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New draft winds article up - Ryan Tannehill

Posted: 4/12/2012 4:28 PM

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Posted: 4/13/2012 9:26 AM

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Anyone else here what Brian Billick had to say about Tannehill on M&M yesterday morning?  Basically he compares Tannehill's sudden rise in stock to Jemarcus Russell's when he was drafted number one overall.  He wasnt comparing their abilities to one another, but just that Oaklands need for a QB is what made J Russell's stock sore up to number one overall, and Billick believes that CLE and MIA's need for a QB is what is making Tannehill's stock climb so high.  He then said need is a terrible evaluator when assessing who to draft.  I agree with this statement, but at some point you have to stick to your gut and take a chance on a guy if it feels right to you.  Tannehill for me... Doesnt feel right, don't know why, it just doesnt.  I'd rather have an Osewiller/Weeden/Cousins/Foles in the 2nd round.  Maybe take the reciever from Notre Dame or just the safe top 10 talent that we actually need in Coples with our 1st, or trade down. 

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Posted: 4/13/2012 10:46 AM

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I think the biggest mistake the Dolphins have made in a while is holding that press conference last year and stating that they needed a new QB and would get one. I quess no one thought Barkley, Jones and a few others would stay for there senior season. We missed out on what I believe were the only 2 QB's left worth going after this year which were Luck and Manning, I later came to think RG3 was not a good fit for the west coast offense, even Manning came with buyers beware don't crack the glass on the west coast offense just yet, but he could sell out the stadium so it was worth it. I wouldn't spend any of my 1st 4 picks which I'm hoping they turn into 5 trading down in the 1st to get another 2nd on a QB and might not look at one at all this year. Dolphins need starters DE,WR,OT I would say there's no taking BPA but with #8 being such a high pick should be allowed some leeway to find a Pro bowl caliber player, other than that its pick by need for the Dolphins....If Philbin, Sherman thought Tannehill was the guy and took him at #8 knowing we would develope him a couple years brfore he took the field I'm not going to be dissapointed, if they pass him over I'm not dissapointed either...If they pass him over and don't get a really good player then I'll be dissaponited...
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Posted: 4/13/2012 10:57 AM

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DAN61361 wrote:

I'd rather have an Osewiller/Weeden/Cousins/Foles in the 2nd round.  Maybe take the reciever from Notre Dame or just the safe top 10 talent that we actually need in Coples with our 1st, or trade down. 

What is the difference between those QB's in the 2nd or Tannehill in the 1st?
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Posted: 4/13/2012 11:47 PM

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dstock21 wrote: I think the reason Tannehill is rising up draft boards is because he played in an NFL offense already, more importantly the offense that the 2 teams who are thought to be targeting him will be running. I think thats what puts him ahead of Weeden and Osweiler. His height and mobility put him ahead of Cousins (I think he is the short one). After watching his pro day.....combined with his inability to beat top teams and perform in clutch spots I hope he isn't a phin. With that said, if we do draft him I won't bitch and I will be excited to see if he can turn out to be our future. I personally don't like QBs who didn't play in a pro stlye offense, Osweiler and Weeden are guys who basically have to be taught to play QB in a completely different way and also adjust to the speed of the NFL once they learn. Its the one thing I didn't like about RG3. Not everyone is Cam Newton.
I like this post, d, & thought it belonged here.
I really think Cleveland is gonna solve this FOR us, BUT - when the game is on the line & Tannehill is forced to make a big throw ~~~> he throws into coverage.
Now, maybe this Rex Grossman characteristic can be coached outta him if he can sit for a year, but the kid is smart & maybe he WILL get it.....and if he fell into our laps @ #8 that's 1 thing.
The Tannehill hype machine is also in friggin' OVERDRIVE right now, too......
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Posted: 4/14/2012 8:02 AM

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I am honored Mrs.M, you can put my post anywhere you want...eww...that didn't come out right.
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Posted: 4/14/2012 11:03 AM

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Posted: 4/15/2012 1:30 PM

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I'm just not comfortable with taking a qb with only 19 starts under his belt. He is definitely hyped up and should never be drafted in round one let alone a top ten pick. If philbin is true to his word we will be drafting the best player available rather then reach for a need.i have a feeling Blackmon will be available when we pick and boy would that be just what we need.i think Matt Moore is solid and with a full year under his belt can definitely lead us to the post season. The worst thing we could do is reach for this kid and waste a top ten pick on him. Let Cleveland or k.c have him then next year we can grab Barkley, jones,or Wilson if Moore doesn't progress. Out of the top 15 qbs in the league are inexperienced at the college level. Almost all are between 3 and 4 yr starters.Are we really as far off as people think. Of the 10 losses we lost 7 games by 10 points or less. We lost 5 games by 3 points or less. Two off those losses by 3 points were to n.e and the giants on the road. To me that's a coaching issue. I believe we make a turnaround this year with this new staff and moore

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Posted: 4/15/2012 3:09 PM

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Last season i wanted us to trade our 1st rounder for picks this season. If we had did it, we might have been able to move up for Luck or RG3.

I admit, i'd like us to do the same thing this season if we want our pick of QB next season.

But we will not do it.

I have a bad feeling that we will take Tannehll at #8, then play him by week 4 and destroy him.

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Posted: 4/15/2012 3:35 PM

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http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nfl/Y_Sports_ NFL/28937752#nfl/Y_Sports_NFL/28937752

They are saying here that he is why we added Mike Sherman and that Cleveland etc could use our "lust" for Tannehill to make us trade up for him.

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Posted: 4/15/2012 8:38 PM

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We added Sherman because he was the best OC available and he and Philbin are friends. That article or video is stupid.
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Posted: 4/15/2012 9:26 PM

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dstock21 wrote: We added Sherman because he was the best OC available and he and Philbin are friends. That article or video is stupid.
I agree 100%

The links ideas get freaking nuts this time of year.

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Posted: 4/16/2012 6:36 AM

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TourDeForce wrote:
DAN61361 wrote:

I'd rather have an Osewiller/Weeden/Cousins/Foles in the 2nd round.  Maybe take the reciever from Notre Dame or just the safe top 10 talent that we actually need in Coples with our 1st, or trade down. 

What is the difference between those QB's in the 2nd or Tannehill in the 1st?

I just don't like Tannehill at number 8.  He has only jumped into the top 10 because of CLE and our need for a QB.  I don't like the fact that he doesnt have many starts under his belt, he can't finish games, and for me, the fact that he played another position is a red flag...  It just doesnt sound right to me.
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Posted: 4/16/2012 11:40 AM

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I could deal with the lack of starts, if he was a much later pick.

But I'd NEVER draft a QB with small hands.

And I do not like the way he throws the ball in a flat arc much like Chad Henne.

IMO, one thing that Matt Moore can do is drop the ball down over a defender to a WR etc. I saw him throw 2 such passes to R Bush last season that Chad Henne could not do in 100 tries.

Take a 55 gallon barrel and set it up 40 yard downfield. Henne could hit the barrel with enough tries but Moore could put the ball IN the barrel. If you puit a wall up, Henne would now have a bigger problem hitting the barrel.

There is a QB training tool that they used a few years ago at the Senior Bowl that Pat White simply could not do. They put a adjustable 8 to 10 foot screen up and ask you to drop the ball over it.

Tannehill has the same size hands as little Patty White. The NFL football is so much bigger then the college one. In a perfect situation with balls already worn in I'm sure that any QB could have a great Pro Day throwing against air.

John Beck had small hands and we saw what happened, the ball would just fall out of them when he tried to pass. The way a player adjusts is by putting his hand further back on the ball which messes with accuracy, the way the ball leaves his hand etc etc.

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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:46 PM

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LikeUntoGod wrote: I could deal with the lack of starts, if he was a much later pick.

But I'd NEVER draft a QB with small hands.

And I do not like the way he throws the ball in a flat arc much like Chad Henne.

IMO, one thing that Matt Moore can do is drop the ball down over a defender to a WR etc. I saw him throw 2 such passes to R Bush last season that Chad Henne could not do in 100 tries.

Take a 55 gallon barrel and set it up 40 yard downfield. Henne could hit the barrel with enough tries but Moore could put the ball IN the barrel. If you puit a wall up, Henne would now have a bigger problem hitting the barrel.

There is a QB training tool that they used a few years ago at the Senior Bowl that Pat White simply could not do. They put a adjustable 8 to 10 foot screen up and ask you to drop the ball over it.

Tannehill has the same size hands as little Patty White. The NFL football is so much bigger then the college one. In a perfect situation with balls already worn in I'm sure that any QB could have a great Pro Day throwing against air.

John Beck had small hands and we saw what happened, the ball would just fall out of them when he tried to pass. The way a player adjusts is by putting his hand further back on the ball which messes with accuracy, the way the ball leaves his hand etc etc.
biggrin I thought it was just me that was troubled by Tannehill's little mitts.  If I'm not mistaken, Russell Wilson had either the largest or 2nd largest hands at the combine,
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Posted: 4/16/2012 12:50 PM

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i know i'm just a newbie here but i will throw this out there... the previous poster throwing out chad henne's name is absolutely correct IMO.  ryan tannehill = chad henne in the end... if you're lucky.

i'm a nebraska fan who's been a dolphins fan since forever (don't ask how that one happened).  we played against a&m two years ago and i watched some of his games this year.  he's just flat out not a #1 pick in my opinion.  this is a very, very bad pick that we'll regret in a few months much less years.

in the late 2nd or 3rd?  ok.  high first?  heck no.

wait til next year and trade up to get the one of the kids from USC or georgia.  tannehill isn't even going to be a bust, just flat out a dumb mistake if we take him that high.

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Posted: 4/16/2012 10:01 PM

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Thanks, Brian ~ Welcome to Miami!
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Posted: 4/16/2012 10:19 PM

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I'm no longer interested in any of these project QB's it's a waste of time and a waist of a draft pick. The best of the projects looks like Brandon Weeden and he didn't even play in a pro style system, arm strength, accuracy throwing this pass or that pass doesn't mean all that much, can you command your huddle and go down the field and score more times than you don't and can you play under pressure and come from behind and win games when you need to, those are the only intangibles that matter. Everyone talks about how strong this QB class is well Andrew Luck is the only guy from this class that seemed worth 1st round pick and could play at elite level at some point in the future. Odds that Ryan Tannehill could even after 2 years sitting behind Moore or Garrard are slim.
There are 3 QB’s coming out next year that are looking better than Tannehill this year
This seem like a valid talent report on Tannehill
Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M: 6-4, 221. Played under coaches Mike Sherman and Tom Rossley, starting 25 of 49 games after being redshirted as a freshman. "He's got some flashes of brilliance," said one scout. "His arm is average. He made stupid decisions in critical situations that hurt him." Aggies blew leads in all six defeats this season and then the coaches were fired. "He killed himself with all those late-game collapses," another scout said. "A lot of it wasn't his fault, but you want him to win those games to cement himself. But he's got ability."
He made stupid decisions in critical situations - thats not what I want in the scouting report for my new QB.
Blew leads in all six defeats this season and then the coaches were fired - if Sherman wants him then he is suffering from the same delusions Sparano had for Henne, just 1 more year I need just 1 more year
He not a 2 year starter, he a 4 year starter who couldn't earn the starting job his 1st 2 years and redshirted so that’s 5 years at Texas A&M. Nothing this guy has done tells me he's a top ten pick, Mike Mayock ability to project him in the top 10 is a fantasy, just know if you buy him at 8 his real value is somewhere from 25 to early 2nd round pick. 8 pick is worth 1400 25 pick is worth 720 your losing half your value for your 1st round pick that is what loser teams do and the definition of reaching….
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Posted: 4/16/2012 10:44 PM

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dougb123 wrote: I"He's got some flashes of brilliance," said one scout. "His arm is average. He made stupid decisions in critical situations that hurt him." Aggies blew leads in all six defeats this season and then the coaches were fired. "He killed himself with all those late-game collapses," another scout said. "A lot of it wasn't his fault, but you want him to win those games to cement himself. But he's got ability."

He made stupid decisions in critical situations - thats not what I want in the scouting report for my new QB.


Blew leads in all six defeats this season and then the coaches were fired
- if Sherman wants him then he is suffering from the same delusions Sparano had for Henne, just 1 more year I need just 1 more year

He not a 2 year starter, he a 4 year starter who couldn't earn the starting job his 1st 2 years and redshirted so that’s 5 years at Texas A&M. Nothing this guy has done tells me he's a top ten pick,
I like that "logic" thing you have working here.

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Posted: 4/16/2012 11:21 PM

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Then I find this from a highly respected draft site from our buddies up north - a New England Patriots draft site

8. Miami Dolphins
Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

It seems like the writing is on the wall with this selection. Tannehill’s college coach, Mike Sherman is now the Dolphins offensive coordinator and the Dolphins have desperately failed to address the long term QB solution. Tannehill is a very good QB prospect, but just needs some time to learn the system and polish his game. If given two seasons to develop he could end up being the steal of the draft.

I just don't feel it but some do and if you can get him and not give up future draft picks - doesn't this call into question Sherman's ability to evaluate talent at QB wouldn't it of been better to have him start and develope into the QB he going to be his junior and senior seasons????maybe he still would be a head coach then..
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