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According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
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Posted: 1/3/2013 2:23 PM
According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
I'd say he is worth it, and furthermore the Giants have no choice but to pay him. If Cruz left, the Giants would be left with only Nicks who is constantly injured, and a bunch of backups that are not reliable at all.
Need Cruz back to have at least one dependable receiver. If Nicks doesn't play 16 games next year, he won't be back, at least not for big money he won't. Nicks is more talented than Cruz, but Cruz is always healthy while Nicks is CONSTANTLY injured. It doesn't mean much if you are talented if you can't stay on the field and contribute.
They need to open their wallet for Cruz and sign him long term. Then see how Nicks does in 2013 to determine where to go with him. I wouldn't be opposed to signing a veteran WR this offseason, a level 2 guy.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 2:48 PM
Re: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
Cannot disagree, he is worth it on the field and off...he is a PR Dream for the FO and when he is on the field, is electrifying...(although those bouts of the dropsies kills me)
Pay the man, Nicks' durability always seems to be a question mark...but watch Ruben Randle coming up, he shows flashes. I think the Barden experiment might be coming to an end and I would have said the same about Jernigan if not for the KO runback vs the Saints, that kid has that extra gear, just haven't seen it much...
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:38 PM
Re: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
I would not pay Cruz this much money. Cruz is an excellent receiver, but he is not an elite one.
I would give Cruz a first round tender and hope that another team signs him. In that scenario, the Giants would gain a first round pick and would have more cap resources to work with. If another team doesn't sign him, the Giants would bring back Cruz for one year without a long term commitment in dollars.
For me, a receiving corps of Nicks and Randle, with Jernigan as the slot guy, would be good enough. With that extra first round pick, the Giants could draft an OG, which would help the running game. In the meantime, the Giants could look for depth at the WR position in the middle rounds.
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Last edited 1/3/2013 3:46 PM by callmeSage
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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:00 PM
Re: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
Sage, a bird in hand is worth two in the bush. Cruz deserves to be rewarded for the past two seasons in which he has been grossly underpaid. Some of the hits he took this season quickly reminded me how short a career he could have.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:06 PM
Re: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
Randle and Jernigan are good enough?? Jernigan has show flashes but not much else and Randle is way to early to say "good enough"...Nicks seems to have times that he is made of glass...The one thing you seem to overlook is that Cruz is durable...
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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:12 PM
RE: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
I was huge on Jernigan coming into this season and he started well in training camps. There were reports that he was excelling early in camp, but then suddenly all the talk stopped and he never did a thing all year. Was he just not given opportunities or was he just not good enough? We don't know as we are not on the inside.
I'm willing to give Jernigan one more year before I say he's a total waste and cut him. Barden however is done, as far as I am concerned. Cut him and sign or draft another receiver to replace him (I prefer a solid veteran over yet another rookie).
If the Giants went into next year with Nicks and Jernigan as the starters, I would have very low expectations for 2013.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:34 PM
Re: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
If it was guaranteed that Randle would keep building off of his performance against Philly I wouldn't mind if we let Cruz walk. But it is not guaranteed, so re-sign him immediately.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:44 PM
Re: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
The problem is you just can't resign everyone. Giants have a lot of needs and not a lot of cap space. I like Cruz and want him to stay, but $9 or $10 million seems pretty high for him. By the end of the year, I was surprised at the numbers he had put up, because during the course of the season, I didn't think he was having a great year. He had some big plays, and some big moments, but there were big stretches where he was taken away by the defense and there were times he either had alligator arms or big drops. You pay your #1 WR that type of money...and Cruz, IMO, is not our #1 guy.
Reese is going to earn his money this off season. lots of tough decisions to come.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:51 PM
Re: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
A lot of guys are making those dollars on the current roster. It shouldn't be a big deal if the Giants part ways or restructure some deals.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:19 PM
RE: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
There's 0 chance the Giants let Cruz walk.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 6:54 PM
RE: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
$8 mil is nothing compared to the amounts
paid to OLD..UNDER achievers on this team
last 2 years.
Giants had it good with Cruz last 2 years
and helped them win the SB.
If we've rewarded those in the past and have
either gotten stupid slow..or OLD injured and
nothing has come of it...
Paying Cruz is the most simple task they have
this off season to start off RIGHT.
Next...Dump those that need dumping.
Pay the man...he's grounded and in his quiet
way...has more leadership qualities than Tuck.
He is also UNselfish...that's to his upbringing.
You cannot pay enough for that.
With the OLD slow NON-talent on this team that
must go...finding $8 mil per yr for Cruz...is
easy.
It's easy to be misled on his stats this year with
the simple fact that he was many times doubled.
Why? Because defensive schemes didn't need to
double any other receiver...because there wasn't
any one else worthy of a double team..plus Nicks
was out how many games? This put the double on
Cruz. Never mind the fact that you can't continue
to break or expect the EXACT numbers he did the
first year. Defenses are more aware of him now.
Last edited 1/3/2013 6:58 PM by bigjuje
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Posted: 1/3/2013 9:44 PM
RE: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
JR better pay Cruz because Nicks is not a #1 receiver. Nicks does not play 16 games, and I think that he is already too banged up to be a legitimate receiving threat. Lose Cruz and with a part-time Nicks you are not going to have much of a passing game.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 9:51 PM
RE: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
Let's not forget that the Giants offered Steve Smith a 5-year, $35 million contract with $15 million guaranteed during the 2010 season. Smith turned it down and went to free agency prior to the 2011 season and we all know how that turned out.
So I think Cruz will get something similar to that from the Giants.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 11:17 PM
RE: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
Steve Smith claimed he never got that offer...
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Posted: 1/4/2013 8:15 AM
RE: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
Lets ask ourselves, who are the best players on this team. My answers are, in no particular order: Eli Manning, Jason Pierre-Paul, Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks (when healthy), Bradshaw, David Wilson, Beatty, Baas, Bennett, Stevie Brown, Antrel Rolle, Linval Joseph, Boley, Webster. I might have missed one or two but that's off the top of my head.
My point is that Victor Cruz is one of the elite players on this team. Therefore, you don't let him walk, you re-sign him. The only way you even question letting him walk is if he wants a ridiculous amount of money. I don't believe in paying anyone so much money that it handicaps the team. So unless Cruz wants a 10 year, $100M deal, I'd be more than happy for them to sign him to something like a 5 year, $40M contract.
I don't believe that this team needs a major overhaul. It just needs a few adjustments here and there. The main spots that need improvement are OL, CB, LB and DL (in order of priority).
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Posted: 1/4/2013 9:18 AM
RE: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
Osi is gone and will be replaced with a draft pick. You take Osi's salary plus add in the dead money being released from Brandon Jacobs contract and you essentially have what Cruz is asking for. So it really is a no brainer.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 11:12 AM
RE: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
I wouldn't replace Osi with a first round pick. I believe that Kiwanuka is at least as good as Osi at DE (at least over the last few years). That's a wash. Tuck will either be back as the third DE, or he'll be gone. Lets not forget about the very promising group of DE's that were on this team last summer. Guys like Broha, Ojomo, Tracey, etc. Those guys are worth a roster spot as they are very cheap (Broha and Ojomo were undrafted). Also, its okay for the team to change a bit. If the DE's turn out to not be as dominant as the ones of the past 5 years, then you just compensate by stunting or blitzing more often. Having a good group of corners and linebackers make it easier to blitz more because you are actually covering the receivers.
The two positions that I believe warrant the first two draft picks are corner and o-line. I'd love to see a top corner drafted. I'd also love to see an elite guard or tackle drafted. I'd also like a center prospect brought in with a 2-4 round pick. Baas is the oldest lineman on the team and its not too soon to draft his replacement and groom him for a year or two. Who was the last dominant Giants center? Brian Williams? Its time to invest a draft pick on a center.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:16 PM
Re: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
Well they kinda allowed his Price Tag to go up, why wasn't he given a Long Term Contract after last season? Maybe they wanted to see if he was a one year wonder I guess but now he is a Pro Bowler and his Price Tag is much Higher  Plus his Popularity off the field has grown tremendously, probably one of the most Popular players off the field right now in the NFL While I do think Ruben Randle is talented enough to step in and produce if Cruz Price Tag Gets Too High, as mentioned already I am not sure about Nicks Durability either...but to Nicks credit the dude been out their playing at probably only 70% and running routes with a Limp and still coming up with great catches Pay Cruz! |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:33 PM
RE: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
2011 - 82 receptions 1536 yards plus 21 recepts in playoffs
2012 - 76 recepts,,,,1004 yards in 13 games ( projected to 93 and 1235 yds if played all 16)
you pay this man now NYG, where else are we gonna get this production from.
if this isnt one of the elite WR's in the league then what is.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:44 PM
RE: According to report, Cruz seeking $8M to $10M per year
The dream scenario is that Cruz is retained, Nicks is healthy next year and Randle takes a big step forward in his second year, like Manningham did in his. That would give the Giants three very good receiving options, plus depth for if, and when, one of them gets hurt. Then Randle can take over for Nicks in 2014 after Nicks goes elsewhere.
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