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Ponder surprised by Williams' comments

Posted: 6/13/2014 7:06 PM

Ponder surprised by Williams' comments 



Me too. I agree with Williams but I am surprised he would say those thing and then reconfirm with a reporter. It is just not usual. I found it interesting that Ponder did say he probably did hear it before from Williams. Williams also said he and other leaders on the team told him these things. I wonder who the leaders are. Anyhow, although I originally liked Williams' honesty, I now find it a little cheap. That stuff stays in the locker room, true or not it is disrespectful. Ponder seems like a good person and that us what really matters.



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Vikings: Christian Ponder surprised by Kevin Williams' criticism
By Chris Tomasson
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POSTED: 06/13/2014 12:01:00 AM CDT | UPDATED: 26 MIN. AGO


Vikings quarterback Christian Ponder throws during minicamp in Eden Prairie on April 30, 2014. (Pioneer Press: Scott Takushi)
Vikings quarterback Christian Ponder said he was "a little bit'' surprised by Kevin Williams' recent public criticism of him. But he insisted he has "tough skin."

Williams, a defensive tackle who agreed to terms Thursday with the Seattle Seahawks after 11 seasons with the Vikings, said in a radio interview Tuesday that Ponder is very smart but is "a little lacking" when it comes to making decisions on the field and with his leadership. Williams also said pressure has overwhelmed Ponder when he starts.

"It's a guy who's on the other side of the ball, so he's not as into it as some of the offensive guys, so I don't know," Ponder told the Pioneer Press. "Obviously, you want to be on the positive side of every player you play with. Honestly, I can learn some things and maybe try to get better at what he's talking about."

Ponder has had his share of struggles since the Vikings made him the No. 12 pick in the 2011 draft. He began last season as the starter but lost his job for the final four games to Matt Cassel.

"You can be smart as a whip in the classroom," Williams told SiriusXM NFL Radio. "But you got to be able to make the football decisions in a timely manner and kind of be able to see them before it develops ... You really depend on (a quarterback) to be a leader and make those decisions. I think he is a little lacking there."

Ponder has made 35 career starts in three seasons with the Vikings. Williams said that when Ponder has started games "the pressure was so enormous for him (that) it might have kind of took a toll on him."

Williams told the Pioneer Press he stands by his comments. Williams told SiriusXM he previously stated his views directly to Ponder, and he reiterated that.

"It's nothing he hasn't heard from me or any other of the leaders (on the Vikings)," Williams said.

When asked if Williams has said that previously to him, Ponder said, "Yeah, he probably did." Still, he admitted some surprise Williams went public with his comments -- adding that he doesn't "worry" about criticism.

Criticism is nothing new for Ponder, who went 2-6-1 as a starter in 2013 during a 5-10-1 season. But he insists he can handle it while knowing he must become a more consistent player.

"Everyone is going to be critical, and obviously how we did last year and kind of the last three years has kind of been up and down," Ponder said. "So people are going to have things to say about my play. But you got to have tough skin and get over it.

"I think I've always had tough skin. I've always played for tough guys and tough coaches and stuff, so I've gotten used to it."

Ponder is battling Cassel and rookie Teddy Bridgewater for the starting job this season. However, Ponder, who will become a free agent after next season, doesn't appear to be in Minnesota's long-term plans.

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Posted: 6/13/2014 7:11 PM

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Williams wasn't wrong in anything he said. i just wish players would keep that stuff private. that goes for what he said about Frazier too.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 7:21 PM

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Regardless if KWill should have said it his comments show how much Ponder hurt us. If his fellow players don't believe in him he is a distraction. I think there is much more we didn't hear behind this. Perhaps Ponder didn't work hard and it ticked off the players? Lots of comments have come out. Also had a wr when asked who the qb should be (last year) after Cassel won said "who do you think" inferring Cassel over Ponder.

When team player leaders are saying these things its over for Ponder, and many of us already knew this.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 7:30 PM

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i almost wish Ponder had fired back about how crappy Williams and our defense have been the last few years. it's not like Ponder's the sole reason we only won 5 games last season.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 7:47 PM

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i almost wish Ponder had fired back about how crappy Williams and our defense have been the last few years. it's not like Ponder's the sole reason we only won 5 games last season.

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Posted: 6/13/2014 7:51 PM

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We get it, banghead
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Posted: 6/13/2014 7:52 PM

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Hauts.....100% spot on. As much as Ponder had/has his struggles, he seemed to have taken the high road and accept the criticism without throwing stones back at KWill. It would have been easy for him to mention all of the last second losses or last ranked defense KWill was a 'leader' of.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 7:56 PM

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hauts81 wrote: Williams wasn't wrong in anything he said. i just wish players would keep that stuff private. that goes for what he said about Frazier too.
I can go with this. What purpose does it really serve.

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Posted: 6/13/2014 7:56 PM

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hauts81 wrote: i almost wish Ponder had fired back about how crappy Williams and our defense have been the last few years. it's not like Ponder's the sole reason we only won 5 games last season.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 8:03 PM

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If Kevin were smart,and he obviously is not,he would've spoke the truth about how a lot of his fellow players from last years squad felt about the horrible job the COACHES were doing.The problems on offense were no where even close to being Ponder's fault.The problems were with the incompetency of the OC.It would be the same if the offense would come out publicly and ridicule him for the defenses poor showings,especially in 4th quarters of games when the offense would get decent leads and the cover2 would give them away.It wasn't the players faults on defense,it was blatently obvious that it was bad coaching and an outdated cover2.To blame your qb,and give your OC a free pass,when everyone & their mother knew Musgrave orchestrated the terrible scheme to begin with is kinda selfish and wrong on so many levels.If we as fans,at least the ones who know the game well,and the experts on espn & nfl network,etc were calling for Musgrave's job as early as the bears and browns losses where he single handedly cost the offense many more points when he decided to go  conservative late,why couldn't Kevin.I guess it's the Percy syndrome,when you have sour grapes because the organization decided they were not what was best for the future success so they were let go or traded.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 8:11 PM

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royalpurple wrote:
Me too. I agree with Williams but I am surprised he would say those thing and then reconfirm with a reporter. It is just not usual. I found it interesting that Ponder did say he probably did hear it before from Williams. Williams also said he and other leaders on the team told him these things. I wonder who the leaders are. Anyhow, although I originally liked Williams' honesty, I now find it a little cheap. That stuff stays in the locker room, true or not it is disrespectful. Ponder seems like a good person and that us what really matters.



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Vikings: Christian Ponder surprised by Kevin Williams' criticism
By Chris Tomasson
ctomasson@pioneerpress.com
POSTED: 06/13/2014 12:01:00 AM CDT | UPDATED: 26 MIN. AGO


Vikings quarterback Christian Ponder throws during minicamp in Eden Prairie on April 30, 2014. (Pioneer Press: Scott Takushi)
Vikings quarterback Christian Ponder said he was "a little bit'' surprised by Kevin Williams' recent public criticism of him. But he insisted he has "tough skin."

Williams, a defensive tackle who agreed to terms Thursday with the Seattle Seahawks after 11 seasons with the Vikings, said in a radio interview Tuesday that Ponder is very smart but is "a little lacking" when it comes to making decisions on the field and with his leadership. Williams also said pressure has overwhelmed Ponder when he starts.

"It's a guy who's on the other side of the ball, so he's not as into it as some of the offensive guys, so I don't know," Ponder told the Pioneer Press. "Obviously, you want to be on the positive side of every player you play with. Honestly, I can learn some things and maybe try to get better at what he's talking about."

Ponder has had his share of struggles since the Vikings made him the No. 12 pick in the 2011 draft. He began last season as the starter but lost his job for the final four games to Matt Cassel.

"You can be smart as a whip in the classroom," Williams told SiriusXM NFL Radio. "But you got to be able to make the football decisions in a timely manner and kind of be able to see them before it develops ... You really depend on (a quarterback) to be a leader and make those decisions. I think he is a little lacking there."

Ponder has made 35 career starts in three seasons with the Vikings. Williams said that when Ponder has started games "the pressure was so enormous for him (that) it might have kind of took a toll on him."

Williams told the Pioneer Press he stands by his comments. Williams told SiriusXM he previously stated his views directly to Ponder, and he reiterated that.

"It's nothing he hasn't heard from me or any other of the leaders (on the Vikings)," Williams said.

When asked if Williams has said that previously to him, Ponder said, "Yeah, he probably did." Still, he admitted some surprise Williams went public with his comments -- adding that he doesn't "worry" about criticism.

Criticism is nothing new for Ponder, who went 2-6-1 as a starter in 2013 during a 5-10-1 season. But he insists he can handle it while knowing he must become a more consistent player.

"Everyone is going to be critical, and obviously how we did last year and kind of the last three years has kind of been up and down," Ponder said. "So people are going to have things to say about my play. But you got to have tough skin and get over it.

"I think I've always had tough skin. I've always played for tough guys and tough coaches and stuff, so I've gotten used to it."

Ponder is battling Cassel and rookie Teddy Bridgewater for the starting job this season. However, Ponder, who will become a free agent after next season, doesn't appear to be in Minnesota's long-term plans.
I know Ponder's salary is guaranteed for this year, but keeping a lame duck QB makes no sense to me.  I think they should simply cut the guy and use his roster spot for one of the new guys who shows promise but may be on the bubble because of lack of roster space.  Mckinnon can serve as a third string QB since, like any other NFL team, if the third string QB goes in, we're toast anyway.  I know Z&T said ALL positions are up for grabs, but the reports from OTAs have said Ponder is behind and struggling.  Cut him and give someone with a chance of a future (Tiny Richardson maybe?) a chance.  Ponder's had 35 of them.  Let him be just Sam's gigolo for all I care.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 8:19 PM

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OMG, why is this a story or surprise. Like we didn't know this already!!!

So sad fans harp on this sort of stuff, neither one are a factor with Vikes anymore. Baggage is cheap so don't carry it, move on & talk about today & future!!!
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Posted: 6/13/2014 8:22 PM

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Kevin did actually give criticism to coach Frazier.
wonka22 wrote: If Kevin were smart,and he obviously is not,he would've spoke the truth about how a lot of his fellow players from last years squad felt about the horrible job the COACHES were doing.The problems on offense were no where even close to being Ponder's fault.The problems were with the incompetency of the OC.It would be the same if the offense would come out publicly and ridicule him for the defenses poor showings,especially in 4th quarters of games when the offense would get decent leads and the cover2 would give them away.It wasn't the players faults on defense,it was blatently obvious that it was bad coaching and an outdated cover2.To blame your qb,and give your OC a free pass,when everyone & their mother knew Musgrave orchestrated the terrible scheme to begin with is kinda selfish and wrong on so many levels.If we as fans,at least the ones who know the game well,and the experts on espn & nfl network,etc were calling for Musgrave's job as early as the bears and browns losses where he single handedly cost the offense many more points when he decided to go  conservative late,why couldn't Kevin.I guess it's the Percy syndrome,when you have sour grapes because the organization decided they were not what was best for the future success so they were let go or traded.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 8:24 PM

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What he should have said.

"I want to apologize to Ponder and the rest of the Offense. As a leader of the 2013 Viking Defense...I have to honestly say I played like ****. I have no business ripping anyone else on the team, cause personally...I sucked ***.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 8:38 PM

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To be fair Williams wasn't the problem on defense. Remember they did let a 1st rd CB walk. I don't see anybody crying about coaching when it comes to Cook's bad play.
Edit: er 2nd rd
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hauts81 wrote: i almost wish Ponder had fired back about how crappy Williams and our defense have been the last few years. it's not like Ponder's the sole reason we only won 5 games last season.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 8:47 PM

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at least kevin williams was man enough to say it without hiding his hands and saying what he felt behind his back!


i don't ever see any of you guys complain about matt birk who used to leak locker room info to mike morris and badmouth teammates (who could then broadcast it on the radio).

didn't hear anybody complain about the front office leaking info to mark rosen about where daunte culpepper was doing his training.

all the gossip about percy, etc. -- where do you think that came from?

kudos to kevin williams for honestly answering a question that was asked of him -- it's not like he slammed ponder - it was probably the nicest way to answer the question honestly without having to be politically correct.

you guys don't like political correctness right? well here you go!

kevin williams is one of the greatest vikings ever. ponder is somewhere in the not-so-good category.

don't be hypocrites.
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Posted: 6/13/2014 8:57 PM

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To me its fine that it came out in a live radio interview but then he what surprised me is he goes into detail again with a Minnesota reporter. He didn't even need to say anything to the second reporter. It's as though he was holding a grudge and can finally let out how he feels. There must be more to the story, like I said it's just unusual.


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at least kevin williams was man enough to say it without hiding his hands and saying what he felt behind his back!


i don't ever see any of you guys complain about matt birk who used to leak locker room info to mike morris and badmouth teammates (who could then broadcast it on the radio).

didn't hear anybody complain about the front office leaking info to mark rosen about where daunte culpepper was doing his training.

all the gossip about percy, etc. -- where do you think that came from?

kudos to kevin williams for honestly answering a question that was asked of him -- it's not like he slammed ponder - it was probably the nicest way to answer the question honestly without having to be politically correct.

you guys don't like political correctness right? well here you go!

kevin williams is one of the greatest vikings ever. ponder is somewhere in the not-so-good category.

don't be hypocrites.

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Posted: 6/13/2014 9:23 PM

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royalpurple wrote: To me its fine that it came out in a live radio interview but then he what surprised me is he goes into detail again with a Minnesota reporter. He didn't even need to say anything to the second reporter. It's as though he was holding a grudge and can finally let out how he feels. There must be more to the story, like I said it's just unusual.


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at least kevin williams was man enough to say it without hiding his hands and saying what he felt behind his back!


i don't ever see any of you guys complain about matt birk who used to leak locker room info to mike morris and badmouth teammates (who could then broadcast it on the radio).

didn't hear anybody complain about the front office leaking info to mark rosen about where daunte culpepper was doing his training.

all the gossip about percy, etc. -- where do you think that came from?

kudos to kevin williams for honestly answering a question that was asked of him -- it's not like he slammed ponder - it was probably the nicest way to answer the question honestly without having to be politically correct.

you guys don't like political correctness right? well here you go!

kevin williams is one of the greatest vikings ever. ponder is somewhere in the not-so-good category.

don't be hypocrites.

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a lot of these minnesota reporter's (the guys that cover the vikes in the cities) are a bunch of cynical bitches. 

they just try to ask leading types of questions or questions that can start drama and gossip, etc.

i don't think it was any type of grudge, but maybe a little bit of frustration. you have to remember, he has been the best defender we've had this past decade, rarely missed any games, took a couple paycuts for the team, etc. 

this year, we drop him like a bad cold and only in the last minute (once we probably got word that other teams were legitimately interested), we try to give him an offer. 

perhaps some of that frustration was expressed at the expense of ponder, when asked at an inopportune time by a reporter who was digging for dirt or trying to stir up controversy.

here's an example:

i just heard the most recent jennings interview by paul allen (voice of vikings and local radio guy): he asked why it was that all of his TD's he caught was with cassel?  that's a very tricky question, because how do you walk that line of complimenting cassel and not disparaging or making some type of excuse for ponder?

once in a while i get sick of the double standard amongst vikes fans. some players can talk ****, some are not allowed to make a peep. reporters can ask any type of question, but there must only be a certain type of response that some fans must hear, etc.

you should be mad at the 2nd reporter asking the follow up question (after the interview response). 

also, player's that don't play well aren't very well liked. if a lot of the team thinks that a certain player is holding them back, there might be a lack of patience, to say the least. 

that's just the reality of the situation.



EDIT: btw royalpurple, although i responded to you, my comments weren't directed at you, i was just speaking in general - the only comment that was meant for you was the part about the 2nd reporter.

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Posted: 6/13/2014 9:36 PM

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Agree, glad he spoke the truth. We all suspected it anyways but he confirmed it. Like I said earlier maybe he saw Ponder not giving enough effort at the expense of the team. Maybe Ponder came across as "smarter" than his teamates and it rubbed them wrong.

Ponder is done in Minny after this season. For most fans he's already done. Time for Teddy.


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--- PassDaDutchie wrote:

at least kevin williams was man enough to say it without hiding his hands and saying what he felt behind his back!


i don't ever see any of you guys complain about matt birk who used to leak locker room info to mike morris and badmouth teammates (who could then broadcast it on the radio).

didn't hear anybody complain about the front office leaking info to mark rosen about where daunte culpepper was doing his training.

all the gossip about percy, etc. -- where do you think that came from?

kudos to kevin williams for honestly answering a question that was asked of him -- it's not like he slammed ponder - it was probably the nicest way to answer the question honestly without having to be politically correct.

you guys don't like political correctness right? well here you go!

kevin williams is one of the greatest vikings ever. ponder is somewhere in the not-so-good category.

don't be hypocrites.

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Posted: 6/13/2014 9:39 PM

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i almost wish Ponder had fired back about how crappy Williams and our defense have been the last few years. it's not like Ponder's the sole reason we only won 5 games last season.

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