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Posted: 12/30/2012 6:19 PM
Future is bright offensively
The Giants will make some changes along the OLINE this year due to salary cap and performance reasons. I think we all agree, David Diehl is no longer a starter and we need to look for an upgrade at RT. Whether we do that in Free Agency or the draft or within house remains to be seen, but I think the Giants will address that.
But this unit will be very good over the next few years. I firmly believe the Giants will re-sign Cruz to a 4-5 year deal. I think we will get Nicks re-signed as well. Randle is going to be a big factor on the outside, allowing Cruz to work the middle and Nicks to move all over the place.
I think Wilson is going to blossom. This guy runs hard like Bradshaw does, but is way more explosive in terms of break away speed. Bradshaw has a couple more years in him, IMO. He has to stay healthy.
At TE, Bennett is a great blocker and had a very good year catching the ball. Another year in the offense will only help. We'll see what Adrien Robinson becomes as we all knew he would be a developmental project, but he has awesome athleticism.
With Eli in his prime, and two younger players in Wilson and Randle looking like they have a grasp of the offense finally, to go along with Nicks, Cruz and Bennett the Giants offense will be good for the next few years!
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Posted: 12/30/2012 6:42 PM
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Bradshaw and Nicks will both play four fewer games this year, the eqivalent of a quarter of an NFL season.
If that won't help them get healthy, presumably nothing will.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 7:03 PM
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Get a right tackle in free agency and draft defense. I agree. The offense looks bright!!!
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Posted: 12/30/2012 7:09 PM
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I don't wanna see Bradshaw back here. No need - Wilson does all that Ahmad can do, but does it better.
What we need is a strong runner to balance Wilson - perhaps Andre Brown, or perhaps someone we sign in FA.
I don't think you can give Wilson the ball 25 times a game and expect him to maintain his speed and elusiveness for a full season; you need to balance it out with a bruiser.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 7:19 PM
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I agree, considering we resign Cruz, i think the Giants have some nice offensive parts going forward. I think we need to replenish the OL, DL and LB corps via draft and free agency. And maybe another cb.
I think that is all very doable for another run in the coming years as we will have some freed up money we should be able to spend and a better draft position.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 7:20 PM
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I agree on Bradshaw and its not that I dont like him, but his ankles/feet have become a liability, would love to see Andre' Brown back, heck I would also like to see what Lumpkin could do with a full preseason with the GMEN, he seems to show some speed and power in his limited appearances.
Deihl has to go, not sure if Locklear will be back, he was a good f/a pickup this year.
Defense on the other hand is puzzling, is it Fewell or has Tuck, Osi, Canty, Boley and Webster put their best years behind them?...I cant see Chase being back or at the very least a starter next season, not with RGIII around, the defense needs to get faster, in particular at the LB position, havent looked at the final numbers yet, but I dont think Williams or Rivers were as productive as we had hoped, and they sure havent proven they can stay on the field any longer then a stretch of 2 or 3 games before they get hurt. Hopefully the draft brings us a LB or 2 and a stud o-lineman.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 7:35 PM
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Even though our season is over, i am looking forward and intrigued as to what moves the Giants will make to try and improve this foundation.
Yea i think Dhiel is gone. And Brewer is given a shot to start in preseason. There are some intriguing OL free agents like Brandon Moore/Levitre...or the Giants can go draft.
As for defense, i hope we make improvements at LB...DL...to get that push again at the line to get to the opposing QB, which was our forte. There are some intriguing DT prospects that should be going in 1st round.
And i am not sure if we are gonan target LB in draft but there are some interesting FA choices with Maugala, Ellerbe and Mclcain ( not saying i def want him) may become availabale and a project.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 7:39 PM
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Giants have plenty of talent and weapons on Offense...just need a more creative Offensive Coordinator IMO!
Hopefully James Brewer will be ready to take over at Right Tackle, Will Beatty had a break out season and hopefully James Brewer will have one next season, maybe bring in another versatile veteran like Locklear someone who is already familiar with the Zone Blocking Scheme
Jerry Reese focus should be on Defense first though!
Last edited 12/30/2012 7:49 PM by Cashus
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Posted: 12/30/2012 7:41 PM
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Don't expect the Giants to add a RT--they really like James Brewer.
On offense, the Giants need to add a young OG, but that is about it. The offense is pretty much set for next year, assuming they retain Beatty, Boothe, and Bennett.
The Giants will need to expend their energy upgrading the defense, which is one of the worst in the NFL. They need help everywhere on defense--pass rush, interior presence against the run, a starting MLB, and pass defense.
Thus, this off-season is all about the defense...... Remember Joe Delaney
Last edited 12/30/2012 7:44 PM by callmeSage
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Posted: 12/30/2012 7:53 PM
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callmeSage wrote:Don't expect the Giants to add a RT--they really like James Brewer.
On offense, the Giants need to add a young OG, but that is about it. The offense is pretty much set for next year, assuming they retain Beatty, Boothe, and Bennett.
The Giants will need to expend their energy upgrading the defense, which is one of the worst in the NFL. They need help everywhere on defense--pass rush, interior presence against the run, a starting MLB, and pass defense.
Thus, this off-season is all about the defense...... I agree. The Free agency period and the draft will predominately be spent upgrading the defense. Outside of Oline help, the offense is in pretty good shape. |
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Posted: 12/30/2012 8:17 PM
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I understand the desire not to rely on Bradshaw, but he makes $3.75M next year (next to last year of his contract). For a guy that missed 4 games but still rushed for 1000 yards, it's really hard to think the Giants will give up on that value. The key is to have other RBs share the load better. More use of Wilson and Brown should be enough.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:55 PM
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callmeSage wrote:Don't expect the Giants to add a RT--they really like James Brewer.
On offense, the Giants need to add a young OG, but that is about it. The offense is pretty much set for next year, assuming they retain Beatty, Boothe, and Bennett.
The Giants will need to expend their energy upgrading the defense, which is one of the worst in the NFL. They need help everywhere on defense--pass rush, interior presence against the run, a starting MLB, and pass defense.
Thus, this off-season is all about the defense...... Where do you hear they really like Brewer? I haven't heard a thing good or bad about Brewer. That is concerning because nobody knows what they have there. Most games he wasn't activated, and if he was he wasn't even used in jumbo formations. I agree on getting Beatty and Bennett back. I still think Boothe is a backup. It would be nice to see what is out there for the Giants as options on the O-Line in FA. I've got some options for the draft, but I'll save it for later. Yes, defense should be a focus. The Giants desperatly need a DT who can stop the run alongside Joseph as well as major secondary help. |
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Posted: 12/30/2012 11:58 PM
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I actually wonder whatwe have at RB. I personally see a lot of injury instability and players that are not terribly flexible. Their abilities in pass routes and in some cases pass blocking are frankly lacking. Ahmad is a warrior.......but a wounded one. Brown has had his injury issues. Wilson is very raw.........could be at his best as a KR. He has explosive ability......but it just seems like he is a spread RB and doesn't consistently mix well In some of the typical pro formations KG uses.
I feel good about WR and TE......but will Eli, TC, and KG be more willing to trust them next year. We have to prioritize keeping Cruz and nicks healthy. It may mean telling nicks he can't play games even though we all know he is tough as nails and will gut it out. Last year.......MM was able to step in successfully when nicks was a little banged up. No one guy did that this year. And I remain a little skeptical of Bennett in the pass game. He is fast for his size.......but it really agile.....it doesn't seem like he makes crisp route cuts.......maybe I am off on that.
Lastly.......I REALLY hope we get a monster, youthful OL.......like the guy Jones from Alabama. If Snee goes.......he goes. Diehl needs to move on. Hopefully we can bring back Locklear, Beatty, and Boothe and maybe Brewer will be more ready for prime time.
time is running out with this QB. We have been charmed.....but he will not be able to be this productive forever. This staff can't monopolize his career..........we have to think about the last chapter of Eli's experience here and how we can maximize it.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:34 AM
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What this team needs is for coaches to have more faith in the younger talent. Wilson & Randle were underutilized this year. Seems like coach Coughlin is too enamored with the veterans. Play your best layers! To hell with seniority.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 5:06 AM
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RTPGiants wrote: I understand the desire not to rely on Bradshaw, but he makes $3.75M next year (next to last year of his contract). For a guy that missed 4 games but still rushed for 1000 yards, it's really hard to think the Giants will give up on that value. The key is to have other RBs share the load better. More use of Wilson and Brown should be enough. I'd like to see them use Bradshaw as a 3rd down back. he is good at it and it would extend his career. Let Wilson and Brown carry the bulk of the load. Assuming we get the Cruz deal done and re-sign Bennett we are looking very good at the skill positions on offense. We need some new blood on the O-line, but some of it may already be on the roster.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 7:14 AM
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TheShade wrote:
callmeSage wrote:Don't expect the Giants to add a RT--they really like James Brewer.
On offense, the Giants need to add a young OG, but that is about it. The offense is pretty much set for next year, assuming they retain Beatty, Boothe, and Bennett.
The Giants will need to expend their energy upgrading the defense, which is one of the worst in the NFL. They need help everywhere on defense--pass rush, interior presence against the run, a starting MLB, and pass defense.
Thus, this off-season is all about the defense...... Where do you hear they really like Brewer? I haven't heard a thing good or bad about Brewer. That is concerning because nobody knows what they have there. Most games he wasn't activated, and if he was he wasn't even used in jumbo formations.
I agree on getting Beatty and Bennett back. I still think Boothe is a backup. It would be nice to see what is out there for the Giants as options on the O-Line in FA. I've got some options for the draft, but I'll save it for later.
Yes, defense should be a focus. The Giants desperatly need a DT who can stop the run alongside Joseph as well as major secondary help. I never read anything about Brewer except he didnt have the lunchpail mentality and he played in a very simple blocking scheme in college and had trouble picking up the Giants complicated blocking system.I would also like a link on Brewers progress if possible |
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Posted: 12/31/2012 7:25 AM
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It is amazing how a dominant offensive performance can alter our perceptions. The offense yesterday was the same offense that failed miserably in Atlanta and Baltimore. Granted it was against better defenses, but not great defenses. The right side of the line is porous on pass protection. The left side of the line cannot generate push in short yardage situations. The center makes a number of key mistakes just about every game. There is no depth on the line and if Brewer was the answer at RT don't you think he owuld have been active more often and even on the field in some situations? "Bad" Eli magically appears in november, and sometimes december, and no one has a clue why. Somehow TC in his talks with the individual players this week "hopes" to find answers. David Wilson cannot pass protect, even against a team three touchdowns down much less in a close game. Bradshaw can't practice. Man defenses against our wide receivers can shut them down and we don't seem to have the ability to change our offensive plan under those circumstances. We are predicatable in our play calling, yet have problems executing when we attempt anything new. We carry JJ and Barden on the roster, but we stick with a gimpy and ineffective Nicks.
Yes the defense is more of a mess, but the offense needs more than just "tweaking".
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Posted: 12/31/2012 8:34 AM
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mol10e wrote: It is amazing how a dominant offensive performance can alter our perceptions. The offense yesterday was the same offense that failed miserably in Atlanta and Baltimore. Granted it was against better defenses, but not great defenses. The right side of the line is porous on pass protection. The left side of the line cannot generate push in short yardage situations. The center makes a number of key mistakes just about every game. There is no depth on the line and if Brewer was the answer at RT don't you think he owuld have been active more often and even on the field in some situations? "Bad" Eli magically appears in november, and sometimes december, and no one has a clue why. Somehow TC in his talks with the individual players this week "hopes" to find answers. David Wilson cannot pass protect, even against a team three touchdowns down much less in a close game. Bradshaw can't practice. Man defenses against our wide receivers can shut them down and we don't seem to have the ability to change our offensive plan under those circumstances. We are predicatable in our play calling, yet have problems executing when we attempt anything new. We carry JJ and Barden on the roster, but we stick with a gimpy and ineffective Nicks.
Yes the defense is more of a mess, but the offense needs more than just "tweaking". +1 As great as it was to see the offense "clicking" yesterday, you have to remember that the performance was against a team that was mailing it in. When you add in the fact that we were dependent on the outcome of 3 other games to make the playoffs, the luster of yesterday's win is not so great for me. It was another roller coaster, head scratching, frustrating year for Giant fans. Even though I am thankful for the 2 recent SB's, I can't get the sinking feeling of the Atlanta and Baltimore games out of my gut. We absolutely stunk in those two games when we had our own destiny in our hands. Yes we need tweaking and personally I would welcome both Offensive and Defensive coordinator changes (ain't going to happen). We have Eli so we should be good. The reality is that Eli was not the Eli he was last year. He had some great games and also some pretty bad games. The defense was statistically bad this year. I do not like Fewell's soft, read and react defense. I also remember quite a few games where the offense was totally non existent for the 1st 3 quarters of a game. Some games started with Eli throwing a pick 6 early. I also remember games where the offense was doing well and the defense could not stop the opposing team. We scored, they scored! I would like to think that the future is bright for the offense but my concern is that as long as we keep the entire coaching staff in tact we will have the same up and down seasons that we have had since TC has been here. We need tweaks in the coaching staff too. Happy off season Giant fans! Let the speculation begin... |
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Posted: 12/31/2012 10:11 AM
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Tupperlake wrote:
mol10e wrote: It is amazing how a dominant offensive performance can alter our perceptions. The offense yesterday was the same offense that failed miserably in Atlanta and Baltimore. Granted it was against better defenses, but not great defenses. The right side of the line is porous on pass protection. The left side of the line cannot generate push in short yardage situations. The center makes a number of key mistakes just about every game. There is no depth on the line and if Brewer was the answer at RT don't you think he owuld have been active more often and even on the field in some situations? "Bad" Eli magically appears in november, and sometimes december, and no one has a clue why. Somehow TC in his talks with the individual players this week "hopes" to find answers. David Wilson cannot pass protect, even against a team three touchdowns down much less in a close game. Bradshaw can't practice. Man defenses against our wide receivers can shut them down and we don't seem to have the ability to change our offensive plan under those circumstances. We are predicatable in our play calling, yet have problems executing when we attempt anything new. We carry JJ and Barden on the roster, but we stick with a gimpy and ineffective Nicks.
Yes the defense is more of a mess, but the offense needs more than just "tweaking". +1 As great as it was to see the offense "clicking" yesterday, you have to remember that the performance was against a team that was mailing it in. When you add in the fact that we were dependent on the outcome of 3 other games to make the playoffs, the luster of yesterday's win is not so great for me.
It was another roller coaster, head scratching, frustrating year for Giant fans. Even though I am thankful for the 2 recent SB's, I can't get the sinking feeling of the Atlanta and Baltimore games out of my gut. We absolutely stunk in those two games when we had our own destiny in our hands. Yes we need tweaking and personally I would welcome both Offensive and Defensive coordinator changes (ain't going to happen). We have Eli so we should be good. The reality is that Eli was not the Eli he was last year. He had some great games and also some pretty bad games. The defense was statistically bad this year. I do not like Fewell's soft, read and react defense. I also remember quite a few games where the offense was totally non existent for the 1st 3 quarters of a game. Some games started with Eli throwing a pick 6 early. I also remember games where the offense was doing well and the defense could not stop the opposing team. We scored, they scored!
I would like to think that the future is bright for the offense but my concern is that as long as we keep the entire coaching staff in tact we will have the same up and down seasons that we have had since TC has been here. We need tweaks in the coaching staff too.
Happy off season Giant fans! Let the speculation begin... In some ways.....the end of this season sort of correlates with the 2010 season. We had control of our own destiny.....and we let it slide away. First in an abhorring show against the Eagles.....then by getting our doors blown off by the Packers. We came around to win the last game against the Redskins......but nobody really cared about that in the fan base. Don't get me wrong.....losing would have prob cost TC his job at the time....but it was really a game where we were a better team. I hope when TC meets with all of his players and discusses with them what they think was happening during our 2 game road slide that he learns something which he can apply for next year. It will start getting ornery in this neighborhood if we just find ourselves teased again with stellar performances paired with complete drubbings. |
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Posted: 1/1/2013 12:08 AM
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defense is a problem, but they need to get the best Tackle in the draft. Trade up if necessary, but enough of these OL FAs and developmental projects. Time to get an anchor.
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