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The proof is in the pudding......

Posted: 10/3/2012 9:55 PM

The proof is in the pudding...... 


The Miami Dolphins lost to the Arizona Cardinals last weekend, dropping their second straight overtime game of the season. However, players all across the Dolphins' roster played exceptionally well. Two weeks ago, we worked our way through the Dolphins' roster, looking at the individual statuses of players in Pro Football Focus' rankings. After two more games, it's time to go take another look at the rankings.

According to PFF's overall team rankings, the Dolphins are currently the second ranked defense in the league, only behind the Seattle Seahawks. The team is second in run defense, third in pass rush, and fifteenth in pass coverage. As for the offense, the team is ranked twentieth overall, twenty-third in pass offense, and sixteenth in rush offense.

Turning to the individual players, the Dolphins currently have two receivers in the top ten wide outs in the league. Davone Bess is currently at number eight, while Brian Hartline is tied for tenth with the St. Louis Rams' Danny Amendola. Dolphins receiver Anthony Armstrong has not qualified for a ranking yet, but former Dolphins wide out Legedu Naanee was ranked as the 106th receiver, out of 109. Naanee was released by the team yesterday, with free agent wide receiver Jabar Gaffney being signed. Previously, Hartline had been the top Dolphins receiver with an 11th ranking, while Bess was 38th.

Tight end Anthony Fasano has jumped up from 17th two weeks ago to sixth in the league now.

Two weeks ago, running back Reggie Bush was ranked tenth. After missing the second half against the New York Jets in Week 3, and then having a less than stellar performance against a stingy Arizona defense this past week, Bush has fallen to 25th in PFF's rankings. Miami's second string running back, Daniel Thomas, has now qualified for the rankings, coming in as the 48th ranked rusher in the league.

Fullback Jorvorskie Lane remains the 11th ranked fullback.

Quarterback Ryan Tannehill fell from 17th to 23rd over the past two weeks, despite throwing for 431 yards against the Cardinals. He is still the second ranked rookie quarterback behind the fifth ranked Robert Griffin III. First overall pick Andrew Luck is currently 26th, Russell Wilson is 28th, and Brandon Weeden is last at 32. Tannehill is also the second in the AFC East, with Tom Brady ranked second overall, Ryan Fitzpatrick 30th, and Mark Sanchez 31st.

Along the offensive line, left tackle Jake Long moves to 43rd this week, well down from his 18th ranking two weeks ago. Right tackle, rookie Jonathan Martin, also feel, moving from 58th to 63rd, according to PFF. Guards John Jerry (28th to 36th) and Richie Incognito (61st to 63rd) both continue the Miami offensive line trend of falling down the rankings.

However, second year center Mike Pouncey bucks that trend, going from the second ranked center two weeks ago to the top guy at the position.

Turning to the defensive side of the ball, Cameron Wake matches Pouncey's top ranking, with Wake taking over as the top 4-3 defensive end in the league after being sixth two weeks ago. Wake's dominance as a pass rusher is not limited to just 4-3 DEs, however.

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Right now Cameron Wake is the league's best pure pass-rusher. And we're not forgetting anybody.
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Behind Wake among defensive ends, the Dolphins have Olivier Vernon, who is ranked 27th in the league after being 39th and Jared Odrick who moved from 39th down two to 41st.

As for the interior linemen, Randy Starks remains in the top ten in the league falling from second to seventh over the last couple of games, while Paul Soliai fell from 11th to 15th.

The Miami outside linebackers both jumped way up the charts, with Kevin Burnett moving from 28th two weeks ago to 9th now and Koa Misi going from 23rd to 13th. Inside linebacker Karlos Dansby had a similar jump, going from 24th to being the second ranked inside linebacker in the league, only trailing San Francisco $9ers linebacker NaVorro Bowman.

Sean Smith led the Miami cornerbacks two weeks ago with a 36th ranking. He is still the best corner on the team, according to PFF's rankings, but he is a more respectable 23rd in the league now. If he can continue to play like he did against the Cardinals, he will continue to climb up the rankings throughout the season. Behind Smith, Miami has the 85th ranked Richard Marshall (down from 50th) and the 88th ranked Nolan Carroll (down from 82nd).

And, just like two weeks ago, we have an update on former Miami corner Vontae Davis. This time, however, it was not hard to find the ranking - PFF tweeted it out:

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Throwing at Vontae Davis is giving QBs a 155.4 QB rating through 4 games. Worst mark in the league
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Both Dolphins safeties have moved up the board this week. Reshad Jones, who previously was ranked third in the league, is now second, while Chris Clemons moves from 29th to 14th.

Dan Carpenter, who has missed three long field goals over the past two weeks, any of which could have won either game for Miami, remains the 21st ranked kicker in the league. Punter Brandon Fields, who was sixth two weeks ago, has moved up to third in the league. Meanwhile, return man Marcus Thigpen fell from third in the league to 11th, while Davone Bess entered the rankings at 43rd.

Despite a 1-3 record, the Dolphins are looking good when you see their individual rankings. Now it's just a matter of the team being able to put it all together for 60 full minutes (assuming they can stop taking games into overtime). Hopefully this week against the Cincinnati Bengals will allow the team to do exactly that.

This article is very encouraging. We went from the worst receiving core to having 2 in the top ten pretty impressive. The problem is we need one more solid wr. I forgot where I read it but it showed tannehills rating with two wr sets and it was like 95 . With 3 and four sets it was in the 50's.he also is fourth in the league in qbr in the fourth quarter
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Posted: 10/3/2012 11:39 PM

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love it...good things with this bunch !
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Posted: 10/4/2012 7:22 AM

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Thanks for the post!  A lot of good points in there.

My thoughts:

I think drafting Pouncey was a great pick.  He has the attitude you want for a successful team.

Tannehill has been a pleasant surprise even to the point of making these loses bearable.  

Brian Hartline may be the even bigger surprise.  I'm not sure he can do this consistently against top level corners but I'll enjoy the ride.  I think we are closer at WR than anybody thought.  We certainly need a true #1 but Hartline appears to be a legit #2 and Bess a #3.

It appears these stats validate the trade of Vontae Davis.

Dansby seems to be finally playing at a level that warrants the amount we paid him.

Is Smith finally emerging or is because he's entering a contract year?  You have to love the height and speed.  We still need another CB and I think we have to take one with one of our top 5 picks.

What to do with Jake Long?  He's obviously the face of the Dolphins or at least was before RTH.  I don't believe you can pay an OT $11-$12 million that he will probably demand.  Maybe if he continues to play at this level we can get him in the $8-$9 million range.  Do you risk unsettling this OL by letting him walk if he demands more than Joe Thomas got?  Will he be able to stay healthy over his career?

Wake has jumped up in the rankings.  He has been good at putting pressure on Qb's while not getting sacks.  My concern is the guy can disappear at times and isn't a disruptive force or at least not at the level of a Matthews, Watt or Ware.

Will Vernon contniue to emerge to be that pass rusher we need?  I think Ordrick is to slow to be great at that position but could move inside.

I think our needs with our top 5 picks entering the draft next year are in no particular order:  WR, CB, S, G and TE.  If a TE isn't available then you go with another WR.
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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:27 AM

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mlb1399 wrote:
I think drafting Pouncey was a great pick.  He has the attitude you want for a successful team.

I didn't like the pick at the time, but loving it now.

It appears these stats validate the trade of Vontae Davis.

Ya, I also was a little confused with this trade at the time, but looks great so far for the Phins.

What to do with Jake Long?  He's obviously the face of the Dolphins or at least was before RTH.  I don't believe you can pay an OT $11-$12 million that he will probably demand.  Maybe if he continues to play at this level we can get him in the $8-$9 million range.  Do you risk unsettling this OL by letting him walk if he demands more than Joe Thomas got?  Will he be able to stay healthy over his career?

This is a tough one. I like the idea of having Long at LT. He is solid when healthy and has lived up to the pick, again when healthy. Problem is his cap hit. Letting him go means adding LT to the wish list.

Will Vernon contniue to emerge to be that pass rusher we need?  I think Ordrick is to slow to be great at that position but could move inside.

I like the idea of Odrick at DE on 1st and 2nd then on obvious pass situations moving him inside.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 2:14 PM

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With regard to Long, considering what his new contract costs will be it's very possible we could spend a 2nd round pick on LT. Assuming we use our #1 on a WR, we have 2 second round picks and could go LT and CB in round 2.
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Posted: 10/4/2012 2:28 PM

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Not sure how PPF ranks Miami's running offense at 16th when it is actually ranked 4th averaging 4.6 yards per carry and 153.2 per game and Reggie bush is a big reason so ranking him 25th seem to be really low, he's top 5 running back and has earned it, Allso ranking our pass rush as #3 is pushing it alot I would think were some where in the middle of the pack.

Jake Long is not a natural LT and played gaurd in college, hate to say it but the QB Matt Ryan should of been pick #1. Don't get me wrong I like Long and I hope he remains a Dolphin but he is not worth top dollar LT money.

Vontae Davis coming out still had good natural cornerback talent, maybe not a professional mentality. He was not a bad pick but I'm not sure exactly why he started to slip, you would have to be a player or coach on the team to know. Should be playing better ball than Sean Smith right now and one of the top corners in the league, he is squandering his talent and it is a shame....
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Posted: 10/4/2012 2:41 PM

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Not sure how PPF ranks Miami's running offense at 16th when it is actually ranked 4th averaging 4.6 yards per carry and 153.2 per game and Reggie bush is a big reason so ranking him 25th seem to be really low, he's top 5 running back and has earned it, Allso ranking our pass rush as #3 is pushing it alot I would think were some where in the middle of the pack.

Jake Long is not a natural LT and played gaurd in college, hate to say it but the QB Matt Ryan should of been pick #1. Don't get me wrong I like Long and I hope he remains a Dolphin but he is not worth top dollar LT money.

Vontae Davis coming out still had good natural cornerback talent, maybe not a professional mentality. He was not a bad pick but I'm not sure exactly why he started to slip, you would have to be a player or coach on the team to know. Should be playing better ball than Sean Smith right now and one of the top corners in the league, he is squandering his talent and it is a shame....

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I don't get why our rushing attack is so middle of the pack, but it could have something to do with the fact that we really are only effective running off of the left side of the line. As for Reggie bush's rating, he can't block and he hasn't been a particularly effective receiver for us, which to me is on Mike Sherman as Reggie clearly has the skill set. There is more to runningback than running the ball, which explains his mediocre rating (and also explains why D Thomas still gets more pt than Lamar Miller)

As for Jake Long not being a natural LT, the fact that he was the best LT in football for 3 years is evidence to the contrary. He may have played some G in college, but he made his name as an LT where he DOMINATED. Not-natural tackles don't go #1 overall. I agree in hindsight that Ryan should've been the pick, but there's the Parcells blueprint for you...
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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:53 PM

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Jschwald wrote:

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Not sure how PPF ranks Miami's running offense at 16th when it is actually ranked 4th averaging 4.6 yards per carry and 153.2 per game and Reggie bush is a big reason so ranking him 25th seem to be really low, he's top 5 running back and has earned it, Allso ranking our pass rush as #3 is pushing it alot I would think were some where in the middle of the pack.

Jake Long is not a natural LT and played gaurd in college, hate to say it but the QB Matt Ryan should of been pick #1. Don't get me wrong I like Long and I hope he remains a Dolphin but he is not worth top dollar LT money.

Vontae Davis coming out still had good natural cornerback talent, maybe not a professional mentality. He was not a bad pick but I'm not sure exactly why he started to slip, you would have to be a player or coach on the team to know. Should be playing better ball than Sean Smith right now and one of the top corners in the league, he is squandering his talent and it is a shame....

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I don't get why our rushing attack is so middle of the pack, but it could have something to do with the fact that we really are only effective running off of the left side of the line. As for Reggie bush's rating, he can't block and he hasn't been a particularly effective receiver for us, which to me is on Mike Sherman as Reggie clearly has the skill set. There is more to runningback than running the ball, which explains his mediocre rating (and also explains why D Thomas still gets more pt than Lamar Miller)

As for Jake Long not being a natural LT, the fact that he was the best LT in football for 3 years is evidence to the contrary. He may have played some G in college, but he made his name as an LT where he DOMINATED. Not-natural tackles don't go #1 overall. I agree in hindsight that Ryan should've been the pick, but there's the Parcells blueprint for you...


Our pass rush is skewed based on the 8 sacks we had last game.  Besides that, it was non-existent.

In terms of Long, I just don't think you can pay an OL that much money.  If you're gonna shell out $10MM it better be a playmaker like QB, DE and maybe a WR.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 10:03 AM

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Our pass rush rating was definitely helped by the 8 sacks, but not as much as you might think. We had a pretty solid pash rushing ranking despite the lack of sacks, namely because Cam Wake was getting all kinds of hurries and knockdowns, but just hadn't gotten to the quarterback. Again, the pass rush rating takes into account more than just sacks.

And I would agree on Long, but then we're in a position where we have to spend a top 1 or 2 pick on a LT. Kind of a lose-lose situation.
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Posted: 10/6/2012 6:02 AM

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Jschwald wrote: Our pass rush rating was definitely helped by the 8 sacks, but not as much as you might think. We had a pretty solid pash rushing ranking despite the lack of sacks, namely because Cam Wake was getting all kinds of hurries and knockdowns, but just hadn't gotten to the quarterback. Again, the pass rush rating takes into account more than just sacks.

And I would agree on Long, but then we're in a position where we have to spend a top 1 or 2 pick on a LT. Kind of a lose-lose situation.
Phins could also switch Martin back to LT next season, his position he played at Stanford.  Then they could draft a RT and prob wouldnt use one of their top 3 picks in the draft and could use say one of their 2 third round picks or a 4th round to draft a RT.
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Posted: 10/6/2012 11:37 AM

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Jake Long would be a tough loss, think they should see exactly what kind of money they can get him for, he is still by far the best lineman we got even if I believe he is not a natural left tackle. Dolphins need recievers, cornerbacks and they should be at the top of the list in the draft, If we add LT or RT to that equation it become difficult to get quality in all 3 spots.
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Posted: 10/6/2012 1:48 PM

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Allso not to bitch but Hartline has been the goto reciever and is leading the league and they have him ranked behind Bess, he's even going against a tougher cornerback so I really don't understand how there ranking work or if they really mean anything at all.....

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Posted: 10/6/2012 2:44 PM

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dougb123 wrote: Allso not to bitch but Hartline has been the goto reciever and is leading the league and they have him ranked behind Bess, he's even going against a tougher cornerback so I really don't understand how there ranking work or if they really mean anything at all.....
Simple mathematics.

Hartline has 13 more targets, but only 5 more receptions - he is catching 58.1% of passes thrown his way, versus the 66.7% of Bess. He has a negative blocking grade while Bess's is positive. He has committed a penalty, while Bess has not. Bess is averaging 5.1 YAC per reception, while Hartline is averaging 4.5. Bess has broken/avoided 6 tackles to Hartline's 0. And most importantly, of Tannehill's 6 INT's, 3 were intended for Hartline, 0 intended for Bess.

That is how he is ranked two spots lower, despite having more yardage and catches. If there's one thing I've learned in life, it's don't doubt the positional ratings of PFF.
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Posted: 10/6/2012 4:35 PM

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That's exactly right . Wake has been ranked #1 for 4-3 ends even before his break out game. Pff is for he all around position . That's why fasano is usually in the top 10.
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Posted: 10/6/2012 5:52 PM

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Cam Wake's grades right now are mind boggling - his overall grade is a 27.3.

JPP of the Giants is the 2nd rated 4-3 DE. His overall grade is a 13.3.

Wake's Pass Rush grade is a 24.0, Chris Long is the next closest 4-3 DE with a 15.5.

We may be lacking offensive playmakers, but Wake is at least one success for whom we can thank Ireland.
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