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hauts81 wrote: Williams wasn't wrong in anything he said. i just wish players would keep that stuff private. that goes for what he said about Frazier too.
hauts81 wrote: i almost wish Ponder had fired back about how crappy Williams and our defense have been the last few years. it's not like Ponder's the sole reason we only won 5 games last season.
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royalpurple wrote: Me too. I agree with Williams but I am surprised he would say those thing and then reconfirm with a reporter. It is just not usual. I found it interesting that Ponder did say he probably did hear it before from Williams. Williams also said he and other leaders on the team told him these things. I wonder who the leaders are. Anyhow, although I originally liked Williams' honesty, I now find it a little cheap. That stuff stays in the locker room, true or not it is disrespectful. Ponder seems like a good person and that us what really matters.www.twincities.com/sports/ci_2...liams-criticismVikings: Christian Ponder surprised by Kevin Williams' criticismBy Chris Tomassonctomasson@pioneerpress.comPOSTED: 06/13/2014 12:01:00 AM CDT | UPDATED: 26 MIN. AGOVikings quarterback Christian Ponder throws during minicamp in Eden Prairie on April 30, 2014. (Pioneer Press: Scott Takushi)Vikings quarterback Christian Ponder said he was "a little bit'' surprised by Kevin Williams' recent public criticism of him. But he insisted he has "tough skin."Williams, a defensive tackle who agreed to terms Thursday with the Seattle Seahawks after 11 seasons with the Vikings, said in a radio interview Tuesday that Ponder is very smart but is "a little lacking" when it comes to making decisions on the field and with his leadership. Williams also said pressure has overwhelmed Ponder when he starts."It's a guy who's on the other side of the ball, so he's not as into it as some of the offensive guys, so I don't know," Ponder told the Pioneer Press. "Obviously, you want to be on the positive side of every player you play with. Honestly, I can learn some things and maybe try to get better at what he's talking about."Ponder has had his share of struggles since the Vikings made him the No. 12 pick in the 2011 draft. He began last season as the starter but lost his job for the final four games to Matt Cassel."You can be smart as a whip in the classroom," Williams told SiriusXM NFL Radio. "But you got to be able to make the football decisions in a timely manner and kind of be able to see them before it develops ... You really depend on (a quarterback) to be a leader and make those decisions. I think he is a little lacking there."Ponder has made 35 career starts in three seasons with the Vikings. Williams said that when Ponder has started games "the pressure was so enormous for him (that) it might have kind of took a toll on him."Williams told the Pioneer Press he stands by his comments. Williams told SiriusXM he previously stated his views directly to Ponder, and he reiterated that."It's nothing he hasn't heard from me or any other of the leaders (on the Vikings)," Williams said.When asked if Williams has said that previously to him, Ponder said, "Yeah, he probably did." Still, he admitted some surprise Williams went public with his comments -- adding that he doesn't "worry" about criticism.Criticism is nothing new for Ponder, who went 2-6-1 as a starter in 2013 during a 5-10-1 season. But he insists he can handle it while knowing he must become a more consistent player."Everyone is going to be critical, and obviously how we did last year and kind of the last three years has kind of been up and down," Ponder said. "So people are going to have things to say about my play. But you got to have tough skin and get over it."I think I've always had tough skin. I've always played for tough guys and tough coaches and stuff, so I've gotten used to it."Ponder is battling Cassel and rookie Teddy Bridgewater for the starting job this season. However, Ponder, who will become a free agent after next season, doesn't appear to be in Minnesota's long-term plans.
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wonka22 wrote: If Kevin were smart,and he obviously is not,he would've spoke the truth about how a lot of his fellow players from last years squad felt about the horrible job the COACHES were doing.The problems on offense were no where even close to being Ponder's fault.The problems were with the incompetency of the OC.It would be the same if the offense would come out publicly and ridicule him for the defenses poor showings,especially in 4th quarters of games when the offense would get decent leads and the cover2 would give them away.It wasn't the players faults on defense,it was blatently obvious that it was bad coaching and an outdated cover2.To blame your qb,and give your OC a free pass,when everyone & their mother knew Musgrave orchestrated the terrible scheme to begin with is kinda selfish and wrong on so many levels.If we as fans,at least the ones who know the game well,and the experts on espn & nfl network,etc were calling for Musgrave's job as early as the bears and browns losses where he single handedly cost the offense many more points when he decided to go conservative late,why couldn't Kevin.I guess it's the Percy syndrome,when you have sour grapes because the organization decided they were not what was best for the future success so they were let go or traded.
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royalpurple wrote: To me its fine that it came out in a live radio interview but then he what surprised me is he goes into detail again with a Minnesota reporter. He didn't even need to say anything to the second reporter. It's as though he was holding a grudge and can finally let out how he feels. There must be more to the story, like I said it's just unusual.------------------------------------------------ PassDaDutchie wrote:at least kevin williams was man enough to say it without hiding his hands and saying what he felt behind his back!i don't ever see any of you guys complain about matt birk who used to leak locker room info to mike morris and badmouth teammates (who could then broadcast it on the radio).didn't hear anybody complain about the front office leaking info to mark rosen about where daunte culpepper was doing his training.all the gossip about percy, etc. -- where do you think that came from?kudos to kevin williams for honestly answering a question that was asked of him -- it's not like he slammed ponder - it was probably the nicest way to answer the question honestly without having to be politically correct.you guys don't like political correctness right? well here you go!kevin williams is one of the greatest vikings ever. ponder is somewhere in the not-so-good category. don't be hypocrites.---------------------------------------------
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