Kid is remarkable.   I lost count of the number of times one of our (sincerely) great pass rushers had him in their sights and he just ran around them.   His ability to absolutely neutralize our NASCAR package by simply making them focus on contain rather than pursuit was astounding and telling about the future.    This guy is only going to get better and the personnel around him is only going to get better.   I feel he is going to force the Giants (and other NFC East teams) to take a hard look at their defensive philosophies and potentially adjust how they draft to fit schemes that can neutralize him.   I know it sounds crazy but I am glad RGIII is in the NFC East.   Whether he wears blue or not, he is a treat to watch.

The kid is very talented I`ll give him that but this is the NFL and teams will adapt and make changes, just look at Cam Newtons rookie year, very similar to RG3 but what has happened to Cam this season? My guess is that opposing teams made the necessary changes and know how to play against him and that why he`s having such a miserable season. I`m not saying that the same will happen with RG3 but there`s a good possibility.

He is exciting but lets give credit to the offense as a whole and the creativity he allows the shanhans to run with their offense.

The OL also plays the scheme well and their RB is a beast.

Nascar package is a waste against him. I would love to see a scheme of a 3-4 D that doesnt give him the option to collapse the DEs or read their play to make his play.

We have to make changes on the D to get more athletic LBs and you are right...maybe this kicks their butt into gear in making this apriority.

Imho I disagree,without a few costly penalties we had a big W up there in the column.I think the Skinz take advantage of the fact that if you built your defense to stop them you would get mud stumped by any power type teams,the idea in building a defense is to be competitive against all styles.We went with 3 safeties because we dont have 3 decent corners.I dont see RG lasting long if he keeps taking shots like he did last night

No doubt, RGIII is exciting, and deserves the acclaim he's been getting.  If I were a Redskins fan, I'd be excited about him too.

However, his game is very dependent on his legs, and week after week he's taking big shots.  At some point, he's going to get hurt.  Concussions are cumulative, and he's already had one this year.  Other parts of his body will only get more damaged from here.  When that happens, then where are the Skins?  Their entire offense revolves around his skills, and the backup will have to run an entirely different offense (or run the same offense more poorly). 

In order to have a long and successful career, RGIII is going to have to evolve to a play style that reduces risk to him.  He doesn't have to be just a "pocket passer", but I don't think what he's doing now (and their offensive system) is sustainable.  It will be interesting to see if the Shanahans agree and make adjustments to system, or just use him up quickly.

JDub19 wrote: Kid is remarkable.   I lost count of the number of times one of our (sincerely) great pass rushers had him in their sights and he just ran around them.   His ability to absolutely neutralize our NASCAR package by simply making them focus on contain rather than pursuit was astounding and telling about the future.    This guy is only going to get better and the personnel around him is only going to get better.   I feel he is going to force the Giants (and other NFC East teams) to take a hard look at their defensive philosophies and potentially adjust how they draft to fit schemes that can neutralize him.  

The kid takes too many hits.  Those wheels will break down.  There is no way he's going to continue playing at this level and remain healthy IMO.  Until then, he's a problem.  The guy was confused the Giants from 7 all night.

Giants are not going to change their philsophies over a team they play twice a year. Will they try and draft more speed at linebacker and safety? Maybe. But the Giants could very well have swept this Redskins team if they did not take so many dumb penalties and not disappear on offense in the second half. They were awful in the second half on offense, scoring only 3 pts against the 31st ranked pass defense in the league. Terrible.

CaptPierce58 wrote: Giants are not going to change their philsophies over a team they play twice a year. Will they try and draft more speed at linebacker and safety? Maybe. But the Giants could very well have swept this Redskins team if they did not take so many dumb penalties and not disappear on offense in the second half. They were awful in the second half on offense, scoring only 3 pts against the 31st ranked pass defense in the league. Terrible.

AMEN.

CaptPierce58 wrote: Giants are not going to change their philsophies over a team they play twice a year. Will they try and draft more speed at linebacker and safety? Maybe. But the Giants could very well have swept this Redskins team if they did not take so many dumb penalties and not disappear on offense in the second half. They were awful in the second half on offense, scoring only 3 pts against the 31st ranked pass defense in the league. Terrible.

I agree that things were close this year and I am not saying the Giants are going to make wholesale changes as a result of RGIII.    What I am saying is (a) this kid is only going to get more effective with time so his legs will stay fresher and he wont take so many unnecessary hits (who else remembers Manning getting CREAMED by Jerome McDougal of the Eagles his rookie year??) and (b) the Giants won't be able to continue to ignore deficiencies in the back end of their defense in favor of more pass rushing defensive ends.   The latter is going to force the Giants to emphasize a more athletic defensive backend and maybe even consider a shift to a 3-4 D as the NYG careers of Osi and Tuck come to a close.  

Just my 2 cents.

He blew right around Stevie Brown who made the mistake of misjudging RG3's speed.
We are certainly going to have to address RG3 defensively and figure out a way to neutralize his running.
Other than that I do not worry about him. He has a strong arm. He throws well but his accuracy has not been as perfect as all the hype would lead one to believe. He is a good QB and a good kid. But he is going to get his bell rung if he keeps running the way he does. He is dangerous with the legs and can throw. We better get some defensive players in addition to oline but we will improve the D to kick his a$$ just like we did to VICK. This kid is VICK but with a normal brain.

JDub19 wrote: Kid is remarkable.   I lost count of the number of times one of our (sincerely) great pass rushers had him in their sights and he just ran around them. His ability to absolutely neutralize our NASCAR package by simply making them focus on contain rather than pursuit was astounding and telling about the future.    This guy is only going to get better and the personnel around him is only going to get better.   I feel he is going to force the Giants (and other NFC East teams) to take a hard look at their defensive philosophies and potentially adjust how they draft to fit schemes that can neutralize him.   I know it sounds crazy but I am glad RGIII is in the NFC East.   Whether he wears blue or not, he is a treat to watch.

RG3 is not a great pocket QB, he'll be ok in the NFL but hes not going to go to the big dance. Think McNabb and Vick...flashy but ineffective against good competition.

Give it a season and then we can see how well RG3 plays when the entire league has tape on him and the Pistol Offense. Cam Newton was figured out greatly by opposing defenses this season after a good 1st year.

JDub19 wrote: Kid is remarkable.   I lost count of the number of times one of our (sincerely) great pass rushers had him in their sights and he just ran around them.   His ability to absolutely neutralize our NASCAR package by simply making them focus on contain rather than pursuit was astounding and telling about the future.    This guy is only going to get better and the personnel around him is only going to get better.   I feel he is going to force the Giants (and other NFC East teams) to take a hard look at their defensive philosophies and potentially adjust how they draft to fit schemes that can neutralize him.   I know it sounds crazy but I am glad RGIII is in the NFC East.   Whether he wears blue or not, he is a treat to watch.

I totally agree with your assessment, the man is absolutely the most pleasurable quarterback to watch in this league. In modern football, if you only have your arm to rely on you may very well be at a disadvantage. To have a QB that can move and throw like he can is the best of all worlds, and I hope the next Giant starting QB has these same qualities.

fifthavenuekid wrote:

JDub19 wrote: Kid is remarkable.   I lost count of the number of times one of our (sincerely) great pass rushers had him in their sights and he just ran around them.   His ability to absolutely neutralize our NASCAR package by simply making them focus on contain rather than pursuit was astounding and telling about the future.    This guy is only going to get better and the personnel around him is only going to get better.   I feel he is going to force the Giants (and other NFC East teams) to take a hard look at their defensive philosophies and potentially adjust how they draft to fit schemes that can neutralize him.   I know it sounds crazy but I am glad RGIII is in the NFC East.   Whether he wears blue or not, he is a treat to watch.

I totally agree with your assessment, the man is absolutely the most pleasurable quarterback to watch in this league. In modern football, if you only have your arm to rely on you may very well be at a disadvantage. To have a QB that can move and throw like he can is the best of all worlds, and I hope the next Giant starting QB has these same qualities.

Combining him and Shannahan was the best possible situation for RG3.  I can safely say unlike Cam in his 2nd year he won't hit that 2nd year wall. As for the Giants, they've never deviated form a traditional quarterback in all their history and never will.  Even though Dave Brown sucked, he still fit the traditional QB mold.

I'd rather have a QB that can stay in the pocket, sense the pressure, move well in the pocket with a great pocket presence and can get rid of the ball quick without having to run and get killed. I'd rather have an Andrew Luck type QB vs a Michael Vick type which RG3 is.

The biggest story Monday night was the Redskins D. They stymied the Giants when it counted. Lets not forget the lucky bounce TD they got, Without that the Giants win. I like RGIII he is a good kid and a great athlete, but he takes some really big hits which will wear on him over time. I tough Osi was going to plant him through to China!

BigBluePR wrote: The kid is very talented I`ll give him that but this is the NFL and teams will adapt and make changes, just look at Cam Newtons rookie year, very similar to RG3 but what has happened to Cam this season? My guess is that opposing teams made the necessary changes and know how to play against him and that why he`s having such a miserable season. I`m not saying that the same will happen with RG3 but there`s a good possibility.

Yes Griffin and Cam are very similar.......Whoaaaaaaa wait a minute. The Giants defence completely shut down Cam, but looked scared against Griffin. It makes me wonder aswell.

Despite his rushing #s this year, Griffin is more like Randall Cunningham and Donovan McNabb (in his prime) and Cam is more like Vick. For those who may remember this, the defensive strategy was to put a fast LB on the field responsible for shadowing the QB. This fell out of style, but if RGIII and others like him come into the league defenses will adapt again.

SB46GIANTS wrote: I'd rather have a QB that can stay in the pocket, sense the pressure, move well in the pocket with a great pocket presence and can get rid of the ball quick without having to run and get killed. I'd rather have an Andrew Luck type QB vs a Michael Vick type which RG3 is.

The problem is.....unlike Vick...and Cam Newton......this guy knows how to recognize defensive fronts and coverages.....and is pretty darned accurate.    Take a look at his QB stats this year......and the guys he is throwing the ball to.    Pretty impressive.   I thought he actually took worse hits in the pocket than he did outside of the pocket against the Giants.   He's a very polished individual.......and is going to be a pain in the neck to defend for years. 


This guy is going to be better than any of these 'running' style QBs.   Even if he ends up getting crushed and can't keep up his 4.3/40 speed.....he'll be happy to stand in the pocket and air it out.

Jayron Hosley can run a sub 4.4, can't he?  I wonder if having a speedster in there to shadow RGIII everywhere he goes would help without hurting the run game too much.