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This is what makes it so hard to be able to talk intelligently about who the Giants may draft. All season I was following the OT from Central Michigan Eric Fisher. I was anticipating Giants drafting in the mid 20 range. This player was listed in that range in most mocks I looked. I thought he played well and had upside. But now that the 2 OT's from Texas A&M and Michigan have elected to stay in school, this guy has jumped up to #11 in the first 4 mocks I looked at today.

Top Ten:

1) Kansas City Chiefs- Luke Joeckel, offensive tackle, Texas A&M

2) Jacksonville Jaguars - Damontre Moore, defensive end, Texas A&M

3) Oakland Raiders - Star Lotulelei, defensive tackle, Utah

4) Philadelphia Eagles - Dee Milliner, cornerback, Alabama

5) Detroit Lions - Jarvis Jones, outside linebacker, Georgia

6) Cleveland Browns - Bjoern Werner, defensive end, Florida State

7) Arizona Cardinals - Chance Warmack, guard, Alabama

8) Buffalo Bills - Manti Te'o, inside linebacker, Notre Dame

9) New York Jets - Barkevious Mingo, defensive end, LSU

10) Tennessee Titans - Dion Jordan, defensive end, Oregon

11) Chargers take Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan

12) Dolphins take Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee

13) Bucs take LB Alec Ogletree -  Georgia

14) Panthers take Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri

15) Saints Pick: Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State

16) Rams Pick: Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas

17) Pit takes DE Ezekiel Ansah...but is considered more LB

18) Cowboys Pick: Jonathan Cooper, G, North Carolina

19) Giants Pick: Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU and if gone! Read the profile..not 2 great and has already had a knee problem...next.       Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
HATE BOTH...JR should trade pick...I hope that Olgetree falls..we take.

20) Bears Pick: Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame

21) Bengals -  RB Montee Ball - Wisconson

22) Rams Pick: D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama..........OH MAN. I'd rather have this guy for Giants

23) Vikings Pick: Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor

24) Colts Pick: Menelik Watson, OT, FSU or
             Pick: Barrett Jones, C/OT, Alabama

25) Seahawks Pick: John Jenkins, DT, Georgia...Actually I see this more Giants. NEED but got benched because of "academic" reasons. His back up Geathers is even better than Jenkins.

26) Packers Pick: Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford

27) Texans Pick: Keenan Allen, WR, Cal

28) Broncos Pick: Xavier Rhodes, CB, FSU

29) Ravens Pick: Kevin Minter, LB, LSU

30) 49ers Pick: Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida

31) Patriots Pick: DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson

32) Falcons Pick: Margus Hunt, DE, SMU

There are alternatives I've seen on many of the picks....

A lot of mocks have JR picking DE with the first pick.  If so, it certainly shows that JR still does not understand defense.  A bit ago I found five mock drafts.  Four had JR going DE.  I found that dispiriting.  What I found even more dispiriting was the comment that a certain DE was the last good DE in the draft.  Still, there is hope.  Last year giants.com followed 14 mock drafts.  Eight picked TE.  Maybe, just maybe, JR will realize that DE is not DL.

You do know that he's won two superbowls, right?

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--- Fan1938 wrote:

A lot of mocks have JR picking DE with the first pick.  If so, it certainly shows that JR still does not understand defense.  A bit ago I found five mock drafts.  Four had JR going DE.  I found that dispiriting.  What I found even more dispiriting was the comment that a certain DE was the last good DE in the draft.  Still, there is hope.  Last year giants.com followed 14 mock drafts.  Eight picked TE.  Maybe, just maybe, JR will realize that DE is not DL.

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chicoxl wrote: You do know that he's won two superbowls, right?

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--- Fan1938 wrote:

A lot of mocks have JR picking DE with the first pick.  If so, it certainly shows that JR still does not understand defense.  A bit ago I found five mock drafts.  Four had JR going DE.  I found that dispiriting.  What I found even more dispiriting was the comment that a certain DE was the last good DE in the draft.  Still, there is hope.  Last year giants.com followed 14 mock drafts.  Eight picked TE.  Maybe, just maybe, JR will realize that DE is not DL.

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Not for nothing but giving him full credit for the 2007 SB is a load of cr@p, and I am not saying that JR doesnt deserve credit for bringing in some decent talent, but dont hang 2 superbowl hats on him and say he is a drafting genius, he has had some misses as well

Of course he has had misses, that doesnt change the talent he has brought in. He and his team do a great job with the draft. Every GM has misses - even the best - evaluate JR on the talent he has brought in. 

CgkenBMC wrote:

chicoxl wrote: You do know that he's won two superbowls, right?

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--- Fan1938 wrote:

A lot of mocks have JR picking DE with the first pick.  If so, it certainly shows that JR still does not understand defense.  A bit ago I found five mock drafts.  Four had JR going DE.  I found that dispiriting.  What I found even more dispiriting was the comment that a certain DE was the last good DE in the draft.  Still, there is hope.  Last year giants.com followed 14 mock drafts.  Eight picked TE.  Maybe, just maybe, JR will realize that DE is not DL.

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Not for nothing but giving him full credit for the 2007 SB is a load of cr@p, and I am not saying that JR doesnt deserve credit for bringing in some decent talent, but dont hang 2 superbowl hats on him and say he is a drafting genius, he has had some misses as well

These are mock drafts based on an analysts assumptions about the potential thought process the GM may follow at the time of the draft.  They have not spoken to any GM at this point in the process.

So I would not put too much stock in it and saying he "still does not understand defense".  Why don't we wait until we get closer to the draft and see what Reese actually does before we start insulting him?

Ol'  Mel may need to rejigger this after that silly T'eo story about the fabricated g/f.   How bizarre is that?   


I'm not a draftnik......so I don't really know how all of these guys will end up shaking out.   I hope the earlier rounds feature a mauler OL and a CB.    From there....however it shakes out, it shakes out.

CgkenBMC wrote:

chicoxl wrote: You do know that he's won two superbowls, right?

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--- Fan1938 wrote:

A lot of mocks have JR picking DE with the first pick.  If so, it certainly shows that JR still does not understand defense.  A bit ago I found five mock drafts.  Four had JR going DE.  I found that dispiriting.  What I found even more dispiriting was the comment that a certain DE was the last good DE in the draft.  Still, there is hope.  Last year giants.com followed 14 mock drafts.  Eight picked TE.  Maybe, just maybe, JR will realize that DE is not DL.

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Not for nothing but giving him full credit for the 2007 SB is a load of cr@p, and I am not saying that JR doesnt deserve credit for bringing in some decent talent, but dont hang 2 superbowl hats on him and say he is a drafting genius, he has had some misses as well

AMEN!!!! JR "won" SB 42 with the team Ernie Accorsi built.

Enuff with the 2 superbowl bs. He was part of building it but not the GM.

His challenge is NOW. What he has gotten the team into over the last 5 years with some big holes and alot of $ to older players and being one of the top teams at or above the payroll.

JR is going to earn every $$$ he gets this year as what he does in FA and with the current roster is Job #1. It will lay the foundation for the next 2-4 years and either put us in serious rebuild mode or get us into a challenger that can maybe get a hit or 2 in the draft.

DT and OL should be our focus .....

I expect the same crap from JR, he will blow another draft pick by drafting according to the best player availabble instead of what the team needs, he will sit on his a$$ and instead of signing a high impact free agent who could make an imediate impact on the team, he will go to the free agent dump and throw away money by signing past their prime free agents with the excuse that is for depth.

Funny how things on here  are perceived...by the way the Giants draft,some give credit to JR for the drafting that EA did and to Ross for the drafting that JR has done ! 
I feel that JR definitely had a part of the 2007 SB season with him picking up K.Mitchell & Hedgecock and the drafting of rookies Bradshaw,Boss,Johnson & Ross who all played valuable parts in that season's end run!
There's leftovers from EA's era,but guys like Nicks,Manningham,Cruz & JPP were heavy contributors in the 2011(SB) so have to say that's pretty much JR's credit(or Ross if preferred).
Drafting ...we know there's no magic formula,despite of StonedInvestor...lol.....there's hits & misses,hopefully more hits than misses!
 
The pats have been said to have a great drafting system thru the years,yet I glanced at their 2007-2009 drafts(29 players) and how many starting,better yet,how many are left on their team? In other words,we can't expect all hits......that's reality!

It was only at a glance,but it seems the GMs... GY & EA took several years of drafting each before they got it going...could be wrong.

It's fun TRYING to figure which FAs they will lose & which they'll sign(own & other teams),re-evaluating prospects after the Combine and of course the Draft,BUT come on preseason !!....lmao

Pasadenablue wrote: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl...irst-mock-draft  


This is what makes it so hard to be able to talk intelligently about who the Giants may draft. All season I was following the OT from Central Michigan Eric Fisher. I was anticipating Giants drafting in the mid 20 range. This player was listed in that range in most mocks I looked. I thought he played well and had upside. But now that the 2 OT's from Texas A&M and Michigan have elected to stay in school, this guy has jumped up to #11 in the first 4 mocks I looked at today.

Pasadenablue-is that in TX or CA ?!?...I had lived in Pasadena,Ca for about 25 years !

The Eagles, Skins and Cowboys used these exact strategies and how has that turned out for them...

BigBluePR wrote: I expect the same crap from JR, he will blow another draft pick by drafting according to the best player availabble instead of what the team needs, he will sit on his a$$ and instead of signing a high impact free agent who could make an imediate impact on the team, he will go to the free agent dump and throw away money by signing past their prime free agents with the excuse that is for depth.

I've seen mock drafts that have the Giants taking a DE or a TE in the first round, while real good OT and C prospects are drafted just after their selection.

If that happened in real life, I might jam my thumbs into my eye balls. DRAFT OL OR DT!!

bleedblue10 wrote:

Pasadenablue wrote: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl...irst-mock-draft  


This is what makes it so hard to be able to talk intelligently about who the Giants may draft. All season I was following the OT from Central Michigan Eric Fisher. I was anticipating Giants drafting in the mid 20 range. This player was listed in that range in most mocks I looked. I thought he played well and had upside. But now that the 2 OT's from Texas A&M and Michigan have elected to stay in school, this guy has jumped up to #11 in the first 4 mocks I looked at today.

Pasadenablue-is that in TX or CA ?!?...I had lived in Pasadena,Ca for about 25 years !

        CA. I moved here 4 years ago. I worked in Pasadena when I first got here. I currently work in Valencia and live in Santa Clarita.

leagued wrote: I've seen mock drafts that have the Giants taking a DE or a TE in the first round, while real good OT and C prospects are drafted just after their selection.

If that happened in real life, I might jam my thumbs into my eye balls. DRAFT OL OR DT!!

        Which OL and DT prospects do you like at this time? The DT prospects seem very specialized. Are you looking for a run stuffer or more of an all round guy?

It's nice to see a view of the draft however between now and then a lot will happen Manti Te-O for instance , plus there's always trading up and down.
If the Giants can't get a player they want I'm sure they'll trade down it's just about guaranteed the Patriots will have 6-3 RD picks giving up 1st and 2nd round picks, as they stock pile lower round picks the Giants have had the same policy a few times

A skinny English kid once told me,

No, you can't always get what you want, 
No, you can't always get what you want,
But if you try sometime, you just might find
You get what you need.

Did anybody think Brady in the 6th round was what NE wanted?
However he was exactky what they needed.
I love 3rd and 4th round picks I bet overall there's been far better value there than in most of they higher picks.

I'm here in Saugus, Ca...we got to hook up.
Been here since '92...Bronx boy.

Not working though...Need one...any contacts?