Why not celebrate a person accused of not 1 but 2 homicides? Lewis copped a plea and paid off the families. Obviously someone ESPN needs. What is next the guy from the Nets who killed his limo driver giving firearms advice. ESPN should realize that most of us moral hardworking people don't want to see this animal on Sundays anymore. Get a grip boys, guy is a pos who ruined people's lives, I for one am against any such broadcasting arrangement.

We don't know the real story. But if Ray Lewis is a murderer my perception of him changes greatly and will no longer root for the Ravens in this year playoffs.

I think you should get a grip.

The law makes a provision for obstruction of justice to be treated in the same manner as an act of murder itself with the same harshness of penalty in an attempt to dissuade people from harboring criminals.

He didn't murder anyone.

From my understanding of what went down is that while he and his friends were parting another group of JAMOLKS decided to challenge them in some way and two of them were killed. There is no evidence Ray did it, but he knows who did and he refused to say. Lets face it folks this is an extremely violent society we live in. This is one of a million accounts of homicide in America. I don't mean to minimalize this event, but he was absolved of any crime by the law, so let go.  

hey, you can let go all you want homes, but don't tell others to based on your opinion. A lot of trash gets off. Whats your pitiful point...

How do WE know he did not kill anyone? He coped a plea to save his ***, that we do know.

We already have a topic devoted to this.

Here's a "Reader's Digest" version of the facts:

After a Super Bowl party in Atlanta in January, 2000, a fight broke out between Lewis and his friends and aqnother group. Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar were stabbed to death. 

Lewis and two friends were indicted by a grand jury on murder and aggravated assault charges.

Lewis's attorneys negotiated a plea agreement where the charges against him were dismissed in exchange for his testifying against his friends and pleading guilty to a charge of obstruction of justice. Under oath, Lewis admitted lying to police the morning after the murders. He subsequently received a sentence of 12 months probation, and the NFL fined him $250,000.00.

Largely because his friends' lawyers made an a$$ of Lewis when he testified against them, they were acquitted of the charges. No one else has ever been charged.

Later, Lewis paid financial settlements to both of the victims' families.


Choose your own moral to the story. Mine is that I like refer to him as Ray-Ray "Snitches get riches" Lewis.

olderfan wrote: hey, you can let go all you want homes, but don't tell others to based on your opinion. A lot of trash gets off. Whats your pitiful point...

Homes? My point is your pitiful judge mental Butt needs to cast the first stone in regards to your own perfection and pure morality SUCKER. homes indeed.

lol, in what pathetic world do u live in, that no one you know could cast a stone against someone involved in the taking the life of another human being. I don't know anyone, friend, family or co-worker who every came close to be involved in something so inhumane. Guess your standards are pretty low

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olderfan wrote: hey, you can let go all you want homes, but don't tell others to based on your opinion. A lot of trash gets off. Whats your pitiful point...

Homes? My point is your pitiful judge mental Butt needs to cast the first stone in regards to your own perfection and pure morality SUCKER. homes indeed.

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giant1156 wrote: Why not celebrate a person accused of not 1 but 2 homicides? Lewis copped a plea and paid off the families. Obviously someone ESPN needs. What is next the guy from the Nets who killed his limo driver giving firearms advice. ESPN should realize that most of us moral hardworking people don't want to see this animal on Sundays anymore. Get a grip boys, guy is a pos who ruined people's lives, I for one am against any such broadcasting arrangement.

The charges against him were dropped.  He plead guilty to lying to the police to cover for his friends, and later did the right thing and testified against them.  Even with his testimony, a jury acquitted his friends finding that Lewis and his friends were the victims and they were defending themselves from attack by another group of men, and that in the struggle that they did nto start, two of the attackers were killed.  I fail to see why any of this should upset me about Lewis.  He served his time for his crime of lying to the police and moved on with his life.  I am fien with what happened.  If someone attacks me and my friends and in the struggle one of the attackers die, I hope not to be charged with any crime, and if the cops charge me, I hope a jury does the right thing and finds me not guilty.

My bad for climbing up on a soapbox I guess, I apologize to those that I have offended. If you had been involved in such an incident you might have (1) stayed on scene, (2) not hidden the clothing (white suit-never recovered btw) you were wearing, (3) not wiped off the blood and fingerprints from the knife- no prints reported to have been on knife left behind (4) that you and your group of friends had purchased the prior day at the sporting goods store- guess 12 guys are not enough of a deteret to crime (5) lied to the police from the start. (6) not possibly told the limo driver to change his testimony between statements from Lewis being actively involved to unsure or any of the other things that "may have happened". I also thing the prosecution's case hinged on putting the knife used in someone's hand , one of the 12 people that were in the limo or any other involved person, hard to do without turning someone. And most of all as a normal citizen you might have actually had to go to jail for such an obvious obstruction case concerning (2) murders. I for one will not be watching him on ESPN.

I think you will find they're plenty of Ray Lewis haters I'm one of them, I can guarantee you he's a angel in Baltimore fit for Sainthood .
The blood that lay at his feet is his own as he tried desperately to save the lives of his attackers , this is stuff legends are made of .
ESPN will no doubt have a special on him the Life and times of Ray Lewis, a man for all seasons and explain how unfortunate it was that this great man got stained by unfounded charges much like OJ did.
He was innocent and unjustly judged by the public R.L has also had to wear a crown of thistles when it should be roses.
However the H.O.F awaits him and the undying love of the citizens of Baltimore, Peyton Manning and fellow Players who know that violence is evil and they all are incapable of such an act.

giant1156 wrote: My bad for climbing up on a soapbox I guess, I apologize to those that I have offended. If you had been involved in such an incident you might have (1) stayed on scene, (2) not hidden the clothing (white suit-never recovered btw) you were wearing, (3) not wiped off the blood and fingerprints from the knife- no prints reported to have been on knife left behind (4) that you and your group of friends had purchased the prior day at the sporting goods store- guess 12 guys are not enough of a deteret to crime (5) lied to the police from the start. (6) not possibly told the limo driver to change his testimony between statements from Lewis being actively involved to unsure or any of the other things that "may have happened". I also thing the prosecution's case hinged on putting the knife used in someone's hand , one of the 12 people that were in the limo or any other involved person, hard to do without turning someone. And most of all as a normal citizen you might have actually had to go to jail for such an obvious obstruction case concerning (2) murders. I for one will not be watching him on ESPN.

How dare you let facts become an obstruction to the canonization of Ray Lewis? 

I'm surprised anyone on here still watches ESPN enough to even care that Ray Lewis will be on there.

giant1156 wrote: My bad for climbing up on a soapbox I guess, I apologize to those that I have offended. If you had been involved in such an incident you might have (1) stayed on scene, (2) not hidden the clothing (white suit-never recovered btw) you were wearing, (3) not wiped off the blood and fingerprints from the knife- no prints reported to have been on knife left behind (4) that you and your group of friends had purchased the prior day at the sporting goods store- guess 12 guys are not enough of a deteret to crime (5) lied to the police from the start. (6) not possibly told the limo driver to change his testimony between statements from Lewis being actively involved to unsure or any of the other things that "may have happened". I also thing the prosecution's case hinged on putting the knife used in someone's hand , one of the 12 people that were in the limo or any other involved person, hard to do without turning someone. And most of all as a normal citizen you might have actually had to go to jail for such an obvious obstruction case concerning (2) murders. I for one will not be watching him on ESPN.

Look, no one should ever feel bad about offering an opinion, and that goes for the people that disagree with you too.  I think everyone is entitled to love, hate, be indifferent to, or have any feelings they want about, Ray Lewis.  I think you should recognize that people might have a different view than yours.  I just wanted to make my view known.  It is different than yours, but I respect your view and that you have the right to disagree with me. 

For me, if I was involved in a fight that resulted in a death, I can honestly say I have no idea if I would flee or not, if I would destroy evidence or do anything stupid which I thought at the time was to protect myself.  I don;t think I would ever be in the situation since I would probably have run like coward at the first threat of a knife fight, but that is me.  I feel for the people that died, but I feel pretty comfortable saying that I have no idea what actually happened that night. As for Ray Lewis, like it or not, he did not go to jail and has spent 14 years being a great football player.  If you choose to ignore him or even dislike him, that is fine.  But it is equally fine for someone else to choose to celebrate him.

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olderfan wrote: hey, you can let go all you want homes, but don't tell others to based on your opinion. A lot of trash gets off. Whats your pitiful point...

Homes? My point is your pitiful judge mental Butt needs to cast the first stone in regards to your own perfection and pure morality SUCKER. homes indeed.

eat your milk and cookies and hurry off to bed like a good child. but, don't tell me what to think, how to think, or when to think.

o cmon, he repented, he found god, jesus died for his sins, etc etc....

this is sarcastic, so dont jump me ppl. as for me, ray lewis is dispicable and should eb in prison.

ps- he is a great LB thou...

Maybe it's my failure for not being able to connect on a personal level with football players.

For example, I've never given a rat's *** for Strahan being such a great guy.  Nor do i give two sh*ts that Eli is so well grounded.  Some of you guys love this kind of fluff.  Good for you. 

Personally, I'd take 22 Lawrence Taylors, personal flaws and all, over a bunch of well behaved Bryan Kehls or class act Ramses Bardens (Author of the ballad "What being a NY Giant means to me").

Gag.  I got bad news.  They're not your pals.  You dont know them.  You dont need to.

I hope we draft Teo.

OJ is innocent too.....

By gones.....he would be in jail if not a football player when that incident happened most likely

OK...as a football player..would have loved him as a Giant!