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Posted: 8/9/2014 8:25 AM

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Good News:

1. Opening Drive:
Offense looked terrific. Tannehill was making the right reads and accurate.passing.

2. Landry's punt return. Decisive. No wasted moves.

3. Brett Brackett, Kyle Miller and David Cone nice catches.

4. Tripp, Fede and McCain were active on defense.

5. Philbin looked lively ( for Philbin)

Bad News:

1. Defense was a hot steaming mess across the board. Big concern. No turnovers. Our best defensive play was Atlanta's self inflicted penalties.

2. No pass rush, and coverage was bad.

3. Poor tackling (carry over from last tear). Guys were in position to make plays but whiffed. In fairness, we never play well in Atlanta and their running backs are on another level in terms of shiftiness, And were talking about below average running backs. .
4. In contrast, our running backs were or are nothing special and have no "shiftiness". Hopefully with a healthy Moreno, help is on the way.

Of course we did little to nothing offensively after the first drive, but when your QB (Lobato) has been in camp less than 2 weeks and is an Undrafted FA rookie, the whole thing's just a throwaway.

At this point in time, the defense is the real concern.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 8:54 AM

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Every year I tell you and people of ur ilk...  There are no defensive schemes being used in pre-season.  Especially not the very first game of pre-season. 
And every year, you forget. 
Pre-season defenses are vanilla.  Lets see what they look like in the regular season before pretending to be able to assess the whole season. 
Their 1st team O scored on us.  Our 1st team O scored on them.  Then it was back-ups and FGs.  There really is no takeaway from this except for our running game sucks.  There are flashes here and there which you pointed out.  But you cant judge a unit that isn't even using half a playbook...

Stephen Ross...ur an assclown.
Sell the Dolphins immediately before you completely wreck this franchise. 

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Posted: 8/9/2014 10:08 AM

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Apparently Damien Williams, the rookie rb, left the field in a walking boot, on the bad news front.
Somebody gave me a Hickey.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 11:07 AM

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My take away is RTH better not get injured and the lb play is brutal.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 11:17 AM

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Wanny both you & chzamp have good points
The D looked awful sloppy but how much is Coyle really gonna show first game
Regardless, no excuse for plays where you see three four five missed tackles

Everybody all pumped about Fish first O Drive, but it was saved by a flag as well

Theres some good areas on this team with depth DT, DE, WR & other areas where we are just weak OLB, RB
What I saw last nite with Miller was what I saw last season, he still gives up when he sees a crowd
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Posted: 8/9/2014 12:40 PM

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Agree with you 100%. I was thinking the same thing about Miller. SSDY.

Of course I disagree with CHzamp's assessment about "no schemes the first game so no worries".

Schemes got nothing to do with the missed tackles. Guys were in position to make plays and they didn't.

Whether it was 1st string or 4th string, Falcons moved the ball at will against us and it would have been more of a statistical horror show if not for the Falcon penalties.

Next week should be better.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:10 PM

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Of course wanny is wrong about how he thinks scheme has nothing to do with performance.  If that was the case, there would be no need for a DC because they could just "go out there and do it".  If wanny wanted to learn something, he would research it.  But since he has no desire to learn, I have no desire to just do his homework for him so  he passes.  He doesn't realize that if a scheme was in place, the whole tone of the game changes.  A particular call in a particular situation can mean the difference between an offensive play working and being shut down.
DCs don't show their full hand in order to not give regular season opponents a chance to get new wrinkles on film for studying. 
Its sad to see that we went through the same thing last pre-season and wanny was complaining like he is this year.  And then the regular season started and the defense looked like they basically flipped on a switch before the season started.  We ended up with a top 10 defense at the end of the year and instead of learning something, we have wanny committing the same mistakes as last year. 
 
Its common knowledge that pre-season defenses are vanilla.  Sine people just refuse to admit ANYTHING I say is right.  What I should do is start posting the stuff THEY say FIRST.  Then watch as they scramble and have to try to agree with me.  But that would make others that realize what I say has quite a bit of merit think that I cant be trusted to bring it like it is.

Stephen Ross...ur an assclown.
Sell the Dolphins immediately before you completely wreck this franchise. 

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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:56 PM

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Defense looked exactly the same to me as it did last year, keep every thing in front of you for small gains so it takes 20 plays to make it down the field and hope they screw it up.

Kevin Coyle scheme may lead to low points being scored against us, last year being proof, but it is demoralizing for fans to watch and has to get the offense out of sync because of how long the defense is out on the field. There our no 3 and outs, he play's safe and doesn't seem to attack, if and when he does it never goes our way must be easy to read. Should of replaced him when we replace Sherman, last defense coach was head and shoulder better.

I may have come full circle and have started to like Philbin again because he has shown he can change, that somewhat angry out burst when we lost and he found it unacceptable even form his 3rd string. Looks like heads will roll.

Coyle think the defense scheme is sound, and yes there running a basic scheme and to me it looks like it blow's.

Will Davis looked like the best CB on defense very active and deserves to be the 1st corner off for nickel - not Wilson or Taylor

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Posted: 8/9/2014 4:53 PM

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I agree with you 100%.

Forget about the crazy "scheme" rant. I was strictly commenting on the game I watched last night.
Other than the 1st offensive drive, we got handled.

We don't need to be edumacated by some off the wall tirade about schemes

Everyone and their families know that teams do not "game plan or scheme" for the 1st preseason game.
They just want to see guys line up and play, win 1 on 1 battles, and not get hurt. Vanilla stuff. It's mostly about reserves.

Schemes or lack of schemes is irrelevant.

Did the Falcons scheme? Puhleeze.


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Posted: 8/9/2014 5:04 PM

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Until points given up is no longer a valid way to determine how good a D is, I will continue to believe the less points a team gives up, the better chance they have to win a game.  Call me crazy.  The team has been ranked 7th and then 8th in total points allowed.  Fans can cry me a river for all I care.  The end result is we gave up the 8th fewest amount of points last year.  That is the ONLY reason we had a shot to go to the playoffs. 
The offense was ranked 27th.  Who is putting pressure on whom?  Think the D is happy about the amount of time they have to spend out on the field  bailing the offense's asses out?  Feel free to score a point or 2 to help with the cause.

Coyle was a good keep until he proves he's not.  Nolan was a great hire before him but he didn't want to be here anymore.  So he bolted to ATL.  Good riddance.

Stephen Ross...ur an assclown.
Sell the Dolphins immediately before you completely wreck this franchise. 

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Posted: 8/9/2014 5:06 PM

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Object is to WIN the game....

On a different note Lazor offense was the star of the game and he's off to a fast start...
Coyle needs to build his defense to fit Lazor's offense... let's get some 3 and out's and quit getting pushed all over the field.

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Posted: 8/9/2014 5:19 PM

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FreeWanny wrote:

I agree with you 100%.

Forget about the crazy "scheme" rant. I was strictly commenting on the game I watched last night.
Other than the 1st offensive drive, we got handled.

We don't need to be edumacated by some off the wall tirade about schemes

Everyone and their families know that teams do not "game plan or scheme" for the 1st preseason game.
They just want to see guys line up and play, win 1 on 1 battles, and not get hurt. Vanilla stuff. It's mostly about reserves.

Schemes or lack of schemes is irrelevant.

Did the Falcons scheme? Puhleeze.



No, the Falcons didn't scheme either.  Like I said before...  Our O scored on them.  Theirs scored on us.  Then it was back-ups and FGs.  So what did we get?  We saw our 1st team O handle a 1st team D that didn't scheme.  And we saw their 1st team O score on our 1st team D that didn't scheme. 
Starters start.  The reason?  They are better than those on the 2nd and 3rd team.  We aren't going to play a game with all of the 2's out there, nor are we going to play a regular season game with all the 3s out there.  You look at the starters.  What did they do?  The defense played with no schemes or exotic blitz packages.  Think things might change with all those toys available?  You tell me.
But wanny will NEVERRRR admit Im right, so he is bound by law to disagree with me.  And he knows the information is out there on the interwebz, but he thinks if he doesn't look, then it doesn't exist.  Kinda like when you were little and you got in trouble and hid under the bed and closed ur eyes.  Just because you cant see Daddy, doesn't mean Daddy isn't there for everyone else to see...

Stephen Ross...ur an assclown.
Sell the Dolphins immediately before you completely wreck this franchise. 

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Posted: 8/9/2014 5:41 PM

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Chris Kouffman observations from game..

Watching Shelley Smith play LG, I was impressed. I think he should start for the Dolphins at that spot. Colledge was very blah.

Lazor probably got off to the best start of anyone on Dolphins, showing that he really is bringing over a fundamentally different offense.

Chris McCain is a very intriguing player but also one who looks like he's trying to figure out what the heck he's supposed to be doing.

And I'm sorry to say this, especially as I was a big fan of his in college for multiple years, but JaWuan James didn't have a great outing.

Will Davis had a very strong game. Jamar Taylor stunk. Sorry if that seems like an exaggeration but he was really not good. (even I noticed Davis)

Some of the work of the backups like Billy Turner and Shelley Smith intrigued me especially in the run game. Miami needs better RB play.

I'm not even through the 1st half of the game and all I can say is Terrence Fede...WOW. - 2nd tweet Terrence Fede started out fast and physically dynamic but slowed as the game wore on and he ran out of ideas.

3/4ths of the way through the game, I'll finish tonight with this thought: Jordie Tripp made his case to compete with Misi for the MLB job. - find this his most intriguing tweet

The fundamental basics of Miami's offense are clearly ported straight over from Chip Kelly. Inside-zone running, same alignments, spacing.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 5:52 PM

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chzamp wrote:
FreeWanny wrote:

I agree with you 100%.

Forget about the crazy "scheme" rant. I was strictly commenting on the game I watched last night.
Other than the 1st offensive drive, we got handled.

We don't need to be edumacated by some off the wall tirade about schemes

Everyone and their families know that teams do not "game plan or scheme" for the 1st preseason game.
They just want to see guys line up and play, win 1 on 1 battles, and not get hurt. Vanilla stuff. It's mostly about reserves.

Schemes or lack of schemes is irrelevant.

Did the Falcons scheme? Puhleeze.



No, the Falcons didn't scheme either.  Like I said before...  Our O scored on them.  Theirs scored on us.  Then it was back-ups and FGs.  So what did we get?  We saw our 1st team O handle a 1st team D that didn't scheme.  And we saw their 1st team O score on our 1st team D that didn't scheme. 
Starters start.  The reason?  They are better than those on the 2nd and 3rd team.  We aren't going to play a game with all of the 2's out there, nor are we going to play a regular season game with all the 3s out there.  You look at the starters.  What did they do?  The defense played with no schemes or exotic blitz packages.  Think things might change with all those toys available?  You tell me.
But wanny will NEVERRRR admit Im right, so he is bound by law to disagree with me.  And he knows the information is out there on the interwebz, but he thinks if he doesn't look, then it doesn't exist.  Kinda like when you were little and you got in trouble and hid under the bed and closed ur eyes.  Just because you cant see Daddy, doesn't mean Daddy isn't there for everyone else to see...
Hey, who's your Daddy? LOL!
Yes that's right neither team schemed. Glad that you agree with me. (finally)
Forget about the fact that the Falcons outgained us 372 to 229 . And that doesn't include  the  76 yard TD run and 35 yard pass both by Antone Smith negated by penalties.
As I initially posted, not concerned about the offensive production. With Lobato playing 3 quarters, kind of insulting to paying fans.
But the defensive effort was poor... scheme or no scheme.

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Posted: 8/9/2014 6:57 PM

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Tannehill is 5th all time for passing yards by QBs after 2 seasons...add that to the good news.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 7:03 PM

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How do you think I agree with you?  It was my point in my first post that said we didn't scheme and you brushed that aside.  Now you twisted yourself around so much to deny that I'm right, that you have totally flip-flopped and taken my side and called it YOURS.  What a joke. 
I don't give a squirt of PISS if in the ENTIRE game ATL gained 372 yards.  Who starts?  Were the starters out there all game?  Was the entire D installed and being called?  Give me a break with that nonsense.  That stats is WORTHLESS and you KNOW it. 
And I don't care if their D only gave up 229 yards the ENTIRE game.  Who starts?  Were they out there all game?  Is Dono Arrigato Mr. Lobato going to play that much in EVERY game we play this year?  Moore and Devlin are 2 and 3  and they didn't play.  Think the ATL D is throwing a party after that performance? 

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to call "owner" and tell him that "Freewanny" is insulted by the fact that Mr. Lobato is getting so much playing time, and instead of being like EVERYYYY other team in the NFL who knows not to put the starting QB out there in a pre-season game to get hurt like Sanchez, HE wants Tannehill out there MORE because fans paid for those games.  Fans also pay for the REGULAR SEASON, and if you ask the REST of the fans, they would rather have a healthy Tannehill to start the season rather than Lobato.  Unfortunately, there isn't a QB tree for us to pluck a starting QB off of to take pre-season snaps.

Stephen Ross...ur an assclown.
Sell the Dolphins immediately before you completely wreck this franchise. 

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Posted: 8/9/2014 7:14 PM

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dstock21 wrote: Tannehill is 5th all time for passing yards by QBs after 2 seasons...add that to the good news.
I didn't believe this at first. I had to read it about three times before I got it. At first I read it as 5th all time passer and he had played only two seasons.eek I was like, dstock is smoking something.laugh.gif

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Posted: 8/9/2014 7:54 PM

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PFF take

Miami — Three Performances of Note

Checking In With the Rookies

Let’s face it, for many people preseason is the first real chance to see their rookies in action and may be the only reason to tune in to a game before the real action starts. Right tackle Ja’Wuan James played 31 snaps (compared to the rest of the starters who began to fade out of the lineup after 10) and had a mixed day. He was actually perfect in pass protection, keeping a clean sheet from 16 pass-blocking snaps, though a cynic might point to the opposition as a big factor in that. His run blocking grade of -1.8 wasn’t great and left him with an overall mark of -0.7.

Second-rounder Jarvis Landry was only targeted twice, catching one pass – a quick screen – and getting dropped immediately for a loss, but did look dangerous as a return man.

Second Team D Upstages the 1′s

It wasn’t a great day for the Miami starters on defense with only really Randy Starks (typically) showing well and even he could only flash rather than dominate in his limited snaps. By contrast, the second team had several very positive performances with Jason Trusnik (+2.4), Jordan Tripp (+2.4), Will Davis (+3.1) and Terrence Fede (+4.1), in particular, impressing. Fede, a seventh-round rookie, graded well against both the run and the pass and though he couldn’t get the quarterback to the ground, he notched four hurries, more than anybody else on the team. The performance of these guys with the second unit was a large reason the Falcons could only manage 2.6 yards per carry on offense and suffered several plays that were blown up for big losses.

Backup QB

With Ryan Tannehill sitting after 10 snaps we got to see an extended performance from Seth Lobato as Matt Moore and Pat Devlin sat out the game. It wasn’t a great performance from the undrafted rookie who threw for 124 yards on his 14 completions. There were some bright spots, and he did have the team driving in the shadow of the Falcons’ goal line before dropping a shotgun snap and compounding the error by failing to fall on the ball and recover it. That turnover gave Atlanta the ball back with time winding down and effectively sealed the game. Lobato completed just one pass over 10 yards in the air from eight attempts. The long shot to make the roster may have just seen his odds become even longer.

Atlanta — Three Performances of Note

It’s Coming Back

That seemed to be the theme of the evening for Antone Smith who had his three biggest plays of the night nullified because of penalties. That cut both ways for Smith who was run over for a sack that didn’t count as well as his plays with the ball in his hands. Smith ended the game with a +1.4 grade thanks to two huge plays that robbed him of around 100 combined yards when they were nullified by flags. First, he caught a simple dump-off pass over the middle before turning on the jets and beating a pair of Miami defenders to the sideline, needing Brent Grimes to work just to save a touchdown. Then, later in the game, he cut right away from the intended hole, made a defender miss at the second level and then torched the deep safety on his way to a 75-yard score that was wiped off the board by a Jake Matthews hold. He ended the game officially with 5 yards on three carries and 5 more on a single catch, but he put much more than that on tape.

The Latest Matthews

Jake Matthews becomes the latest of the Matthews family bloodline to enter the NFL and the first action he saw will be classified as a rough day at the office. He only surrendered a solitary pressure – a knockdown – from his 13 pass blocking snaps, but he was also flagged twice for penalties including that costly hold that erased the long touchdown run. The only good news for Matthews is that the next man up at right tackle, Ryan Schraeder, graded even worse with a -4.4 mark after surrendering three hurries and struggling badly in his run blocking. Everybody wants rookie offensive tackles to hit the ground running and occasionally they do, but more often than not they are far more average (if not worse) in their first season.

Catching My Eye

There are players on the Falcons’ roster that graded better, and players that had better performances overall, but since I’m the guy writing this I thought I would single out a player that caught my eye with his play, defensive back Kimario McFadden. The first time I noticed him was on a kickoff when he managed to limit the return man to just 9 yards despite a perfectly reasonable length of kick and plenty of space in front of him in which to work. McFadden sprinted down field, was a good 5 yards out in front of any other cover man and took the returner down with a diving tackle. He then got his shot on defense and made a couple of nice plays sticking his head in to make stops that needed to be made. He only saw 13 snaps on defense, but he put together the kind of highlight reel tape that will have coaches singing his praises in meeting rooms in the days after the game.

Game Notes

- Despite needing to cut away from a collapsing hole at the line of scrimmage and make two people miss on the way to the end zone, Antone Smith was actually untouched on his 75-yard run.

- Tyler Starr, Osi Umenyiora and Standly Maponga each recorded two total pressures, but the Falcons as a whole totaled only nine from 148 combined pass-rushing attempts. That needs to improve.

- Brandon Fields had a gross punting average of 47.5 yards, but the highest hang time he achieved in the game was just 4.4 seconds. That’s not giving the coverage team much of a chance to get down the field.

PFF Game Ball

The most disruptive player on either side of the ball for Miami was seventh-round rookie Terrence Fede, well deserving of the game ball.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 9:02 PM

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People keep bashing the D for that 75 yard run. Yes nobody touched him and lots of players were out of position but correct me if I'm wrong and I could be...didn't he run right behind the guy who was being held? I just gotta think that hole was opened up because of the hold which is what makes it illegal.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 9:22 PM

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Tannehill was spot on can't ask for more, that's a big positive.
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