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Poor Lebron couldnt handle the hot arena

Posted: 6/6/2014 12:15 AM

Poor Lebron couldnt handle the hot arena 


I remember when a player by the name of Jordan played with the flu and 104 fever and dropped over 60pts in a playoff game. Lebron will never be the best ever.

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Posted: 6/6/2014 1:08 AM

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WindyCityViking wrote: I remember when a player by the name of Jordan played with the flu and 104 fever and dropped over 60pts in a playoff game. Lebron will never be the best ever.
I knew this was coming. I think Jordan was the best ever but some of the criticism of Lebron is just crazy. He cramped up so badly that he had to be carried off the court. It's asinine to think that Joran would have "ignored" severe dehydration because of his awesomeness. If you can't move your legs, you're fairly useless on the court.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 1:10 AM

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WindyCityViking wrote: I remember when a player by the name of Jordan played with the flu and 104 fever and dropped over 60pts in a playoff game. Lebron will never be the best ever.
No you don't.  He played with the flu against Utah, but didn't drop 60 points.  Jordan scored 63 in a double ot LOSS to the Boston Celtics in 1986 (His team was swept in that series).  Lots of great players have played this game and Jordan was certainly one of them, but is so is LeBron.  It's not like you can "will" yourself beyond cramps.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 3:19 AM

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WindyCityViking wrote: I remember when a player by the name of Jordan played with the flu and 104 fever and dropped over 60pts in a playoff game. Lebron will never be the best ever.

It's hard to take your Lebron bashing seriously when your entire example is based on false information.  Michael Jordan scored 38 points in "The Flu Game" not over 60. 

The fact is you can't push through cramps like you can with having a fever.  Anyone who has had bad cramps while playing sports knows it's not something you can just push through.  You can blame Lebron James for not properly hydrating before the game or whatever but nobody on earth wanted to be on that court more than Lebron James and it's tragic for us fans who want to see both these team's at 100%.  

Jordan is the best ever because he went 6 for 6 in the NBA finals with 6 finals MVP's not because Lebron cramped up during game 1.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 3:52 AM

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And, Jordan fouled Russel to hit the game winning shot After he fouled Malone to steal the ball.

It's irrelevant now but totally true. Stern wouldn't let #23 lose. Certainly not to Utah.

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Posted: 6/6/2014 4:50 AM

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You also can't "prepare" for the flu but you can "prevent" cramps by a proper diet and hydration.

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Posted: 6/6/2014 8:24 AM

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1) history of cramps
2) it was 90+ degrees
3) look at all the weightlifting he does

Didn't exactly surprise me he was getting full leg cramps.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 8:30 AM

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Another example of "team basketball" winning out over individual, "superstar" basketball. There are clear reasons why Spurs players didn't cramp up under the same conditions; because they aren't on the floor as much due to a complete "team" roster, and because every member of the Spurs contributes and not just 1, 2 or 3 individual players expending all the energy. 

We saw the same thing in the Western Conference Finals vs. the Thunder - KD and Westbrook are NBA All-Star players, but they can only do so much and they tried to do it all themselves vs. the Spurs and look at how exhausted they were in Games 5 & 6 - pretty much nothing left in the tank.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 8:39 AM

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When these teams show up at Miami next week they'll probably have the arena at 60 degrees by game time.  LOL

People forget that college and NBA players played for decades in packed arenas without air conditioning.  I don't blame Lebron at all for going out with cramps, and I don't think he's at "fault" or a lesser player because of it.  Stuff happens you can't control sometimes.   But the media is making way too much of this air conditioning issue with some even questioning whether the conditions were "playable."   Give me a break.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 9:15 AM

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AnthonyCarter wrote: Another example of "team basketball" winning out over individual, "superstar" basketball. There are clear reasons why Spurs players didn't cramp up under the same conditions; because they aren't on the floor as much due to a complete "team" roster, and because every member of the Spurs contributes and not just 1, 2 or 3 individual players expending all the energy. 

We saw the same thing in the Western Conference Finals vs. the Thunder - KD and Westbrook are NBA All-Star players, but they can only do so much and they tried to do it all themselves vs. the Spurs and look at how exhausted they were in Games 5 & 6 - pretty much nothing left in the tank.
Good story, but I ain't buying it. Five Heat players were in double digits, compared to five players from the Spurs. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all played about 33 minutes last night, while three other team members were also over the 30 minute mark. Duncan played 33 minutes; Parker played 36 minutes; and Ginobili played 32 minutes, while two other players were right at the 30 minute mark and a couple of other guys sitting in the mid-20's. 

I know it's a fun narrative for you, but these teams are quite similar in their makeup, in their substitution patterns, and in their scoring distribution.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 9:24 AM

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If Lebron would lay off the roids just maybe he'd suffer fewer cramping episodes....

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Posted: 6/6/2014 9:59 AM

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I don't blame LeBron as cramps difficult to deal with.  however both teams played with it.    espn   can F   off....  my gosh they spend 60 minutes after the game blaming the temp  why the heat lost.

you could see in the 3rd qtr  heat were getting tired and the 4th qtr would be tough on them.   heat don't sub enough guys.  spurs play 10 people.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 10:03 AM

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Gatorade doesn't feel sorry for him....  their tweets....

@ryanbkoo The person cramping wasn't our client. Our athletes can take the heat.

— Gatorade (@Gatorade) June 6, 2014

@LazyBumDrew we were waiting on the sidelines, but he prefers to drink something else.

— Gatorade (@Gatorade) June 6, 2014

With a game this hot, we're right at home. #WinFromWithin #NBAFinals

— Gatorade (@Gatorade) June 6, 2014
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Posted: 6/6/2014 10:17 AM

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cameras caught James and Wade leaving their shootaround showing all signs of being sick with the flu. Or perhaps poking fun at Dirk's 102-degree fever in game 4.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 10:36 AM

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VikesSBnow wrote: You also can't "prepare" for the flu but you can "prevent" cramps by a proper diet and hydration.
I am not a Lebron fan, in fact I cant stand basketball as a whole, but being able to prevent cramps with proper diet and hydration is complete and utter BS. You can take steps to TRY and prevent cramps, but there is no way to out right prevent them. Im an endurance athlete, no not pro or anything, however in my training run on average 100 miles a month. I do everything I possibly can to avoid cramping including spend a fair amount of money on gels, powders, and other products and read countless sports nutrition books.

And yet I can cramp at any time for no rhyme or reason, no matter the steps I have taken. Case in point, on Monday I ran 18 miles at an 8:15 pace in mid 80 temps. Felt totally fine after the run, no cramps, and wasnt sore the following day. Yesterday I did 4 at a 10:00 pace in low 70 temps, absolutely ideal day for a run. With in 45 minutes of finishing my calves cramped so bad that I literally could not stand with out falling. My routine in terms of prepping my hydration,  potassium, electrolytes, and so on is the exact same both days, and yet one day I cant hardly move.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 10:46 AM

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Some people in the media suggest that the Heat currently have 3 or even 4 future Hall of Fame players on their current roster: James, Wade, Bosh and perhaps Ray Allen. When one of those HOF players had to leave, James, where were the other 2 or 3 to carry the team? Isn't a player that's considered to be of the caliber worthy of the Hall suppose to step up in crucial situations and big moments? 

When the time came for Wade, Bosh and Allen to step forward and lead the team, they didn't play like Hall of Fame players; they watched the opposing team step up in crunch-time and get it done.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:05 AM

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Does anyone remember Isaiah Thomas heroics on a hobbled leg.  Suck it up Lebron!!!!!

http://www.nba.com/history/isiahheroic_moments.htm l
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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:17 AM

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TeddieBrown wrote: Does anyone remember Isaiah Thomas heroics on a hobbled leg.  Suck it up Lebron!!!!!

http://www.nba.com/history/isiahheroic_moments.htm l
Here, I'll post the link the correct way so other posters can actually click on it and read the article - http://www.nba.com/history/isi...ic_moments.html

Isaiah's injury that night was a severely sprained ankle, not cramps. Some media personnel will have you believe that nobody, not even the great Michael Jordan, could have played with the same cramps as what Lebron experienced in Game 1. 

Nevermind that NFL All-Time Great Ronnie Lott played in a 1985 NFL Playoff game with a crushed finger that eventually had to be amputated. Nevermind that Japanese gymnist Shun Fujimoto helped Japan win the team gymnastics gold medal at the 1976 Olympics after breaking his kneecap. Nevermind Tiger Woods winning the 2008 US Open on a broken leg and torn ACL. Nevermind Manchester City goalie Bert Trautmann finishing the 1956 FA Cup with a broken neck. And who cares that Byron Leftwich had his teammates carry him down the field after he broke his leg against Akron in 2002. His team came back from 17-points down to win. 

All those injuries pale in comparison to leg cramps and what Lebron experienced in Game 1 of the 2014 NBA Finals. 
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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:25 AM

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Lebron James might be at fault for cramping due to not properly hydrating or whatever but when you get bad cramps during any sporting event it can be impossible to continue.  People who say "suck it up" sound like they have never cramped up before because it's impossible to push through when it's like that.  

This whole thing is way overblown and we won't even bother remembering this later in this series.  It is what it is and we should move on to game 2.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:25 AM

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AnthonyCarter wrote: Some people in the media suggest that the Heat currently have 3 or even 4 future Hall of Fame players on their current roster: James, Wade, Bosh and perhaps Ray Allen. When one of those HOF players had to leave, James, where were the other 2 or 3 to carry the team? Isn't a player that's considered to be of the caliber worthy of the Hall suppose to step up in crucial situations and big moments? 

When the time came for Wade, Bosh and Allen to step forward and lead the team, they didn't play like Hall of Fame players; they watched the opposing team step up in crunch-time and get it done.
Of course they're playing a team that also has three potential HOF players on it in Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili. Don't try to make the Spurs out to be a bunch of overachieving scrubs. They were the best team in the Western Conference and I think they'll win in the Finals this year as well.
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