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More Good Than Bad

Posted: 8/17/2014 8:44 AM

More Good Than Bad 


Good:

Tannehill and Moore are very comfortable in this passing offense and it shows.
Lots of depth and choices at the receiver position.
Potter may have won the kicker position.
Coverage and pass rush much improved from last week.
Philbin looks lively ... for Philbin.( an important intangible)

Bad:

Can't run and can't stop the run.
Delmas and Wilson = very scary Safety tandem. They both like to hit but don't like to tackle and not sure if either can cover. 2nd week in a row Wilson was bailed out for a terrible effort.
Linebackers are still a tackling horror show and no discernible difference between the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd stringers.
I know Omar Kelly can't stop gushing about Damien Williams but let's get serious: Falcons game: 6 carries 2 yards,Buccaneers game: 11 carries 20 yards.
If I was related to Williams I'd be thrilled for him, but I'm not. He has to average more than 1 yard a carry for me to get on the bandwagon.
Speaking of run game problems, as good as our passing game was, Lazor needs to "tweak" the running formations because they're way too easy to diagnose.
These simple run play handoffs from the shotgun are completely visible to the defense and guys are getting killed behind the line. And remember,we have an OLine without any discernible run blockers to start with.
I'm sure he'll clean it up.

Can only hope that Moreno can make a difference.

Rookie watch: with the exception of Arthur Lynch (is he still on the roster?) and Matt Hazel, (buried on the depth chart) everyone else is contributing and looking solid.

Last edited 8/17/2014 8:48 AM by FreeWanny

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Posted: 8/17/2014 9:30 AM

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How long has it been since we saw a RB bust thru the GUT & consistently gain yards
Frustrating watching a RB get blown up in the backfield, so is it:

Scheme, personnel(the backs we have had in the last year) or OLINE

The answer, all of them IMO, Our hope is that Lazr cleans up the scheme, Pouncey has a quick return & Moreno can run with some vigor
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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:15 AM

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FreeWanny wrote: Good:

Tannehill and Moore are very comfortable in this passing offense and it shows.
Lots of depth and choices at the receiver position.
Potter may have won the kicker position.
Coverage and pass rush much improved from last week.
Philbin looks lively ... for Philbin.( an important intangible)

Bad:

Can't run and can't stop the run.
Delmas and Wilson = very scary Safety tandem. They both like to hit but don't like to tackle and not sure if either can cover. 2nd week in a row Wilson was bailed out for a terrible effort.
Linebackers are still a tackling horror show and no discernible difference between the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd stringers.
I know Omar Kelly can't stop gushing about Damien Williams but let's get serious: Falcons game: 6 carries 2 yards,Buccaneers game: 11 carries 20 yards.
If I was related to Williams I'd be thrilled for him, but I'm not. He has to average more than 1 yard a carry for me to get on the bandwagon.
Speaking of run game problems, as good as our passing game was, Lazor needs to "tweak" the running formations because they're way too easy to diagnose.
These simple run play handoffs from the shotgun are completely visible to the defense and guys are getting killed behind the line. And remember,we have an OLine without any discernible run blockers to start with.
I'm sure he'll clean it up.

Can only hope that Moreno can make a difference.

Rookie watch: with the exception of Arthur Lynch (is he still on the roster?) and Matt Hazel, (buried on the depth chart) everyone else is contributing and looking solid.
Red Zone Jimmy should be red-ass Jimmy after that embarrassing effort. Agreed on shotgun handoffs. They are as bad as Dan`s gimpy shotgun handoffs. We used to telegraph the hell out of a running play. I dont think we are telegraphing, just the zone blocking isnt good (it improved when Turner came in for Thomas), and the runners dont hit the line hard.

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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:29 AM

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I hate that run play but we run a lot of play action off it so we need to run it, just not exclusively. Haven't seen too many handoffs out of the traditional run formations hopefully that is something they are hiding.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:36 AM

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Can't stop the run because the linebacker play is brutal.  Can't run because OLINE is brutal at run blocking.  Safety position....ehhh...thought it would be stronger.  But this is team that management has built after all these years of rebuilding and as Philbin says this is the most talent he has had since arriving which is probably true and scary.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:42 AM

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I am also hoping we are hiding some well timed bubble screens or passes in the flats to RB`s.
dstock21 wrote: I hate that run play but we run a lot of play action off it so we need to run it, just not exclusively. Haven't seen too many handoffs out of the traditional run formations hopefully that is something they are hiding.

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Posted: 8/17/2014 11:27 AM

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I'm hopeful that Wilson & Delmas can improve their chemistry, though the missed tackles are very disconcerting, especially since it's not like our lb'ers tackle much either.

The biggest issue on this team outside of tackling, imo, is the inability to run the ball. I'd like to see Billy Turner get reps with the starters. Even if he's not a polished pass blocker, he'll hopefully improve with experience, and he's really the only lineman who gets good push in the run game.

I agree Damien Williams play has been overblown, though it looks like he's making the team as our 3rd rb. Given our inability to run in short yardage situations, though, seeing him score a 1 yd touchdown was encouraging. No matter who is in our backfield it won't matter unless we open holes up front.

I do think the team is trending upwards right now, but unless we can run & stop the run we're not going anywhere.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 12:20 PM

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You have to believe that Hickey is simply giving the coaching staff the type of personnel  they want based on the schemes they want to run.

We did not draft a pure guard or running back.
So now we wait to see if Billy Turner can go from LOT in college to ROG in the Pros.
That takes time coming from a small college.
And maybe Gerald McCoy is the best DT in the NFL and makes most of the OLinemen look bad.
Talk about quick off the snap!
I've complained about the RB situation ever since they just handed the position to Miller 2 years ago.
If Moreno can play well that will take care of that for the most part.

However, it doesn't seem that the coaching staff has put a big emphasis on running the ball.
No fullback. No short yardage guy.
Maybe it was just vanilla for this game.

This is the new NFL so passing and more passing is vogue and that's OK but you gotta be able to at least "stop the run" and we're not seeing that yet.

The Cowboys will be an interesting matchup. They have similar strengths and weaknesses.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 12:53 PM

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Gerald McCoy has power and quickness combo that I haven't seen in a while, reminds me of some of the better defensive players (Bruce Smith)I've seen and will dominate games, not sure he was this good last year or is it just Thomas is that bad because he treated him like a rag doll...

Hear what your saying about the hand offs and running game, looks like there meant to be option plays, but so far there's no other option but to hand it off. Easley readable
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Posted: 8/17/2014 1:24 PM

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This is my thinking dstock21, everyone knew our run game sucked last year so give them what they expect till it matters week 1 vs the Pats. Hopefully that's what they are doing, I know I would w/ the a pats being our 1st team that way they won't have any game tape to analyze.

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Posted: 8/17/2014 7:28 PM

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Watching a replay you can see what the problem was with the running plays.
The Bucs DLineman were constantly shooting inside gaps and were beating our guys off the snap count. 
They weren't overpowering us. They were out quicking us.
We did not vary our snap count at all, and the shotgun run handoffs were easy to diagnose.

Time to vary the snap counts to maintain  pre snap advantage and run "counters"  to neutralize the inside slants. 

A traditional "I" formation , lead blocker, QB over center wouldn't hurt every now and then either.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 8:05 PM

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I rewatched the game, and I agree with your assessment Wanny. The consistent glaring problem that I saw was that Dallas Thomas almost always lost his 1 on 1 battle in the run game. McCoy was in on almost every tackle that happened in the Find backfield. Apparently Turner is worse as a pass protector, but given our complete lack of ability to get push up front, I think it's vital to get him playing with the ones. Even if we give up an extra sack per game, that'll still be better than having an offense that literally cannot run the ball.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 9:52 PM

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Armando Salguero, Miami Herald, made a good suggestion:
Alex Boone, the 49ers massive guard has been a holdout and definitely an upgrade over what we have.
He suggested contacting the 49ers, who are short on receivers, about a trade: Boone for one of our Wide Receivers.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 9:52 PM

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Agreed. Go back watch the Moreno 200+ vs Pats. All of those yards were right up the Gut Off Tackle.
Most of them were simple shotgun inside handoffs. Watch the Tape its not that the plays are hidden, he has holes because his interior was flat out dominating the line. But when I watch that Tape I don't think Miller could have had that kind of game even with that line. Moreno not the big back ptototype that many wanna see, but lets hope he comes in healthy. We may still see another outside piece coming in to fix the interior line.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 12:55 AM

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Were a finesse team and running right up the gut is not going to be our forte, our line is built for movement to the right or left and the back needs to find the opening, given Miller's speed it would seem tailor made for him, but there's been little movement with the o-line and Miller seems to be impatient and lacks the vision of a good running back.

Getting beat by quickness shouldn't happen, our guys need to make there living being quicker off the line. There suppose to be light on there feet, maybe it's indecision on the players part wanting to react instead of acting(initiating contact), knowing what your doing will go a way's in solving this problem, how long that takes????? new line is main reason were ranked so low.. Passing attack looking unbelievably good and I do hate to say it but I would rely on it heavily 70-30 until the run game catches up..
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Posted: 8/18/2014 8:42 AM

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Not surprising the run defense and safety position are of a concern afer letting Solia and Clemons walk. Next season we will be addressing those positions in Free agency with huge bonus and contracts while neglecting WR or CB or some other position.

2013 - Spending bonanza on WR's and LB's while the OL sucked
2014 - Spending bonanza on OL while the DL and safety sucked
2015 - Spending bonanza on DL and S while the WR and LB's sucked

Its the Dolphin way!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 8/18/2014 9:16 AM

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We played the Bucs last year and they humiliated us on national TV by holding us to 2 yards rushing!

Of course we have a new line, offense, etc, but that would have been a perfect coaching opportunity to look at the past game tape and see what the Bucs were doing to manhandle us and game plan, this time, for the Bucs rush defense.

Instead we get destroyed  again (9 carries - minus 5 yards - 1st half) and all Philbin says is he thought we would run the ball better...
Based on what?

If I was Ross that would have been a perfect "meeting of the minds" moment.
Given what happened last year, I would have blasted the coaching staff for being unprepared and getting humiliated a 2nd time.
You can't tolerate that.

Last edited 8/18/2014 9:17 AM by FreeWanny

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