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Pre/post game thoughts- Dolphins-Jets Nov.1, 2009
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Posted: 10/29/2009 10:29 AM
Pre/post game thoughts- Dolphins-Jets Nov.1, 2009
Jets, Dolphins meet for second time in three weeks In Brief Last meeting:
Ronnie Brown scored on a 2-yard run with 6 seconds left to give the Dolphins a dramatic 31-27 victory over the Jets in Week 5. Streaks:
The Jets have won eight of the last 11 meetings and hold a 46-40-1 overall series edge, including the playoffs. Last week:
New York snapped a three-game losing skid with a 38-0 shellacking of Oakland. ... Miami squandered a 21-point first-half lead and lost to New Orleans, 46-34. Keep your eye on ...  Rex Ryan was left frustrated in his first matchup vs. the Dolphins.
(Lynne Sladky / Associated Press) Rex Ryan's adjustment to the Wildcat: The Jets' new coach prides himself on his defensive schemes, but the Dolphins' Wildcat formation completely flummoxed New York's defense in Week 5. Ryan will no doubt have some fresh ideas in place to stop the Dolphins' unique attack, but whether they will work remains to be seen.
Shonn Greene stepping on the big stage: With RB Leon Washington out for the season, New York will now be relying heavily on the rookie Greene to help Thomas Jones carry the rushing load. He responded last week with 144 yards on the ground and two touchdowns, but this is the first time he will face a defense that game plans for him.
The Dolphins' desperation: Miami has played very well at times this season, but a brutal schedule has left it with a 2-4 record and a firm hold on last place in the AFC East. If the Dolphins are to defend their AFC East title, they must get on a roll soon -- starting with this Sunday's game against the Jets. Did you know? This game features the league's top two rushing teams. ... The Dolphins have won six of their past seven against AFC East opponents. ... The Jets are 4-1 when Mark Sanchez has a touchdown pass. http://www.nfl.com/
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Posted: 10/29/2009 11:00 AM
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There isn't a team I hate more than the Jets. Somehow the Jets feel like they're being disrespected...dude, wake the freak up. Do you see this writeup? It's all about the freakin Jets. Rex Ryan, the great defensive mind, will make adjustments...as if Miami won't need to make adjustments as well. Shonn Green steps in for Leon Washington...like Miami hasn't had any critical injuries to our players. Mark Sun-chez is 4-1 when he throws a TD...gee I wonder who the loss was to? Could it be the Dolphins!!! I hope we beat the crap out of the Jabba the Hut reject. |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 11:02 AM
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The weather is supposed to be partly cloudy, around 60 with an 8 mph wind. I was hoping it would be worse because I don't think Sanchez will play well in miserable conditions in Giants stadium, particularly windy conditions. If the conditions were bad, I think running the ball would be a priority and give the Dolphins the edge.
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Posted: 10/29/2009 11:06 AM
RE: Pre/post game thoughts- Dolphins-Jets Nov.1, 2009
no need to get cute...they're missing kris jenkins...line up in the base and run the ball right at them.
make it a manhood game.
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Posted: 10/29/2009 11:08 AM
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our D needs to take away the run and make Cream Sancheeze try and beat us. If we can put the game in his hands we have a good shot at beating them. I don't care for the jets that much either, but my ultimate hatred is and will always be focused towards the Patriots. |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 11:16 AM
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carp8dm wrote:our D needs to take away the run and make Cream Sancheeze try and beat us. If we can put the game in his hands we have a good shot at beating them. I don't care for the jets that much either, but my ultimate hatred is and will always be focused towards the Patriots. See the Patriots are a more recent hatred. We used to own them in the 70's and 80's (except for that game in 1986 where we got robbed.  ). At one point we had beaten them 15 times in a row in the late 80's early 90's until Parcells got there. The Jets have always been on the hated list. |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 11:19 AM
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you guys are gonna hate the pats more after they eat our secondary for lunch in a week...
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Posted: 10/29/2009 11:43 AM
Re: Pre/post game thoughts- Dolphins-Jets Nov.1, 2009
Datruth55 wrote: See the Patriots are a more recent hatred. We used to own them in the 70's and 80's (except for that game in 1986 where we got robbed. ). At one point we had beaten them 15 times in a row in the late 80's early 90's until Parcells got there. The Jets have always been on the hated list. I will never get over that game. And that is the reason I will always hate them. I was in 4th grade at a friends house watching the AFC champoinship that year. It's pissing me off just thinking about it! Jet's games have always been fun and exciting to watch, but they never kept us out of a superbowl, at least not in my memory. But the Bills of the 90's have, and same with those damn 86 patriots! I hold grudges for a very long time... LOL |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 12:29 PM
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carp8dm wrote: Datruth55 wrote: See the Patriots are a more recent hatred. We used to own them in the 70's and 80's (except for that game in 1986 where we got robbed. ). At one point we had beaten them 15 times in a row in the late 80's early 90's until Parcells got there. The Jets have always been on the hated list. I will never get over that game. And that is the reason I will always hate them. I was in 4th grade at a friends house watching the AFC champoinship that year. It's pissing me off just thinking about it! Jet's games have always been fun and exciting to watch, but they never kept us out of a superbowl, at least not in my memory. But the Bills of the 90's have, and same with those damn 86 patriots! I hold grudges for a very long time... LOL How were we robbed in the 1986 championship game. The pats ran all over our defense and Marino threw a couple of bad INT's and the fumble by the Fins RB (rest in peace) when he barely got touched was the final nail, when it looked we we had a chance to come back. 6 TO's in the game yu don't deserve to win
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Posted: 10/29/2009 1:17 PM
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kevmass wrote: carp8dm wrote: Datruth55 wrote: See the Patriots are a more recent hatred. We used to own them in the 70's and 80's (except for that game in 1986 where we got robbed. ). At one point we had beaten them 15 times in a row in the late 80's early 90's until Parcells got there. The Jets have always been on the hated list. I will never get over that game. And that is the reason I will always hate them. I was in 4th grade at a friends house watching the AFC champoinship that year. It's pissing me off just thinking about it! Jet's games have always been fun and exciting to watch, but they never kept us out of a superbowl, at least not in my memory. But the Bills of the 90's have, and same with those damn 86 patriots! I hold grudges for a very long time... LOL How were we robbed in the 1986 championship game. The pats ran all over our defense and Marino threw a couple of bad INT's and the fumble by the Fins RB (rest in peace) when he barely got touched was the final nail, when it looked we we had a chance to come back. 6 TO's in the game yu don't deserve to win Well if you think a guy with a sweeper should have been allowed to come across the field and clean off a spot for the kicker then I guess we didn't get robbed. On top of that we were division champs that year, tied for the best record in the conference, yet we were playing away. |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 1:28 PM
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Datruth55 wrote: kevmass wrote: carp8dm wrote: Datruth55 wrote: See the Patriots are a more recent hatred. We used to own them in the 70's and 80's (except for that game in 1986 where we got robbed. ). At one point we had beaten them 15 times in a row in the late 80's early 90's until Parcells got there. The Jets have always been on the hated list. I will never get over that game. And that is the reason I will always hate them. I was in 4th grade at a friends house watching the AFC champoinship that year. It's pissing me off just thinking about it! Jet's games have always been fun and exciting to watch, but they never kept us out of a superbowl, at least not in my memory. But the Bills of the 90's have, and same with those damn 86 patriots! I hold grudges for a very long time... LOL How were we robbed in the 1986 championship game. The pats ran all over our defense and Marino threw a couple of bad INT's and the fumble by the Fins RB (rest in peace) when he barely got touched was the final nail, when it looked we we had a chance to come back. 6 TO's in the game yu don't deserve to win Well if you think a guy with a sweeper should have been allowed to come across the field and clean off a spot for the kicker then I guess we didn't get robbed. On top of that we were division champs that year, tied for the best record in the conference, yet we were playing away. I don't think that was the 86 championship game, I think you're thinking of another Phins/Pats game. I know they all start to mutate into eachother as the years go by. LOL. The 86 AFC Championship game was the game where the Dolphins played totally uncharacteristic football and got beat pretty bad. To this day I still feel they completely overlooked that game and were already thinking about the rematch with the Chicago Bears, who had only 1 in their loss column, and we know who that was. Anyways, about the Jets game I think it's too darn soon to be playing them, again. And I think that goes against us and in their favor. Plus, the Phins come walking in after that Saints game. A type of game tends to take a lot of steam out of momentum. We shall see, I guess ——— 
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Posted: 10/29/2009 1:49 PM
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Marx8385 wrote: I don't think that was the 86 championship game, I think you're thinking of another Phins/Pats game. I know they all start to mutate into eachother as the years go by. LOL.
You're right. I did get my games mixed up.
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Posted: 10/29/2009 3:05 PM
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Datruth55 wrote: kevmass wrote: carp8dm wrote: Datruth55 wrote: See the Patriots are a more recent hatred. We used to own them in the 70's and 80's (except for that game in 1986 where we got robbed. ). At one point we had beaten them 15 times in a row in the late 80's early 90's until Parcells got there. The Jets have always been on the hated list. I will never get over that game. And that is the reason I will always hate them. I was in 4th grade at a friends house watching the AFC champoinship that year. It's pissing me off just thinking about it! Jet's games have always been fun and exciting to watch, but they never kept us out of a superbowl, at least not in my memory. But the Bills of the 90's have, and same with those damn 86 patriots! I hold grudges for a very long time... LOL How were we robbed in the 1986 championship game. The pats ran all over our defense and Marino threw a couple of bad INT's and the fumble by the Fins RB (rest in peace) when he barely got touched was the final nail, when it looked we we had a chance to come back. 6 TO's in the game yu don't deserve to win Well if you think a guy with a sweeper should have been allowed to come across the field and clean off a spot for the kicker then I guess we didn't get robbed. On top of that we were division champs that year, tied for the best record in the conference, yet we were playing away. 2 totally different games, the sweeper game was in NE (I believe the striek year 1982) in the snow and the Pats won by 3 points. The 86 game was in Miami and the fins played horrible, Refs had nothing to do with the outcome of the game. |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 4:34 PM
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Keep your eye on ... ......as if you could miss him if you tried  (sorry, couldn't resist  ) Bariatric surgery can be a lifesaver, Rex.  |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 4:37 PM
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Oh I never said we were robbed. We played like crap and lost. I just hate them for beating us that year. I don't really have any other rationale than that. I think we had another thread regarding this game a month back. Sorry for going off topic. kevmass wrote: How were we robbed in the 1986 championship game. The pats ran all over our defense and Marino threw a couple of bad INT's and the fumble by the Fins RB (rest in peace) when he barely got touched was the final nail, when it looked we we had a chance to come back. 6 TO's in the game yu don't deserve to win |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 4:41 PM
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Datruth55 wrote: carp8dm wrote:our D needs to take away the run and make Cream Sancheeze try and beat us. If we can put the game in his hands we have a good shot at beating them. I don't care for the jets that much either, but my ultimate hatred is and will always be focused towards the Patriots. See the Patriots are a more recent hatred. We used to own them in the 70's and 80's (except for that game in 1986 where we got robbed. ). At one point we had beaten them 15 times in a row in the late 80's early 90's until Parcells got there. The Jets have always been on the hated list. ahh Young Grasshopper you forget a Guy Nmaed Steve Grogan!! |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 6:00 PM
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This game is being shown live here and I'm well up for it. We need this game to get our season back on track. God I hope we really play some smash mouth football. We mustn't abandon the wildcat this time. We're getting control of games recently and then seem to throw them by bad play calling. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Its a shame I'm not there, I'm sure there's a jumbotron screen with my name on it.
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Posted: 10/29/2009 8:16 PM
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englishdude wrote: This game is being shown live here and I'm well up for it. We need this game to get our season back on track. God I hope we really play some smash mouth football. We mustn't abandon the wildcat this time. We're getting control of games recently and then seem to throw them by bad play calling. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Its a shame I'm not there, I'm sure there's a jumbotron screen with my name on it. Nail on the head. |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 2:04 AM
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# Dolphins ILB Channing Crowder was held out of practice for the second straight day. His status for Sunday's game vs. Jets is questionable about 10 hours ago from web
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Posted: 10/30/2009 5:02 AM
RE: Pre/post game thoughts- Dolphins-Jets Nov.1, 2009
On Sunday, the Dolphins will head to the Meadowlands looking to sweep the season series against the Jets for the first time since 2003. More importantly, though, the Dolphins will look to avoid falling to 2-5, which would seemingly all but ruin their postseason hopes in 2009.
For the Dolphins to exit Jersey with a win on Sunday, they will have to play much better than they did during last week's second half collapse. There are a lot of keys to this game. But the three below are, in my opinion, of the utmost importance.
Put last week behind them
This can't be easy for them. Hell, it hasn't been easy for us fans. It's always difficult to put a tough loss behind you and move on to the next game. When you take into account the caliber of opponent that the Dolphins almost knocked off last week and the way the game unfolded in the second half, I'm sure this week hasn't been the most enjoyable for both the players and coaches.
That's why I think it's a good thing that the Dolphins get to head to the Meadowlands and take on a hated division rival following that loss on Sunday. There's no better way to put a heart-breaking loss behind you than to knock off a hated rival. It would provide some healing for both the players and the fans.
That's also why I think that the Jets are doing the Dolphins a favor by continuing to open their enormous mouths and talk trash about the Dolphins over and over. Among other things, we've heard Darrelle Ravis say he thinks the Jets are the better team and Shaun Ellis complain about the Dolphins going overboard with their celebration of the game-winning touchdown. And let's not forget how dismissive the Jets were moments after getting beaten by the Dolphins back in week 5, with Calvin Pace and Bart Scott showing disrespect to the Wildcat and calling Chad Henne a "second-year clown quarterback."
Yup - all that talking the Jets are doing is only helping Miami get over their tough loss last week and focus on the job at hand on Sunday.
But even so, make no mistake about it. Sunday's game will test this team's mental toughness. It would be easy for a team to roll over on the road following that tough loss last weekend. We're going to learn a lot about how this team and this coaching staff handle adversity. Let's hope they show the kind of fortitude that I think this team does indeed possess.
Star-divide
Take early lead
There are a number of reasons why this is important. Some of them include gaining confidence following a disheartening loss and not allowing a sense of doubt to creep into their heads early on. You don't want a potential "quick sand" situation to occur on the road in a hostile environment. By "quick sand situation," I'm referring to what happens when one thing goes wrong, and then another, and then another. And the harder you try to battle back, the deeper you get sucked in. If you've seen the movie The Replacements, you know what I'm talking about.
But more importantly, this will be the first time Chad Henne is starting on the road in the NFL. Yes, he's played in some hostile environments before - like in Columbus, Ohio against Ohio St., for example - which was obviously great experience. But it's different on this level. The Dolphins have got to take the crowd out of the game early on. It'll only make things easier on Henne.
The Dolphins also can't afford to have to play catch-up against the Jets. This would allow the Jets to pin their ears back and get after Henne. That defense felt embarrassed by their performance rushing the passer last time and I'm sure we'll see new wrinkles and a more tenacious pass rush on Sunday. If the Dolphins fall behind early, they are going to be putting themselves in a very tough situation in a hostile stadium that will be rocking.
Stop the run and stop it early
Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that the Dolphins were ranked in the top two for stopping the run? It was. And while the Dolphins are still ranked pretty high - 4th in the NFL against the run, allowing just 87 yards per game on the ground and just 3.7 ypc - they haven't been nearly as dominant defending the run in their past two games.
It all started against the Jets, too, giving up 138 yards rushing to the Jets during that Monday night classic. Then last week the Dolphins let Pierre Thomas, Mike Bell and company gain 138 yards on the ground, averaging over 5 yards per carry.
Meanwhile, the Jets have been very committed to the run recently and have put up back to back 300 yard rushing performance - passing the Dolphins last week as the top rushing team in the NFL. While it's definitely true that the Jets have put up these two huge weeks against two of the worst rushing defenses in the league, 634 yards rushing in two weeks is impressive no matter how you slice it.
The Jets have also seemed to re-commit themselves to the run last week. Two weeks ago against Buffalo, Mark Sanchez was intercepted five times over 29 pass attempts as the Jets lost at home to the Bills. But last week, the Jets showed a commitment to the run and took the pressure off their rookie quarterback. Sanchez only attempted 15 passes en route to a 38-0 win in Oakland.
On Sunday, I expect more of the same from the Jets. They will look to take pressure off of Sanchez and look to the ground for their offense. The Dolphins need to shut down their rushing attack early on and force Rex Ryan and NY's coaching staff to abandon the run in favor of the passing attack. Yes, the Dolphins are starting two rookie corners. But I'll take my chances with them considering Sanchez is a mistake-prone rookie as well.
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