I just read an article where it states a Giant scout said "that's my left tackle" when watching Oklahoma T Lane Johnson this week at the Senior Bowl.  He is currently rated the number 3 OT in this years draft class behind Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher. 

That doesn't mean that he will be taken by the Giants when they pick at 19 and Johnson is there, but do you think the Giants are planning on drafting a LT and moving Beatty over to RT?

Lane Johnson is having a heckuva senior bowl and has solidified himself as a  first round pick.  It seems like the Giants have a great shot at him at 19. 

Do you think the Giants are thinking that they re-sign Beatty as the future RT and draft a LT in round 1 and they solidify the tackle position for the next 5 years?

I actually think this would be a great move if it fell that way.

Thoughts?

I have always thought if the Giants select an OT in the first it would be a LT

Maybe we can grab King Dunlap,hes had a positive rating 3 seasons in a row.    sarcasm...

What all of this does for me is trigger my memory of the Giants drafting Eric Moore in the first round and Jumbo Elliot in the second round of the 1988. Moore was suppose to be the LT and Jumbo the RT and it turn out to be the exact reverse.  In addition, William Roberts who was drafted as a LT did not truly excel until he was moved to LG when Jumbo took over at LT.  Jumbo and Roberts became a superb tandem that provided great holes for the running game including that 1-2 yards that was needed in short yardage situations when the entire stadium knew where the Giants were going with the ball.

The point I want to make is that just because a player is drafted in a particular round for a particular OL position does not mean that is how it is going to work out.  With that said, if indeed the Giants feel that Beatty can play either tackle position, that is very meaningful.

Can Beatty play RT?  The pundits had suggested that he did not have the bulk and strength to do so, but that was an assessment from several seasons ago.  I think it is really difficult to evaluate Beatty as a run blocker as the entire running game for the team did not excel over the past two seasons when he has been the presumptive starter at LT>

Sometimes you have to look at the line as pieces of a puzzle rather than individuals,all maulers doesnt work and all finesse doesnt either.

I am all for drafting ANY good prospect on the offensive line in the first round. I'm also for drafting another good o-line prospect in the second round. NFL teams HAVE to invest high picks in their offensive line from time to time and the Giants haven't done that in a while. Well, the time has come. No more focus on WRs or RBs, its time to bulk up the line again. Put your resources into that for one year and worry about skill positions in FA or next year.

leagued wrote: I am all for drafting ANY good prospect on the offensive line in the first round. I'm also for drafting another good o-line prospect in the second round. NFL teams HAVE to invest high picks in their offensive line from time to time and the Giants haven't done that in a while. Well, the time has come. No more focus on WRs or RBs, its time to bulk up the line again. Put your resources into that for one year and worry about skill positions in FA or next year.

Yep.  Also, Johnson is supposedly an excellent athelete.  He could probably play RT for us if Beatty stayed at LT.  With some infused altheticism, maybe the Giants can go back to Coughlin's ultra-zone blocking scheme and get the running game moving once again.  The OL needs help, and I would rather take a good player than just worry about how we will re-shuffle the other four positions.

leagued wrote: I am all for drafting ANY good prospect on the offensive line in the first round. I'm also for drafting another good o-line prospect in the second round. NFL teams HAVE to invest high picks in their offensive line from time to time and the Giants haven't done that in a while. Well, the time has come. No more focus on WRs or RBs, its time to bulk up the line again. Put your resources into that for one year and worry about skill positions in FA or next year.

The good thing is that the Giants don't really have to worry about the skill positions this year.  They grabbed Wilson and Randle last year, both of whom showed nice promise.  They still have Bradshaw, Nicks and (hopefully) Cruz.  So instead, they can concentrate on OL and defense.

Because of that, they are in a pretty good position this year to draft meaningful guys.

drafting OL seems like such a crapshoot, especially 1st rounders... i don't mind spending late draft picks on project OL, but i'd rather they go via FA for OL then spend a 1st rounder on a OL... less chance of a bust, imo...

Why would Beatty sign a contract for "RT money" when he'll likely be offered more $$ to play LT?

frateb wrote: drafting OL seems like such a crapshoot, especially 1st rounders... i don't mind spending late draft picks on project OL, but i'd rather they go via FA for OL then spend a 1st rounder on a OL... less chance of a bust, imo...

Offensive tackles have one of the highest - if not the highest - rates of panning out by position in the draft.

mol10e wrote: Can Beatty play RT?  The pundits had suggested that he did not have the bulk and strength to do so, but that was an assessment from several seasons ago.  I think it is really difficult to evaluate Beatty as a run blocker as the entire running game for the team did not excel over the past two seasons when he has been the presumptive starter at LT>

This year's running game was 7th in the league n yards per carry. more than a yard better than last year.

But I know, stats don't matter.  What matters is what fans think they see on TV.

mol10e wrote: Can Beatty play RT?  The pundits had suggested that he did not have the bulk and strength to do so, but that was an assessment from several seasons ago.  I think it is really difficult to evaluate Beatty as a run blocker as the entire running game for the team did not excel over the past two seasons when he has been the presumptive starter at LT>

Last year the running game averaged 4.6 yds & the OL allowed a League low in Sacks with Eli being sacked just 19 times!

I am all for beefing up the Oline in any manner possible, Draft, FA, Oline shuffling it don't matter just improve it.  If they draft an OT and he is better than Beatty put him at OT and move Beatty to RT. That would be a pretty stout 1-2 punch considering Beatty played weel and the new OT beat him out.

EddieNYG wrote: I just read an article where it states a Giant scout said "that's my left tackle" when watching Oklahoma T Lane Johnson this week at the Senior Bowl.  He is currently rated the number 3 OT in this years draft class behind Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher. 

That doesn't mean that he will be taken by the Giants when they pick at 19 and Johnson is there, but do you think the Giants are planning on drafting a LT and moving Beatty over to RT?

Lane Johnson is having a heckuva senior bowl and has solidified himself as a  first round pick.  It seems like the Giants have a great shot at him at 19. 

Do you think the Giants are thinking that they re-sign Beatty as the future RT and draft a LT in round 1 and they solidify the tackle position for the next 5 years?

I actually think this would be a great move if it fell that way.

Thoughts?

A few years ago the 49ers took Davis and Iupati with their first two selections.  And the Patriots took Gronkowski and Hernandez together in the same year.  And then Vereen and Ridley together in a different year.  And the Ravens took Pitta and another TE in the same year as well.

If the Giants took two linemen with their first 2 selections, and they deemed them as BPA, and the picks bolstered the line for 10 years, yeah, I'm good with that.  They addressed skill position, offensively, with a WR and a RB this past year.  Seems like a trend that some top teams are going to.  Overload an area and make it an instant strength, instead of a little of this, and a little of that.

Thank You!

I dont know where the notion is coming from that the giants running game was lacking last year.. It was actually significantly improved from the super bowl run.  The passing game.. just the opposite.  That said.. we clearly need OL help with Beatty being injury prone (assuming we resign him) Brewer unproven, Snee nearing the end and Bass nearing the end, etc...

Anyways... I would be hoping for te 2 big OG's Warmack (highly unlikely) or Cooper (highly likey) to fall for them... They are super talents and would give us great bang for our buck... especially if we are able to trade down to lets say 25 and pick up an extra pick and still get Cooper.  Larry Worford in Rd 3 wouldnt be a bad move either.

bleedblue10 wrote:

mol10e wrote: Can Beatty play RT?  The pundits had suggested that he did not have the bulk and strength to do so, but that was an assessment from several seasons ago.  I think it is really difficult to evaluate Beatty as a run blocker as the entire running game for the team did not excel over the past two seasons when he has been the presumptive starter at LT>

Last year the running game averaged 4.6 yds & the OL allowed a League low in Sacks with Eli being sacked just 19 times!

Great minds think alike . . .

GordonG wrote: What all of this does for me is trigger my memory of the Giants drafting Eric Moore in the first round and Jumbo Elliot in the second round of the 1988. Moore was suppose to be the LT and Jumbo the RT and it turn out to be the exact reverse.  In addition, William Roberts who was drafted as a LT did not truly excel until he was moved to LG when Jumbo took over at LT.  Jumbo and Roberts became a superb tandem that provided great holes for the running game including that 1-2 yards that was needed in short yardage situations when the entire stadium knew where the Giants were going with the ball.

I remember Parcells referring to that draft as "saving the whales."

1988...damn I feel old.

hcgiles wrote:

GordonG wrote: What all of this does for me is trigger my memory of the Giants drafting Eric Moore in the first round and Jumbo Elliot in the second round of the 1988. Moore was suppose to be the LT and Jumbo the RT and it turn out to be the exact reverse.  In addition, William Roberts who was drafted as a LT did not truly excel until he was moved to LG when Jumbo took over at LT.  Jumbo and Roberts became a superb tandem that provided great holes for the running game including that 1-2 yards that was needed in short yardage situations when the entire stadium knew where the Giants were going with the ball.

I remember Parcells referring to that draft as "saving the whales."

1988...damn I feel old.

ditto on the old part. add very

add 1989's C/G #1 Brian Williams & #3 G Bob Kratch.  when asked why he was drafting these young monsters after the  previous years first 2 picks Parcells said "How the hell can we run on Philadelphia and their line (white, brown, golic, simmons) w/o getting younger, bigger and stronger?"