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Encouraging Loss

Posted: 9/30/2012 9:56 PM

Encouraging Loss 


Of course losing sucks but after 2 OT losses, there is a lot to be encouraged about.

Tannehill broke the DOLPHIN Rookie record for passing yardage in a game and he really is improving. 

Based on the talent level of this team, Philbin is getting maximum output!
Do you think Bess and Hartline's productivity is because of their physical gifts?

It's not his fault that Carpenter has hurt us or that Naanee celebrates his first catch of the season by fumbling.

Yeah, some calls and strategy could be different but the team is competing hard.

And what did Ireland contribute? Tannehill was a Sherman guy. Even Jorvorskie Lane was a Sherman guy, Martin was a critical need and anything over Colombo would be an upgrade

Vernon, Egnew, Miller, etc, : nothing special.
Except for the Texans (still unbeaten) , the coaching has kept us close.

Get Ireland out of here next year and we could be headed in the right direction.
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Posted: 9/30/2012 11:15 PM

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Agreed.  I'm scared of what Ireland is gonna do with 5 draft picks in the top 3 rounds.  We can't waste those picks and our future on a guy who outside of the 1st round struggles picking players.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 2:12 AM

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There is a ton to be happy about guys..

First off this game was HUGE for tannenhill, I know it might look bad because of those 2 interceptions and the fumble but the first interception wasn't his fault, the WR just slipped noidea

The 2nd interception really hurt they brought the house blitz. It was actually a good call, Tannehill had hartline wide open if he wasn't hit right that second it was a touchdown because the safety cheated up on fasano and hartline was well ahead of the Arizona CB . It was literally a play that could have ended the game eitherway and we ended up with the short side of the stick.

Now for the bad, BONEHEADED NANEE! I got banned by omar kelly's twitter feed because i blasted him for his Nanee lovefest the guy seriously talks about him like he is a very good reciever and one of the best techniquewise we have.. THAT IS PURE BULLpoo.gif. The dude is garbage and he isn't even a good BLOCKER. On the 21 yard rush rush reggie could have broke it all the way if Nanee didn't let go of Peterson for no damn reason and finished his block. Luckily it was covered up by Tanne's 80 yard strike to hartline a few plays later.

The fumble i do blame on Tannehill, He was lazy in identifying the mike  and his snap count was terrible.. Easily correctable over time a rookie mistake that i am sure he won't make again since it cost us the game.

The offensive line really handled themselves well and in my opinion this is the best group we have had in miami in a long while John Jerry has really stepped it up and this unit will only get better. Arizona's defense is damn scary right now and we kept tannehill clean, There was too much pressure to run effectively which is why tanne passed and really torched them for most of the day.

Our defense played pretty damn well, we had fluke turnovers that set them up badly but our pass rush was there and aside from Richard marshall and Carroll's sub par play everyone on defense played pretty well especially Sean Smith who has way better hands then Nanee.

Overall we played  better then the cardinal's if we didn't have the fluke turnovers we would have blown them the hell out of the water. This give's me alot of hope for the future..
I hope defense's keep loading up on the blitz against tannehill because he showed today he is a tough smart SOB who will make you pay for blitzing.

I really like what i am seeing from RT at QB and every week im starting to feel like this guy is special and i am going to be eating crow for doubting him pretty soon.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 3:59 AM

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It's so cliche and annoying for Dolphin fans to tolerate the growing pains of a rookie QB because we've been crappy for so long, but if Tannehill continues to improve ...we could go 3 -13 and you'd have to be excited.

Hartline 12 for 253 ... are you kidding me? 

Philbin flying into a rage a couple of times on the sidelines ... nice.

Definitely agree about Ireland. He absolutely has to go. Just way, way way too many misses.

Find a few guys that can cover. Another guy that can rush. A vertical deep threat. A TE with some speed. There's our first 5 picks.

This coaching staff deserves better than Ireland.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:16 AM

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FreeWanny wrote: It's so cliche and annoying for Dolphin fans to tolerate the growing pains of a rookie QB because we've been crappy for so long, but if Tannehill continues to improve ...we could go 3 -13 and you'd have to be excited.

Hartline 12 for 253 ... are you kidding me? 

Philbin flying into a rage a couple of times on the sidelines ... nice.

Definitely agree about Ireland. He absolutely has to go. Just way, way way too many misses.

Find a few guys that can cover. Another guy that can rush. A vertical deep threat. A TE with some speed. There's our first 5 picks.

This coaching staff deserves better than Ireland.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:24 AM

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I don't really support Ireland anymore, he just hasn't delivered the playmakers needed to win in todays NFL and that is the spot our team is sorely missing.

I do, however, take offense to the idea that he hasn't done anything right. He is responsible for the fact that we have probably the best run D in the league right now, and the fact that we have one of the better O-lines.

More importantly, I think it's admirable the way he sticks to his guns and doesn't panic. Two drafts ago, everybody was clamoring that we had to take Ingram, or we had to take Mallett. Well we didn't, we took Pouncey, and he's a top 5 Center in his second year in the league. Ingram looks very mediocre in NO, and I think Tannehill will be far better than Mallett ever will. We are in desperate need of receiving help, yet he still wouldn't overpay for Laurent Robinson or Manningham or any receiver available who he believed he wasn't getting good value on (though I still think Manningham would make a big difference here). 

When given the opportunity to trade Vontae for a 2nd, even though it definitely depleted our secondary this year, Ireland made the move he believed was best for the future of the team - despite the fact that he knows very well that a bad season means he won't be a part of that future. Same goes for Tannehill, Ireland knows he is on the hot seat but he was willing to take an inexperienced QB because he thought it was best for the future of the franchise.

As for his most recent draft: Tannehill looks for real, Martin has already come a long way and has been a solid starter, Vernon has been contributing and is only getting better, Egnew is definitely looking like a bust (but then again, Mizzou TE's can't ever block, so maybe he'll learn. But maybe not. I'll call him a bust for now), Miller looks really good when he has the ball in his hands, Kaddu and Cunningham weren't hits, Randall played well but is buried on our depth chart, and Matthews has flashed some potential. He also is responsible for Samuda, Shelby, and Thigpen, all of whom have contributed and showed potential as undrafted rookies (obviously, J-Train lane is a Sherman guy, not an Ireland find). Even so, that's a better percentage of rookie success than just about any other year I can remember in the past decade.

Of our 5 picks in the 1st 3 rounds next year, we desperately need (in this order IMO)

1) A starting CB
2) A big, big-time receiver
3) Another big-time receiver (because Ireland will inevitably miss on one of them)
4) A safety to play opposite Reshad Jones
5) Another CB or DT, depending on whether we are able to resign S. Smith or R. Starks

If he (or whoever our GM is) is 3-5 on those first 5 picks (and he was 4-5 this year IMO), we are actually a young, talented, threatening team.

Again, I'm not saying I want Ireland to stick - I don't think he can deliver the playmakers we need. But we do have a pretty solid foundation, and I think he deserves some credit for that.

Well, bring on the hate . . . 

Somebody gave me a Hickey.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:45 AM

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Also, Wanny, I take severe exception with the idea that Hartline and Bess are producing because of the magic of the coaching staff and not because of their own physical gifts. You think game planning and coaching was the sole reason Hartline went for 250+ and Bess had over 100?

Hartline has now had 2 100+ yard games, and one of them went for a franchise record 253. He is leading the league in receiving. Philbin coached in GB, how many GB receivers put up 253 yards in a single game during his tenure there? And Bess averaged 667 yards over his four seasons before Philbin got here, and we were one of if not the worst passing team in the league during those 4 years.

We have two quality receivers on this team. Naanee is a joke (I admit it), Armstrong can't catch, and Marlon Moore wouldn't be listed as a WR if ST Gunner was a legitimate spot on a depth chart.

But your comment is pretty disrespectful to the 2 good wide receivers we have on our team, because they are the one's making plays - Philbin did not beat any Cornerbacks out there, he didn't toe tap, he didn't run a crisp slant route. Hartline and Bess are both physically talented, they just aren't enough.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:25 AM

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FreeWanny wrote: Of course losing sucks but after 2 OT losses, there is a lot to be encouraged about.

Tannehill broke the DOLPHIN Rookie record for passing yardage in a game and he really is improving. 

Based on the talent level of this team, Philbin is getting maximum output!
Do you think Bess and Hartline's productivity is because of their physical gifts?

It's not his fault that Carpenter has hurt us or that Naanee celebrates his first catch of the season by fumbling.

Yeah, some calls and strategy could be different but the team is competing hard.

And what did Ireland contribute? Tannehill was a Sherman guy. Even Jorvorskie Lane was a Sherman guy, Martin was a critical need and anything over Colombo would be an upgrade

Vernon, Egnew, Miller, etc, : nothing special.
Except for the Texans (still unbeaten) , the coaching has kept us close.

Get Ireland out of here next year and we could be headed in the right direction.
Nice post
I think the most encouraging thing is Miami can finally build around a QB (not other way around) and a head coach. Let Philbon and Tannehill progress together and Miami could be contending sooner rather then later.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 11:57 AM

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Jschwald wrote: Also, Wanny, I take severe exception with the idea that Hartline and Bess are producing because of the magic of the coaching staff and not because of their own physical gifts. You think game planning and coaching was the sole reason Hartline went for 250+ and Bess had over 100?

Hartline has now had 2 100+ yard games, and one of them went for a franchise record 253. He is leading the league in receiving. Philbin coached in GB, how many GB receivers put up 253 yards in a single game during his tenure there? And Bess averaged 667 yards over his four seasons before Philbin got here, and we were one of if not the worst passing team in the league during those 4 years.

We have two quality receivers on this team. Naanee is a joke (I admit it), Armstrong can't catch, and Marlon Moore wouldn't be listed as a WR if ST Gunner was a legitimate spot on a depth chart.

But your comment is pretty disrespectful to the 2 good wide receivers we have on our team, because they are the one's making plays - Philbin did not beat any Cornerbacks out there, he didn't toe tap, he didn't run a crisp slant route. Hartline and Bess are both physically talented, they just aren't enough.
Nice Post about Bess and Hartline, they did make alot of things happen yesterday. Alot of great catches in traffic or timing routes.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 2:31 PM

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Don't take severe exception... not necessary. I love what these guys have accomplished.
Prior to Philbin's arrival Bess was a sure handed possession receiver but that was it.
Hartline was what? a 3rd receiver? 
I'm not knocking these guys but neither are physically gifted in terms of size or speed compared to prototype NFL receivers.

They are smart, crafty "move the chains" type guys and now they are much more.
With  Philbin here, he has unleashed the beast and turned them into a formidable duo.

Let's keep it going. I'm still seeing Hartline running down the sideline and scoring.


Yessssssss!
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Posted: 10/1/2012 2:46 PM

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FreeWanny wrote: Don't take severe exception... not necessary. I love what these guys have accomplished.
Prior to Philbin's arrival Bess was a sure handed possession receiver but that was it.
Hartline was what? a 3rd receiver? 
I'm not knocking these guys but neither are physically gifted in terms of size or speed compared to prototype NFL receivers.

They are smart, crafty "move the chains" type guys and now they are much more.
With  Philbin here, he has unleashed the beast and turned them into a formidable duo.

Let's keep it going. I'm still seeing Hartline running down the sideline and scoring.


Yessssssss!
I do believe Philbin does play a part in the higher level of play in these guys, ie Welker when he went to a better coached team(Yes I know he has Brady throwing to him but any qb can be good on 5 to 12 yd dumps).
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Posted: 10/1/2012 3:03 PM

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its good to see these players stepping up under philbin and his coaching staff!

= Hartline, Smith, ReShad Jones, Koa Misi, Jared Odrick, Mike Pouncey, John Jerry

also it looks like we have a legit top quarterback

to do what tannehill is doing with only 2 wr`s ,and 1 real tight end is impressive !
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