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Posted: 10/8/2012 12:31 AM

Ok..just to reiterate 


the new board is NOT up and running at full speed. No one intended folks to move in yet...hence the reason this board still exists. Folks (like me) who have gone over there have basically been to a sneak peek. The Fox board will improve and when it is officially open for business it will be better than it is now without a doubt.
Everyone has the right to choose what community they want to belong to. It is interesting, to say the least, how the past several days have played out.
I hope everyone has gotten the message that it is WRONG on many levels to be mad at the mods. They are pretty much as helpless as we are right now in this whole transition and passing on what info they can.
Be patient and keep posting on the PT board. If seeing is believing...umm yeah, we are still alive and kicking.
To those that abandoned the board and only come back here now to be disruptive/critical/implore folks to move to their new board..get over it. Being a jerk is still being a jerk. And this site is a business and you cannot stand in the middle of WalMart with a KMart sign. 
I wish those of you that left well, but please do not come here to harass the mods or spew crap. This is not an easy time for any of us and really...do you want to just make it harder? Has anyone from this board gone to the new board(s) to harass people? Not sure, but I think not. What does that say? To me it says a great deal.

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Posted: 10/8/2012 1:02 AM

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*sigh*

I really hate that this has turned into a vs. type of thing...

Personally I had no idea people weren't supposed to go over there yet.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 1:18 AM

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naelael wrote: *sigh*

I really hate that this has turned into a vs. type of thing...

Personally I had no idea people weren't supposed to go over there yet.
I agree with you. The PT knee-jerk reaction (imagine that) kicked in full force on this one. The FOX site is still under construction...but what has made this ugly is that some of the folks who jumped ship have come back here to act like idiots. Personally, I am waiting around here because this is home. I will wait until the new site is actually UP AND RUNNING before I freak out. I just want to yell, "Get a grip," but you know what...the folks that abandoned ship at the first rocky wave...hmm. Maybe they were unhappy here to begin with, in which case...DLTSDHYITA biggrin

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Posted: 10/8/2012 1:25 AM

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naelael wrote:
Personally I had no idea people weren't supposed to go over there yet.

There's just a bit of revisionist history going on right now......
Funny how that happens when multiple issues crop up.

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Posted: 10/8/2012 1:30 AM

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Ametrine wrote:
naelael wrote: *sigh*

I really hate that this has turned into a vs. type of thing...

Personally I had no idea people weren't supposed to go over there yet.
I agree with you. The PT knee-jerk reaction (imagine that) kicked in full force on this one. The FOX site is still under construction...but what has made this ugly is that some of the folks who jumped ship have come back here to act like idiots. Personally, I am waiting around here because this is home. I will wait until the new site is actually UP AND RUNNING before I freak out. I just want to yell, "Get a grip," but you know what...the folks that abandoned ship at the first rocky wave...hmm. Maybe they were unhappy here to begin with, in which case...DLTSDHYITA biggrin
I'm over on that site too because at this point... That's kind of the place to be. I am not even going to guess as to why it went that direction right away, but it did. I think people didn't know the Fox site was a beta thing and it upset them. I'll be honest, I was furious when I first saw the Fox forum. As for people staring problems...That's not really my thing and I don't see the need to do any of that.

I just want everyone together.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 1:37 AM

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naelael wrote:
Ametrine wrote:
naelael wrote: *sigh*

I really hate that this has turned into a vs. type of thing...

Personally I had no idea people weren't supposed to go over there yet.
I agree with you. The PT knee-jerk reaction (imagine that) kicked in full force on this one. The FOX site is still under construction...but what has made this ugly is that some of the folks who jumped ship have come back here to act like idiots. Personally, I am waiting around here because this is home. I will wait until the new site is actually UP AND RUNNING before I freak out. I just want to yell, "Get a grip," but you know what...the folks that abandoned ship at the first rocky wave...hmm. Maybe they were unhappy here to begin with, in which case...DLTSDHYITA biggrin
I'm over on that site too because at this point... That's kind of the place to be. I am not even going to guess as to why it went that direction right away, but it did. I think people didn't know the Fox site was a beta thing and it upset them. I'll be honest, I was furious when I first saw the Fox forum. As for people staring problems...That's not really my thing and I don't see the need to do any of that.

I just want everyone together.
Just please hang in there...today is so not tomorrow!

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Posted: 10/8/2012 1:47 AM

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Ametrine wrote:
naelael wrote:
Ametrine wrote:
naelael wrote: *sigh*

I really hate that this has turned into a vs. type of thing...

Personally I had no idea people weren't supposed to go over there yet.
I agree with you. The PT knee-jerk reaction (imagine that) kicked in full force on this one. The FOX site is still under construction...but what has made this ugly is that some of the folks who jumped ship have come back here to act like idiots. Personally, I am waiting around here because this is home. I will wait until the new site is actually UP AND RUNNING before I freak out. I just want to yell, "Get a grip," but you know what...the folks that abandoned ship at the first rocky wave...hmm. Maybe they were unhappy here to begin with, in which case...DLTSDHYITA biggrin
I'm over on that site too because at this point... That's kind of the place to be. I am not even going to guess as to why it went that direction right away, but it did. I think people didn't know the Fox site was a beta thing and it upset them. I'll be honest, I was furious when I first saw the Fox forum. As for people staring problems...That's not really my thing and I don't see the need to do any of that.

I just want everyone together.
Just please hang in there...today is so not tomorrow!
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Posted: 10/8/2012 1:53 AM

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I was here when people were told the new site was open and they were directed to start moving. They were also told that this site would be shutting down.
That was the last information put out for quite a while. People were left without much assurance on what was going to happen. They were worried they couldn't get into the new site and this site would get shut down. Nobody who went to another board wanted this mess. Criticizing them for their actions isn't an answer either.
The mods had little idea what was happening but some actions were taken which made the problems significantly worse. I've seen some messes before but this one ranks right up there.
A few people took action to try to keep the group together, provide a place to hang out until the dust clears. That's all most of us reached for.
PT has been a part of our lifestyle for nearly 15 years for many of us. We didn't suddenly lose our minds and create this. Miss are not blameless in any of it.
No information was provided about when this site would shut down. They made it sound like it would be soon. It doesn't take much to
unplug a server.
There were no updates pinned to the top to inform people. When people started registering elsewhere for a place to keep in contact a mod over reacted and and angry words followed. I watched as a split was forming and the actions taken made it significantly worse instead of better.
Posters here calling out those that went elsewhere labeling them whiners have served only to widen that divide until some longtimers are saying they don't want to come back.
It's a mess. A mess they didn't ask for.
The move has been bungled from the start. Banning people during this stressful time further exacerbates the problem.
Their still isn't a link to the new site stickied at the top, or information when this place will shutdown. Yes a few posts come out , but if you aren't here to see them they scroll of the page and people don't see them. Why start searching now when there has been a dirty of information.
Humans being what they are react differently in stressful situations. Rewriting history only serves to make things worse.
Let's try working together smartly, and keep the group together.

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Posted: 10/8/2012 2:16 AM

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Spellchecker changed mods to miss.
Sorry I'm on a phone, it has a small screen and won't let me edit.

BTW. Blocking the word guild was just another example of the childish actions which only served to widen the crack they created.

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Posted: 10/8/2012 2:38 AM

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It's coming from the right place Ametrine, but ...

The Fox Board isn't in beta right now and nobody knows right now how long this iteration of PT will be around.  It could be gone tomorrow for all anybody knows.  The mods don't know, they can only speculate.

What is clear is that Fox doesn't have their technology worked out, they have no communication plan, and they have no sense of responsibility to the community.  And why would they?  Long time posters in every message board are either blind to the ads or have some sort of blocker in place.  Long time posters don't generate revenue directly.

Does Fox plan on fixing things?  Nobody knows because they haven't communicated anything.  At some point someone there will say "enough is enough" and that may or may not be after all the important bugs get worked out - like whether or not people who have been in this community for more than a decade can use it.

As far as standing in the middle of WalMart with a KMart sign...  links to the other boards have been left up by the moderators of the first two alternative boards that popped up.  No censorship at all.  It has to suck for people that aren't daily visitors to come in here and find a significant part of the community gone with no reasonable way to find them.  Going as far as looking at people's PMs and censoring them or modifying them is too far.  That's going overboard trying to desperately hang on to people by leaving them no other choice.

I'm not trying to harass you or make it harder.  I have no hard feelings towards anyone.  While it wasn't hard to foresee something like this happening, the position that everyone has been placed in was impossible.  As a casual end user, as a mod, or as someone who's been coming here for years and years - how do you react? 

The last week has been chaos.  Anybody who is bitter with members of this board (or former members of this board) should think again.  I haven't seen anybody do anything having to do with the takeover drama that they didn't feel was in the best interest of the community.

Some people aren't coming back.  Good posters that have entertained and informed us for years.  If the interest is in keeping the core of the community together, go find where they are and join them.  If the interest is in trying to rebuild what PT once was, build a new board and more power to you.  But sticking with a board that may or may not be around tomorrow or with one that may or may not be fixed one day simply because the url is familiar just isn't logical.

Personally, I've been with PT for a LONG time.  It's taught me a lot about the game, the team, and it's been mostly fun going through some crazy seasons together. It has also helped me through some very hard times just by giving me a place to vent and by people give me support when I needed it.  It sucks to see this fracturing happen, but when all is said and done I think almost all of us will end up in the same place and it will be better because we won't have to worry about a corporate owner who will act without the community's interest in mind.

Until that happens, I hope nobody is forgetting to enjoy the 4-1 start.  It's been a fantastic season so far.  Message board drama will always be around.  A team that was supposed to be a basement dweller ending up in first place doesn't come around often.

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And one note to the mods - if you don't want to keep spinning your wheels just post a link to all the alternative landing spots, including the Fox one.  (Has a mod even started a thread with a link to the Fox board yet?!?)  People want to find each other.  You might know where to find everybody, but there are plenty who don't.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:26 AM

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This is blatantly untrue. All of it. First, we were instructed that the transition was happening at a precise day and time and to migrate. Even with this board still limping along, the server to this board could be unplugged at any moment leaving all of us stuck in the nightmare that is the Fox site.

Second, the posters who rolled up their sleeves to identify and even build other sites were working hard on behalf of the community to find a viable home for this group of posters. They did this only after seeing the disaster of the Fox site. 

Third, the most unpleasant posters - jerks as you call them - are those like Hauts. Others like the OP have quietly reinforced his message, fiercely criticized those seeking a solution to this mess, and never suggested that posters like Hauts were out of line. 



Ametrine wrote: the new board is NOT up and running at full speed. No one intended folks to move in yet...hence the reason this board still exists. Folks (like me) who have gone over there have basically been to a sneak peek. The Fox board will improve and when it is officially open for business it will be better than it is now without a doubt.
Everyone has the right to choose what community they want to belong to. It is interesting, to say the least, how the past several days have played out.
I hope everyone has gotten the message that it is WRONG on many levels to be mad at the mods. They are pretty much as helpless as we are right now in this whole transition and passing on what info they can.
Be patient and keep posting on the PT board. If seeing is believing...umm yeah, we are still alive and kicking.
To those that abandoned the board and only come back here now to be disruptive/critical/implore folks to move to their new board..get over it. Being a jerk is still being a jerk. And this site is a business and you cannot stand in the middle of WalMart with a KMart sign. 
I wish those of you that left well, but please do not come here to harass the mods or spew crap. This is not an easy time for any of us and really...do you want to just make it harder? Has anyone from this board gone to the new board(s) to harass people? Not sure, but I think not. What does that say? To me it says a great deal.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 5:10 AM

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I'm a jerk? lol
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Posted: 10/8/2012 5:44 AM

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Ametrine wrote:
naelael wrote: *sigh*

I really hate that this has turned into a vs. type of thing...

Personally I had no idea people weren't supposed to go over there yet.
I agree with you. The PT knee-jerk reaction (imagine that) kicked in full force on this one. The FOX site is still under construction...but what has made this ugly is that some of the folks who jumped ship have come back here to act like idiots. Personally, I am waiting around here because this is home. I will wait until the new site is actually UP AND RUNNING before I freak out. I just want to yell, "Get a grip," but you know what...the folks that abandoned ship at the first rocky wave...hmm. Maybe they were unhappy here to begin with, in which case...DLTSDHYITA biggrin
I think you are right that I good many who have looked elsewhere had issue of some sort but then you add on a major issue of a ill-planned transition and everything in everyway came to a head.

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Posted: 10/8/2012 6:54 AM

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It isn't a Target or Walmart redesign, it's a KMart redesign. It's a shockingly horrible forum redesign in 2012. If the Mods think it's merely a systems issue they're dead wrong. Sorry but the Internet is a democracy, if your product (esp backed by News Corp) is that inferior people are going to vote with their feet. The duty of Viking Update was to their consumers, to delete posts and alienate keystone PT members only serves to increase animosity and ensure they never make their was to the FSN board. This was not only an implementation and design failure but a failure in crisis management on behalf of VU and the mods.

This rule of crisis management was not followed:
"7. You’ve Got 48 Hours. The first 48 hours of any crisis are crunch time. If you are not ahead of the crisis by that timeframe, it’s likely it will run you over. The reason many companies fail to manage a crisis properly is because they fail to recognize one simple fact: when something happens, a communications void is created. If you don’t fill it, someone will, and the information they share is often inaccurate or incomplete. Overcoming a negative perception is nearly impossible, thus the reason to get out there as fast as you can and as frequently as you can. It’s impossible to over communicate in a crisis. You can say the wrong thing, but you can never over communicate."

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Posted: 10/8/2012 8:10 AM

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What we have here is failure to communicate, and I'm POSITIVE it's NOT the Mods fault. I signed up for another site, because I read this place was going to shut down, and I can't sign in at the Fox site. People don't generally like change, especially when what you have is great ! My hope is we all end up together again.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 8:41 AM

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if we weren't supposed to go to the new board, why are we being redirected there?
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Posted: 10/8/2012 8:58 AM

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Fox needs to get their you know what in a pile.  They redirected the site.  I know there is always a lot of bugs to figure out.  But it looks to me like they just decide to make the change and hope for the best.

I agree this was not in any way shape or form the MODS fault.  But it was Fox Sports Next.  Hell the site was taken down a couple times on Sunday, I would imagine because the traffic volume was to high.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 9:04 AM

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I have finally gotten signed in to the new Fox board and i am not internet savy enough to realize what is and isn't wrong with it. I had many problems trying to get signed in and finally accomplished it. I really couldn't tell if i was signed in and decided to make a post which did work.

However i love the community that is PT whether it be Fox, Scout, or the newly created unmentionable (here) site which was created by a PT member.

I have no hard feelings towards andy of the mods and think they did a very good job. It is like my former career in that you get no thanks and if it doesn't go your way then everyone against you sucks.

Saying all this i made a vow that when this came up i was going to stick with the majority of the PT family. I have done so and it appears as if now i am a member of 3 boards....All in the PT family. I will continue to do so until this board is shut down and then i guess i will be a member of 2 boards.

I have had a great time in my 3-4 years on PT and have found that other boards are just a bunch of A-holes who really dislike the popularity of PT. I say to them "too bad". PT is home to me and if it has to do with the community that i have learned to love then i say it is not too much trouble for me to be a member of 2 outstanding communities. It will be hard for me to toggle between 2 boards but this is what i will choose to do.

Love you all and hope that ya'll will do the same. At least until we can all agree on 1 board to be on. Yes and if that doesn't happen then i'll be splitting time.

Thanks to everyone in this community who have accepted me for who i am and not just a father of the player on your favorite team.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 9:19 AM

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It's very sad what happened. I don't know why people have to be so impatient and knee jerk. I lost some respect for those who cut and run to that other site. But I will forgive them if they come around. cool


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Posted: 10/8/2012 9:51 AM

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Pears maybe you don't read so very well.
Your post is exactly what many people get upset about.
Telling people they are impatient and knee jerk doesn't help the situation. We have about 200 longtime members sitting on the sidelines watching the lunacy involved with this move.
No one gives a rats butt about your forgiveness. They didn't create this mess.
The only ones jerking was on the part of a couple of mods here.

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