 2nd round pick.... WE can address 2 of OL/DB/DL with those 2 picks.

yankeemo42 wrote: I think trading back and drafting Minter and taking Jelani Jenkins later will go a long way in helping our LB core.  Bringing in Smith may not be a bad idea at that point either, if he comes at a bargain price.  I also think there are a couple DT's that will hit the FA market Gelnn Dorsey/Alan Branch that could help as well.  Trading back could get us an extra 2nd round pick.... WE can address 2 of OL/DB/DL with those 2 picks.

As much as I like Jelani Jenkins (has speed and is a very smart player), the guy keeps getting hurt.  That's why he'll be available after round 2 I believe.

As for trading back, I think if the Rams offer up the #22 and their 2nd rounder #46 to move up to #19, the Giants should take it.  For that to happen, there needs to be a surefire offensive players (O-Line or WR) the Rams need to have.

yankeemo42 wrote: I agree Smith is the better player..  He was extremly solid for quite a while.  But at 31 and coming off the injury, he is a band aid fix.

Kevin Minter or Ogletree are both nice options for us early...   Arthur Brown as well.  There are a couple later round guys with some nice upside.. Devonte Holloman, Jelani Jenkins, Kenny Tate.

Fixing the D:

I think trading back and drafting Minter and taking Jelani Jenkins later will go a long way in helping our LB core.  Bringing in Smith may not be a bad idea at that point either, if he comes at a bargain price.  I also think there are a couple DT's that will hit the FA market Gelnn Dorsey/Alan Branch that could help as well.  Trading back could get us an extra 2nd round pick.... WE can address 2 of OL/DB/DL with those 2 picks.

I hope we address the DT situation in the FA, there are a bunch of proven HOGS!!

My dream would be to get a Safety that runs like a deer and his big enough to convert to MLB. Although there doesn't seem to be any player like that coming out this year.

I know 40 times don't always equate on the field, but I sill believe there are those guys, like a Patrick Willis that have done really well in the 40.

Can we please for once stop picking "Best player available" and actually go after our draft needs. No more Marvin Austin, Randle, Jerrigan and Sintim picks.