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Prince had a solid second year
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Posted: 1/6/2013 10:05 PM
Prince had a solid second year
I watched every pass thrown at Prince this year in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UgbxfI4l2wAccording to my count QBs were 31 for 62 (50% completion) with 2 TDs and 1 INT against him. He also had just 2 penalties. In press coverage he allowed 10/25 (40% completion) In off coverage he allowed 21/37 (57% completion) If we would just get a better defensive coordinator who played more press man-to-man instead of constantly sitting back in these stupid Cover 2/3 shells, he'd be sooooo much better off. Just watch that video. I swear there were about a dozen easy 5-yard completions because Prince lined up 7-10 yards off the ball. I really despise this soft zone crap Fewell throws out there every week.
Last edited 1/6/2013 10:06 PM by clifffside
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Posted: 1/6/2013 11:16 PM
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Posted: 1/6/2013 11:17 PM
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...and have more of this type of coverage    Let him be physical throughout the game. That's what he does best. |
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Posted: 1/7/2013 3:10 AM
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In the day of the rushing qb you are likely to see more zone not less. And who knows, those five yard completions that carry a risk factor for the offense ard not ad damaging as an eighty yard fly. Maybe thdy played soft becauze the safetirs were up tight in run support. Fact is this game is so nuanced and these coaches so above the tylical fan that we just don t know.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 4:17 AM
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Oh please!
Good defenses like Seattle and San Fran play press 2 man all day long against these spread teams. There's no reason why we can't do the same.The last time we actually had a top 5 defense under Spags, that was our formula.
You finish 31st in defense....guess what....your tactics deserve to be questioned. I don't want to hear this non sense about fans just don't know. I mean geez look at those gifs man. Those are free yards we gave up every stinking week!
No wonder we couldn't get a pass rush.
Last edited 1/7/2013 4:19 AM by clifffside
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Posted: 1/7/2013 8:07 AM
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It does take years to grow into that position. Kinda like WR methinks....
Anybody remember Jason Sehorns tumbling reverse interception against the Beagles ?
To this day I cringe when I hear the name Jim Fassel mentioned along with kick off returns.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 8:57 AM
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Awesome stuff on Prince. Thanks. I have gone back and forth on the, "should P.Fewell be fired?" issue. The thing that bothers me about him is that when the Giants did blitz in 2012, they were generally ineffective. It seemed like Fewell couldn't design effective blitz schemes and that scares me a little. But maybe the core got old--Osi, Tuck, and Webster--and, as a result, Fewell can't be blamed for the Giants brutal defense. Throw in the fact that the Giants were playing with a street MLB and the typical blown coverages of Rolle, which happens every freakin year, together with the injury to Phillips, and the story of the Giants awful defense is more understandable. My take is this: if Fewell is going to return, and it appears he will, then the problem on defense was insufficient personnel, and that is something that Reese must fix. So, Reese better not bring back the same group of clowns on defense. Big changes are needed. Remember Joe Delaney
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Posted: 1/7/2013 10:15 AM
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Here is Perry Fewell's average ranking based on where his defenses finish every year. He's ranked 3rd from last in the NFL. Link courtesy of Blogging the Beast.
http://bloggingthebeast.com/2013/01/03/defensive-c oordinator-career-statistical-resumes/| Perry Fewell, Giants | Job | Overall | Run | Pass | Points |
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| 2006 Bills | DC | 18 | 28 | 7 | 10 | | 2007 Bills | DC | 31 | 25 | 29 | 18 | | 2008 Bills | DC | 14 | 22 | 13 | 14 | | 2009 Bills | DC/HC | 19 | 30 | 2 | 16 | | 2010 Giants | DC | 7 | 8 | 9 | 17 | | 2011 Giants | DC | 27 | 19 | 29 | 25 | | 2012 Giants | DC | 31 | 25 | 28 | 12 | | Average | | 21 | 22.4 | 16.7 | 16 |
Fewell needs to get better. That's really all there is to it. Save the SB year, he's only had 1 defense in the top half of the league and that was 14th.
Last edited 1/7/2013 10:15 AM by michugana
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Posted: 1/7/2013 10:21 AM
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clifffside wrote: Oh please!
Good defenses like Seattle and San Fran play press 2 man all day long against these spread teams. There's no reason why we can't do the same.The last time we actually had a top 5 defense under Spags, that was our formula.
You finish 31st in defense....guess what....your tactics deserve to be questioned. I don't want to hear this non sense about fans just don't know. I mean geez look at those gifs man. Those are free yards we gave up every stinking week!
No wonder we couldn't get a pass rush. +1 I couldn't agree more with any post I have seen in quite awhile. |
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Posted: 1/7/2013 10:21 AM
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Whether it is Fewell or the failed team philosophy of putting too many resources into the DE position, something needs to change if we want to get back to the SB.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 12:23 PM
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The issue with Amukamara is not his talent, but his health. He can't help if he isn't on the field, and he hasn't been on the field very much in his first two seasons. He broke his metatarsal in his first or second practice. He hasn't played more than a couple of games this season without turning an ankle or straining a hammy.
The big question is, will he become a reliable player or not?
A lot rides on the answer to that question.
As for the press versus soft coverage issue, I am heavily biased against "bend but don't break" defenses. I would rather give up a big play trying to get off the field than allow the opposition to eat clock while methodically moving down the field because we are giving-up underneath stuff. I think it is appropriate to guard the sticks on third down, even if it is more risky.
Of course, having no pass rush makes doing that all the more risky.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 5:49 PM
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YeOldeMtnWasp wrote: The issue with Amukamara is not his talent, but his health. I couldn't agree more. Much like Keith Rivers (over a shorter span of time), Amukamara cannot stay healthy. I don't think it's fair to assess him solely on his performance and not look at how he has missed 37% of his games in 2 seasons (he's played in 20 of 32 games and only started 11 games). |
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Posted: 1/7/2013 7:29 PM
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clifffside wrote: ...and have more of this type of coverage
Let him be physical throughout the game. That's what he does best. Thank you! I think this is when the Giants defense looks it's best when they're playing man-to-man tight coverage, which our DBs do best. We seem to give up more big plays playing zone read and our players read the play too late. I hope Coughlin and Fewell discuss this. I also think the coaches go to zone more when there have been injuries to help out the younger players, but like I said the reading and reacting is happening too late. BTW, Prince had a heckuva year.
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Posted: 1/7/2013 11:19 PM
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This from 12/8/12 NY Post article:
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports...TqikxYjYQ4HB3OP
According to Pro Football Focus, quarterbacks throwing Amukamara’s way last year had a red-hot 122.8 rating, the 10th-highest against any corner who had played at least 100 snaps. Despite needing an injection in his foot during the offseason, the quarterback rating against Amukamara is down to just 65.7, the lowest of any corner in the NFC East and a tangible sign of his improvement.
“For sure,” Amukamara said. “I am starting to feel more comfortable and [the game] is starting to slow down a bit ... the more reps I get. It’s just different concepts and knowing what the offense is doing.
“In college it was more spread in the [Big 12]. They were more slinging it. In the NFL it’s more of a pro-style offense, so it’s recognizing different routes. “Back at Nebraska, I played more just cover-one, more single-high. Now I have to read the zone and make my plays within that scheme.’’
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Posted: 1/7/2013 11:24 PM
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Two things I learned from that article:
1.) We probably had the best cornerback in the division last year
2.) I love the kid's humbleness. He has to play in a system that doesn't play to his strengths, but he doesn't complain. He just performs.
Last edited 1/7/2013 11:30 PM by clifffside
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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:28 AM
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Why is everyone so surprised that he improved in his second year? I mean, no rookie cornerback dominates, especially when they miss half their rookie season due to a broken foot. Prince had no chance for success in his rookie season, yet he did a decent job at the end of that season and through the playoff run. I don't remember seeing him getting lit up during the Super Bowl run. In his second year, with a full offseason and training camp, he was surely going to improve. Let's remember that he was one of the top 2 or 3 CB prospects in 2011 and the Giants getting him was a miracle. If he stays healthy, I expect him to become the best corner on the team in 2013 and be a strength for the Giants. If Webster can just figure out a way to rebound from a poor 2012 season, the Giants could have two good corners. Then you throw in Hosley having a year under his belt and another offseason/training camp and he should be improved next season.
All of that said, I want the Giants to either sign or draft another "good" corner this offseason. If they have a situation where again a top CB prospect drops to them, I wouldn't be against drafting him. You truly can never have too many good corners in today's NFL.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 3:23 PM
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Posted: 1/8/2013 10:32 PM
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clifffside wrote: Oh please!
Good defenses like Seattle and San Fran play press 2 man all day long against these spread teams. There's no reason why we can't do the same.The last time we actually had a top 5 defense under Spags, that was our formula.
You finish 31st in defense....guess what....your tactics deserve to be questioned. I don't want to hear this non sense about fans just don't know. I mean geez look at those gifs man. Those are free yards we gave up every stinking week!
No wonder we couldn't get a pass rush. Apparently a lot of fans don't realize that the game is decided on points, not yards. And that in points we were far from being 31st. In fact, while this year's defense gave up 7 more yards per game, they gave up 3-1/2 FEWER points per game than last year's defense. Which was on a Super Bowl winning team. So let's see. We gave up 3.5 points FEWER than last years SB winning team. We scored 2.2 point per game MORE than last year's SB winning team. And we suck. Maybe the fans really DON'T know squat.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 11:17 PM
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Well if you want to use points then consider this.
When it counted the most, this defense gave up 34 points to Atlanta and 33 points to the Ravens. Season over.
Plus the Philly game...a game in which the Eagles didn't even bother to show up...skew those numbers.
Watch the games man. It's obvious this defense has struggled for years under Fewell. That 6 game "All-In" stretch last year is the only sustained success I've seen from his unit in the three years he's been here.
That ain't good enough for the New York Football Giants. This franchise literally invented defense. I'm sick of mediocre squads.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 11:29 PM
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clifffside wrote: Well if you want to use points then consider this.
When it counted the most, this defense gave up 34 points to Atlanta and 33 points to the Ravens. Season over.
Plus the Philly game...a game in which the Eagles didn't even bother to show up...skew those numbers.
Watch the games man. It's obvious this defense has struggled for years under Fewell. That 6 game "All-In" stretch last year is the only sustained success I've seen from his unit in the three years he's been here.
That ain't good enough for the New York Football Giants. This franchise literally invented defense. I'm sick of mediocre squads. In today's NFL you can't win with a dominant defense alone. Its much easier to maintain success over a number of years with a dominant offense.(Pats, Colts, Packers, etc.) Most NFL defenses fall into the mediocre category. Its become an offensive league. |
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