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Posted: 6/1/2014 8:24 PM

Grade the Vikings 


Just the projected starters

QB - Bridgewater = C+ / Cassel = D / Ponder = D-
RB - Peterson = A+
WR - Jennings = B+
WR - Patterson = B
TE - Rudolph = B
FB - Felton = B+
LT - Kalil = B
LG - Yankey = C
C - Sullivan = B
RG - Fusco = C+
RT - Loadholt = B

DE - Griffen = B+
DT - Joseph = B 
DT - Floyd = C
DE - Robison = B
OLB - Greenway = C+
MLB - Brinkley = C-
OLB - Barr = C 
CB - Rhodes = B
CB - Munnerlyn = C+
SS - Smith = B+
FS - Exum = C

K - Walsh = A+
P - Locke = C+

KR - Patterson = A+
PR - Sherels = C+

After going back and looking at that the middle of our defense really concerns me. Floyd and Brinkley are two of our worst players. We're going to need Joseph to step up big time. Either that or move Greenway inside to MLB. 

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Posted: 6/1/2014 8:35 PM

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People like you crack me up with the lowball Ponder grade.I'd grade him as a B,same with Matt.The projection of Teddy would be a B+.If you judge Matt and Christian on their bodies of work in the league,a reasonable grade for Ponder can't be any worse than Cassel.One of them led a team with no #1 wr,a horrible defense and an OC who was the offenses biggest obstacle while he was here to a 10 win season and a playoff birth in 2012......Gee,I wonder which one that was? Ponder didn't start a single game last year with Patterson as a starter,yet he still led the offense to 30+ points per game and several 4th qtr leads that our cover2 defense let slip away.I guarantee that even if Matt wins the qb battle,which I don't think he will,it will be by the slimmest margin.Both veteran qb's now have a real OC calling the plays and their true talents will be available for all to see.I just hope they give Ponder at least the same amount of snaps with the 1's so he can be evaluated properly.When Matt goes with the 1's,he sure as heck better be well above Ponder statistically during practice when Ponder is running with scrubs and first cut personel.
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Posted: 6/1/2014 9:06 PM

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Stop.  He's terrible.  It's crystal after they selected another QB in first round 3 years later.  The new org saw nothing in him either.  Two different coaching staffs...same view of his talent and progression.

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Posted: 6/1/2014 9:17 PM

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Ponder may not be a d- but he is below Cassell. Bridgewater to early to truly grade. Same with other rookies.

Cassell may not be Tom Brady or Manning,  But he at least can hit some wrs down field, and move the ball,

Some over value him imo

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Posted: 6/1/2014 9:24 PM

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If you were to grade considering only starters, where you have a relatively even grading scale (6 A, 6 B, 8 C, 6 D, 6 F), I couldn't justify giving Ponder or Cassell anything above a C-.  I'd probably actually give Ponder a D and Cassel a D+.

Remember these are considering only starters so even a D is better than all but 20-25 starters and a few backups so I'm not saying either is terrible. Those aren't final grades, but to consider either of them alongside players like Ryan/Cutler/Newton/Rivers/Romo is probably not realistic.

Cassel & Ponder had the 25th & 28th best QB ratings last year (yes they were that close and yes last season was very close to their career averages) of 38 eligible quarterbacks.  Funny enough Josh Freeman's career QB rating is also very close to those two.
wonka22 wrote: People like you crack me up with the lowball Ponder grade.I'd grade him as a B,same with Matt.The projection of Teddy would be a B+.If you judge Matt and Christian on their bodies of work in the league,a reasonable grade for Ponder can't be any worse than Cassel.One of them led a team with no #1 wr,a horrible defense and an OC who was the offenses biggest obstacle while he was here to a 10 win season and a playoff birth in 2012......Gee,I wonder which one that was? Ponder didn't start a single game last year with Patterson as a starter,yet he still led the offense to 30+ points per game and several 4th qtr leads that our cover2 defense let slip away.I guarantee that even if Matt wins the qb battle,which I don't think he will,it will be by the slimmest margin.Both veteran qb's now have a real OC calling the plays and their true talents will be available for all to see.I just hope they give Ponder at least the same amount of snaps with the 1's so he can be evaluated properly.When Matt goes with the 1's,he sure as heck better be well above Ponder statistically during practice when Ponder is running with scrubs and first cut personel.
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Posted: 6/1/2014 9:37 PM

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Are you Ponder or a relative of him? If you are then I can understand.

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People like you crack me up with the lowball Ponder grade.I'd grade him as a B,same with Matt.The projection of Teddy would be a B+.If you judge Matt and Christian on their bodies of work in the league,a reasonable grade for Ponder can't be any worse than Cassel.One of them led a team with no #1 wr,a horrible defense and an OC who was the offenses biggest obstacle while he was here to a 10 win season and a playoff birth in 2012......Gee,I wonder which one that was? Ponder didn't start a single game last year with Patterson as a starter,yet he still led the offense to 30+ points per game and several 4th qtr leads that our cover2 defense let slip away.I guarantee that even if Matt wins the qb battle,which I don't think he will,it will be by the slimmest margin.Both veteran qb's now have a real OC calling the plays and their true talents will be available for all to see.I just hope they give Ponder at least the same amount of snaps with the 1's so he can be evaluated properly.When Matt goes with the 1's,he sure as heck better be well above Ponder statistically during practice when Ponder is running with scrubs and first cut personel.

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Posted: 6/1/2014 11:38 PM

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People like you crack me up with the lowball Ponder grade.I'd grade him as a B,same with Matt.The projection of Teddy would be a B+.If you judge Matt and Christian on their bodies of work in the league,a reasonable grade for Ponder can't be any worse than Cassel.One of them led a team with no #1 wr,a horrible defense and an OC who was the offenses biggest obstacle while he was here to a 10 win season and a playoff birth in 2012......Gee,I wonder which one that was? Ponder didn't start a single game last year with Patterson as a starter,yet he still led the offense to 30+ points per game and several 4th qtr leads that our cover2 defense let slip away.I guarantee that even if Matt wins the qb battle,which I don't think he will,it will be by the slimmest margin.Both veteran qb's now have a real OC calling the plays and their true talents will be available for all to see.I just hope they give Ponder at least the same amount of snaps with the 1's so he can be evaluated properly.When Matt goes with the 1's,he sure as heck better be well above Ponder statistically during practice when Ponder is running with scrubs and first cut personel.

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A B? He was the 28th ranked QB in the league last season. B means above average. I don't think there is any question he is at best a D. Why do you think the Vikings are doing everything in their power to replace him?
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Posted: 6/2/2014 12:52 AM

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vikingjedi wrote: Just the projected starters

QB - Bridgewater = C+ / Cassel = D / Ponder = D-
RB - Peterson = A+
WR - Jennings = B+
WR - Patterson = B
TE - Rudolph = B
FB - Felton = B+
LT - Kalil = B
LG - Yankey = C
C - Sullivan = B
RG - Fusco = C+
RT - Loadholt = B

DE - Griffen = B+
DT - Joseph = B 
DT - Floyd = C
DE - Robison = B
OLB - Greenway = C+
MLB - Brinkley = C-
OLB - Barr = C 
CB - Rhodes = B
CB - Munnerlyn = C+
SS - Smith = B+
FS - Exum = C

K - Walsh = A+
P - Locke = C+

KR - Patterson = A+
PR - Sherels = C+

After going back and looking at that the middle of our defense really concerns me. Floyd and Brinkley are two of our worst players. We're going to need Joseph to step up big time. Either that or move Greenway inside to MLB. 
Not sure how a person could grade BRob below griff.....think CP84 will be a A+ when used enough (can do anything harvin can do)...floyd in no way will be "one of our worse players"....I expect the rook RB to return punts but strictly as a returner sherels is above a c+....Rudy if used right and gets adequate QB'ing is higher then a B....Think you are low on rhodes also.

This is with taking into account improvement with age/experience/better coaching/playcalling. Which...any grading of the future...really should.

All JMO of course

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Posted: 6/2/2014 8:26 AM

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I think placing grades on players is premature, due to how much each player's evaluation was affected by last year's poor coaching staff.  However, it is OFF season, and I am bored as hell, so I will have some fun with it.

First off:

1.  As long as Turner is our QBs mentor & coordinator - Bridgewater will not see any C grades, his quick decision making, vision, apt check down skills will show very quickly...he will explode through the gates (when ready) & will produce B grades this year A- and higher going forward;  He is Rookie of the Year material & a future perennial Pro Bowler for many year's to come!   Cassel in new system might crack a C+ grade if given the opportunity.

Secondly:

2. Patterson is A- this yr and for many years to come; his upside is A or A+

Third:

3. Rudolf has an opportunity to grow his B grade to A- this yr, will he do it, do not know.

Fourth:

4. Kahil better be healthy;  Rook Guard Yankey will produce B- to B marks this year.


Zimmer's Defense:

Everyone will benefit from Zimmer's scheme.  Our DE's and Tackles will be rotating so they will not get the reps they were used to.  However, our pass rush will be much more active and players like Barr will be dominant.  I agree will Purple Czar, Robison is underrated and will also benefit from new scheme...Smith is going to have a Defensive Player of the Year season.   


vikingjedi wrote: Just the projected starters

QB - Bridgewater = C+ / Cassel = D / Ponder = D-
RB - Peterson = A+
WR - Jennings = B+
WR - Patterson = B
TE - Rudolph = B
FB - Felton = B+
LT - Kalil = B
LG - Yankey = C
C - Sullivan = B
RG - Fusco = C+
RT - Loadholt = B

DE - Griffen = B+
DT - Joseph = B 
DT - Floyd = C
DE - Robison = B
OLB - Greenway = C+
MLB - Brinkley = C-
OLB - Barr = C 
CB - Rhodes = B
CB - Munnerlyn = C+
SS - Smith = B+
FS - Exum = C

K - Walsh = A+
P - Locke = C+

KR - Patterson = A+
PR - Sherels = C+

After going back and looking at that the middle of our defense really concerns me. Floyd and Brinkley are two of our worst players. We're going to need Joseph to step up big time. Either that or move Greenway inside to MLB. 
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Posted: 6/2/2014 8:59 AM

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Seems like pretty fair grades to me.  Some players are too early to assess, so conservative grades (ex:  C for Floyd) are justified.

Wonka, are you for real or just a troll?

Ponder's three picks against Detroit were a big reason we lost that game.  Then he threw the easiest pick 6 of all time against the Bears.  He could only muster 16 offensive points in that game against a bad defense.  The Cleveland game was another horrible performance.  His BEST games were pedestrian, and they came against some of the very WORST defenses in the league:  Dallas, Washington, Green Bay.  Then he stinks it up against Chicago, gets injured, Cassel comes in and cleans up the mess.  

Never thrown for 3,000 yards or 20 TDs.  Averaged a puny 6.1 yards per pass in his "best" season.  His best plays come off of check downs to RBs and TEs.  Can't throw the ball down field consistently.  I was hopeful that he turned a corner at the end of 2012 in that game against the Packers, but the completely regressed and was as bad as wever in 2013.

Cassel is a C -, probably ranking anywhere from 22 - 25 in starting QBs in the league.  Ponder is a D at best, and in the conversation with the likes of Blaine Gabbert, ranking anywhere from 29 - 32.

He sucks.  Give it a rest.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 9:00 AM

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Few changes in bold.



QB - Bridgewater = C+ / 
Cassel = D / Ponder = D
RB - Peterson = A+
WR - Jennings = B
WR - Patterson = C+
TE - Rudolph = B
FB - Felton = B+
LT - Kalil = B
LG - Yankey = C
C - Sullivan = B
RG - Fusco = B
RT - Loadholt = A

DE - Griffen = C+
DT - Joseph = A 
DT - Floyd = C
DE - Robison = B+
OLB - Greenway = B
MLB - Brinkley = C
OLB - Barr = C 
CB - Rhodes = C+
CB - Munnerlyn = B+
SS - Smith = B+
FS - Sanford= C+

K - Walsh = A+
P - Locke = C+

KR - Patterson = A+
PR - Sherels = B+


vikingjedi wrote: Just the projected starters

QB - Bridgewater = C+ / Cassel = D / Ponder = D-
RB - Peterson = A+
WR - Jennings = B+
WR - Patterson = B
TE - Rudolph = B
FB - Felton = B+
LT - Kalil = B
LG - Yankey = C
C - Sullivan = B
RG - Fusco = C+
RT - Loadholt = B

DE - Griffen = B+
DT - Joseph = B 
DT - Floyd = C
DE - Robison = B
OLB - Greenway = C+
MLB - Brinkley = C-
OLB - Barr = C 
CB - Rhodes = B
CB - Munnerlyn = C+
SS - Smith = B+
FS - Exum = C

K - Walsh = A+
P - Locke = C+

KR - Patterson = A+
PR - Sherels = C+

After going back and looking at that the middle of our defense really concerns me. Floyd and Brinkley are two of our worst players. We're going to need Joseph to step up big time. Either that or move Greenway inside to MLB. 
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Posted: 6/2/2014 9:17 AM

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I'll take a stab at it.

Offense: 
Coordinator:  Turner = A  Musgrave = F

Grades given in ranges because Musgrave was really, really, really bad for our players.  

Anybody who pretends to know the upper limit on any of these players under Turner doesn't know how football works.

QB: Bridgewater (A to C) / Ponder/Cassel (A to D)
RB: Peterson (A++ to A) . . . the boy is really that good.
WR: Jennings (A to C) / Patterson (A+ to C-)
TE: Rudolph (A to C)
FB: Felton (A to B+)
LT: Kalil (A+ to B+)
LG: Yankey (B to D)
C: Sullivan (A to C)
RG: Fusco (B+ to C-)
RT: Loadholt (A to C+)

Defense
Coordinator: Williams C- / Edwards B+

Ranges given again.  
DE: Griffen (A to B-)
DT: Joseph (A to B)
DT: Floyd (B+ to C+)
DE: Robison (A to B-)
OLB: Greenway (A to B+)
MLB: Brinkley (B+ to C-)
OLB: Barr (A to C)
CB: Rhodes (B to C-)
CB: Munnerlyn (B+ to C)
SS: Smith (A to B)
FS: Sanford (B to C)

Special Teams
Coordinator
Priefer: B- (Sure, he almost is certainly as low-character as Kluwe said . . . but he's a decent ST coordinator so management will support him and a subset of fans will support him blindly and irrationally)

K: Walsh B-
P: Locke B-

KR: Patterson A
PR: Sherels B

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Honestly this is kind of a silly exercise given that we've got major system and coaching changes happening this year, but since we don't have games I guess we fill the void, eh?

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Posted: 6/2/2014 9:52 AM

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We're being very liberal with our grades.  Last year we were 5-10-1 team, which means the overall grade for that team should be no higher than C-.  An overall grade of B+ is how Super Bowl champions grade out.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 9:55 AM

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The list also includes 7 new starters at positions that didnt start here last year, 8 if you count Bridgewater as QB1.

CJ would have brought a D or D- grade, as would Guion. Both are gone. Cook would also bring a low grade and he was replaced. 2 new starters at LB where there would have been another D- grade for Mitchell. Paper grades dont equal SB championships unfortunately. 

Amaroneville wrote: We're being very liberal with our grades.  Last year we were 5-10-1 team, which means the overall grade for that team should be no higher than C-.  An overall grade of B+ is how Super Bowl champions grade out.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 10:27 AM

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Grading QB's seems to lose perspective.  Cassel and Ponder are both in that 25-29 range for starting QB's.

Perspective comes when you remember there are about 96 QB's in the NFL.  It's pretty hard to say they are anything below average as an NFL QB. 

If your baseline for measuring them is Brees, Manning, Brady, Rogers then yes they sure seem below average but when you realize several of the starters around the league have little to no seperation from either Cassel or Ponder you can only conclude that they really are about average for QB's in the NFL.  The odds that TB is ever at the level of those elite QB's is about 3-5%, most teams are better off building like Seattle and SF where average QB play can win for you because it is the rare exception that you get a QB that can carry a team.  Brees, P. Manning, Favre and Rogers have the same number of rings as Wilson, Dilfer, Hostetler, Simms, Doug Williams, McMahon, Rypien, and B. Johnson.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 10:41 AM

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Grading QB's seems to lose perspective.  Cassel and Ponder are both in that 25-29 range for starting QB's.

Perspective comes when you remember there are about 96 QB's in the NFL.  It's pretty hard to say they are anything below average as an NFL QB. 

If your baseline for measuring them is Brees, Manning, Brady, Rogers then yes they sure seem below average but when you realize several of the starters around the league have little to no seperation from either Cassel or Ponder you can only conclude that they really are about average for QB's in the NFL.  The odds that TB is ever at the level of those elite QB's is about 3-5%, most teams are better off building like Seattle and SF where average QB play can win for you because it is the rare exception that you get a QB that can carry a team.  Brees, P. Manning, Favre and Rogers have the same number of rings as Wilson, Dilfer, Hostetler, Simms, Doug Williams, McMahon, Rypien, and B. Johnson.

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The criteria is not QBs, it's QBs that played or started. Most assuredly Ponder and Cassel are below average when compared against their peers. Though they may actually be below some of the back-ups.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 11:02 AM

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Amaroneville wrote: We're being very liberal with our grades.  Last year we were 5-10-1 team, which means the overall grade for that team should be no higher than C-.  An overall grade of B+ is how Super Bowl champions grade out.
Maybe last years coaching staff should be evaluated as well.  How much fault was Frazier and Musgrave and there assistants responsible for some of that poor performance. Gripe about Floyd but would he have proven different if given the opportunity. How different would Patterson be if given the opportunity. Maybe Ponder and Cassell would have been better. Would a different blocking scheme make a difference. Could AD catch more passes? 

Zimmer even stated he is going to look at each player individually.Not how they performed last year. He doesn't know what the coaches were telling them. Were the coaches playing there game plan or program, or were they putting square pegs in round holes. Not playing those players at there strengths.

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Posted: 6/2/2014 11:03 AM

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It certainly depends on the criteria but I'd say when grading you should compare to starters, not to the entire roster.

Ponder & Cassel would be A/B range as #2 QB, B/C range when compared to all QBs that will be on NFL rosters, and D range when compared only to starters.

For qualified Quarterbacks, the "median" QB in 2013 was Matt Stafford and his 84.2 QB rating.  I'd call that a C. Given that Ponder & Cassel were statistically worse in 2013, and factoring in expected 2014 production assuming each started all 16 games for the Vikings in 2014, I'd be comfortable giving them a preliminary D.


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Grading QB's seems to lose perspective.  Cassel and Ponder are both in that 25-29 range for starting QB's.

Perspective comes when you remember there are about 96 QB's in the NFL.  It's pretty hard to say they are anything below average as an NFL QB. 

If your baseline for measuring them is Brees, Manning, Brady, Rogers then yes they sure seem below average but when you realize several of the starters around the league have little to no seperation from either Cassel or Ponder you can only conclude that they really are about average for QB's in the NFL.  The odds that TB is ever at the level of those elite QB's is about 3-5%, most teams are better off building like Seattle and SF where average QB play can win for you because it is the rare exception that you get a QB that can carry a team.  Brees, P. Manning, Favre and Rogers have the same number of rings as Wilson, Dilfer, Hostetler, Simms, Doug Williams, McMahon, Rypien, and B. Johnson.

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The criteria is not QBs, it's QBs that played or started. Most assuredly Ponder and Cassel are below average when compared against their peers. Though they may actually be below some of the back-ups.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 11:35 AM

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MindTheGap wrote: It certainly depends on the criteria but I'd say when grading you should compare to starters, not to the entire roster.

Ponder & Cassel would be A/B range as #2 QB, B/C range when compared to all QBs that will be on NFL rosters, and D range when compared only to starters.

For qualified Quarterbacks, the "median" QB in 2013 was Matt Stafford and his 84.2 QB rating.  I'd call that a C. Given that Ponder & Cassel were statistically worse in 2013, and factoring in expected 2014 production assuming each started all 16 games for the Vikings in 2014, I'd be comfortable giving them a preliminary D.


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Grading QB's seems to lose perspective.  Cassel and Ponder are both in that 25-29 range for starting QB's.

Perspective comes when you remember there are about 96 QB's in the NFL.  It's pretty hard to say they are anything below average as an NFL QB. 

If your baseline for measuring them is Brees, Manning, Brady, Rogers then yes they sure seem below average but when you realize several of the starters around the league have little to no seperation from either Cassel or Ponder you can only conclude that they really are about average for QB's in the NFL.  The odds that TB is ever at the level of those elite QB's is about 3-5%, most teams are better off building like Seattle and SF where average QB play can win for you because it is the rare exception that you get a QB that can carry a team.  Brees, P. Manning, Favre and Rogers have the same number of rings as Wilson, Dilfer, Hostetler, Simms, Doug Williams, McMahon, Rypien, and B. Johnson.

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The criteria is not QBs, it's QBs that played or started. Most assuredly Ponder and Cassel are below average when compared against their peers. Though they may actually be below some of the back-ups.
considering that some try to argue that Ponder isn't even an NFL level QB I'd say perspective is needed. 

I'd say if you want a better than average QB and Stafford is the minimum level of QB rubes will tolerate you better get prepared for a high likelyhood of long term disappointment.

Too much focus on the quality of the QB and lack of focus on the quality of the rest of the team.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 11:50 AM

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vikingjedi wrote: Just the projected starters

QB - Bridgewater =Potenially B+ could grow into a top level guy/ Cassel  C / Ponder =  Incomplete
RB - Peterson = A+ McKinnon = B potentially, Asiata= C
WR - Jennings = if he takes to the system he could be an A
WR - Patterson = I bleieve he will be a stud this year big play maker... A
TE - Rudolph = A will benfit most from Turner's offense
FB - Felton = B+ he shares the load will Ellison and the combintation is very good but B is fair.
LT - Kalil = A should make a step forward this year the baloney about his long term knee problem is speculation he wil be a very good player this year and be back on track to be one of the top LTs in The NFC.
LG - Yankey = C  rookie year maybe a C but his is going to be a very solid upgrade to the interior of the OL he is tougher and meaner than Johnson and will be more like the VIkings LGs of old. I think he will be a B+ or maybe reach an A at some point soon in his career.
C - Sullivan = B- Suilly is better than average but while he is smart he is not really tough, getting Yankey beside him may help and if Ducasse comes to play and finally puts it all together having him or Richardson as the RG could also be a big help to bring toughness inside.  Right now the interior is good but not mean enough.
RG - Fusco = C+ yep and maybe can be beat out by Ducasse who is more physically capable but mentally stuggling, or Richardson who is simply a better prospect all around.
RT - Loadholt = B is a good grade and I think he will keep the B play and if the play next to him gets better he may even look like a B+ or an A

DE - Griffen = B+
DT - Joseph = B maybe A (this is a guy who is really improving every season and is ready to be one of the dominant big men in the NFL, my guess is he will shine under Zimmer.)
DT - Floyd = C last yea for sure but he should step up next ot Joseph the duo can be very good. I expect him to be an A effort guy even if his results end up around a B.
DE - Robison = B As much as I really llike Robison I am waiting to see how he fits into the new defense.  I think that Zimmer has a type when it comes to DE and Chrichton = C this year and A next is it. Griffen = B potential of an A and Crichton and maybe Wooten= C, but Robison is a very strong and very good player. He will probably find a spot but not sure what it will look like.
OLB - Greenway = B+ I think he can extend his career with a move inside.Hodges=B- potential to be a B+ guy, may be the guy to take over if Greenway moves inside
MLB - Brinkley = C- not going to be the guy it will be Cole = B or Mauti = B but either of the two will turn into mental tough leaders. My bet is Mauti gets the job by opening day if it is not Greenway.
OLB - Barr = C  completely new position Barr has A+ physical potential but it would be hard to come in and live up to his potential. My guess is if the system limits his responsibilities and Greenway and Mauti or Cole become a very solid LBer package the SLB position manned by Barr could be a LT or Von Miller type of game changer position. 
CB - Rhodes = B - is a B+ starter with the potential of develop into potentially our first probowl CB in a long time.  Rhodes has to take a step but I think the change in system will benefit him a lot.
CB - Munnerlyn = B with the ability to still improve again he could be a B+ easy and maybe  an A-, it really depends. Munnerlyn is tough and football smart. I would not grade him as low you did.  I think he can help the Vikings back into the top half of the league against the pass this season and top 10 for the next few.
SS - Smith = B+ sure still developing player if he gets the right partner could become part of a very strong DB unit on the field 
FS - Exum = C maybe as a rookie but I think this will be steal of the draft.  I think Exum has a chance to be the DROY a darkhorse candidate as a 6th rounder but his impact could be felt. I think in the years to come he will be a solid if not top half of the NFL safety and push for a probowl spot.

K - Walsh = A+
P - Locke = C+ ?  this kid has a leg and is accurate.

KR - Patterson = A+
PR - Sherels = C+

After going back and looking at that the middle of our defense really concerns me. Floyd and Brinkley are two of our worst players. We're going to need Joseph to step up big time. Either that or move Greenway inside to MLB. 

I agree that Floyd as he played last year and Brinkley consider the MIKE of our old system is scary. But Joseph is a guy who has real potential to be special and if Flyod develops even to average he will be good next to him and Greenway or Mauti will be the MLB at some point this year in my opinion.

The rating system also has to be compared to what we have seen and we know nothing about what they will be asked to do this year.  This is a tough thing to do, rate people before you know anything about what they have to do. But all the same it is fun.

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