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The day after...

Posted: 10/1/2013 7:45 AM

The day after... 


Different points I`d like to make:
1) Why not let Lamar Miller have all of the carries? He may have gotten the 1st on that play early on inside NO`s 20. He has earned it. 5.6 vs. 1.2 per carry just last night. End the        experiment.
2) RT showed me last night that he makes the decisions and throws well enough to be a very good NFL QB. But that guy needs to be SCHOOLED on holding onto the ball.
3) Our D is very good, but we were shorthanded STILL at DB. We need Patterson back.
I actually liked the coverage from Taylor when Graham got the TD. Hopefully he comes around quick.
Final thoughts: we can hang with a lot of teams, not worried. But the turnovers and sacks (maybe max protect?) must end.

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Posted: 10/1/2013 8:21 AM

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I agree. I liked what I saw from Miller and Taylor (at least the parts I watched). RT looked pretty good for 3 quarters except for one good read by a DB and poor ball control. I liked that he finally started running.

We're a better than than last year. Just need time to bring it all together.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 9:22 AM

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Agreed! We are still young and still have a learning curve with this team. I believe this team will play more games like the first 3 than last nights game.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 10:18 AM

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4th and inches is NOT a time for a handoff.  17 needs to keep it.   It happened more than once this week.  Handoffs take to long to develope.  The QBs 1st move is turning and going back. 
When its short like that, you have the advantage of knowing the snap count.  You fire off the ball and the initial surge, however small it may be, is enough for the QB to follow the center and go to an openeing to fall down.  When you turn to hand off, that allows the D to win their battle and stuff it.  Plus, if we get the call, replay will be hard to overturn the call because of all the traffic. 
Basically, all 17 has to do is fall forwward and we get the inches.

Stephen Ross...ur an assclown.
Sell the Dolphins immediately before you completely wreck this franchise. 

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Posted: 10/1/2013 10:54 AM

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Id say the OLine was EXPOSED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 10/1/2013 11:24 AM

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Id say the OLine was EXPOSED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The OL was exposed since the Browns game. Our DL were the ones EXPOSED in this game. Only Odrick looked decent, the rest looked weak and dominated. Before the game i heard that thd NO OLine was their problem and yet our DL could not applied any constan pressure. Defending against the run is becoming a problem as well.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 11:53 AM

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packphinsfan wrote: Different points I`d like to make:
1) Why not let Lamar Miller have all of the carries? He may have gotten the 1st on that play early on inside NO`s 20. He has earned it. 5.6 vs. 1.2 per carry just last night. End the        experiment.
2) RT showed me last night that he makes the decisions and throws well enough to be a very good NFL QB. But that guy needs to be SCHOOLED on holding onto the ball.
3) Our D is very good, but we were shorthanded STILL at DB. We need Patterson back.
I actually liked the coverage from Taylor when Graham got the TD. Hopefully he comes around quick.
Final thoughts: we can hang with a lot of teams, not worried. But the turnovers and sacks (maybe max protect?) must end.
giving up 38 points in my book does not make defense "very good". Injuries or not there is no excuse!! I hate to make the comparison but look at the Pats. They have rookies and free agents all over the field and yet they still find ways to win. I'm sticking with my prediction of 7-9 this year. Final thoughts: IMO I don't think we can hang with a lot of teams this year. In order to do that this our offensive line needs a major overhaul. RTH needs to get rid of the ball and stop losing it every time he gets touched by a defender. Our DB's need to be more aggressive and stop playing "prevent defense" all the time.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 11:53 AM

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My biggest concern this game and last week is the lack of consistent pass rush and collapsing the pocket. We knew our ol was weak and rth is still very green. We are supposed to have one of the defenses and front 7's in the nfl. If you give guys like brees and Brady that much time in the pocket, they will shred our defense.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 2:03 PM

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"I just don't feel that team was as good as everybody was saying they were," Galette said, per The AP. "We just abused the offensive line all game."


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Posted: 10/1/2013 2:45 PM

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Quick Thoughts on Monday night loss

Posted Oct 1,
2013

http://mia.scout.com/2/1331843.html

The Dolphins missed a big opportunity on the national
stage Monday night when they dropped a 38-17 against the New Orleans Saints, but they still stand at 3-1 at the quarter mark of the regular season. So things
could be worse. That's one of the takeaways from the game, but there are plenty
more.



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Posted: 10/1/2013 2:47 PM

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Gonzorot wrote: "I just don't feel that team was as good as everybody was saying they were," Galette said, per The AP. "We just abused the offensive line all game."



OL, of which the majority here had fears about, definitely got exposed.  And if Tannehill isn't running for his life, the fumble never happens. etc.  The OL needs a fix.

And if Jordan doesn't start showing promise (which he will when Wake is playing, but what about when Wake isn't playing?)....then I fear the failure to draft an OL in this first round could become quite the talking point.



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Posted: 10/1/2013 3:49 PM

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The only aspect of the game that we were abused was our pass defense.
I thought we ran the ball well  and the sacks came in the 2nd half where we stayed in the shotgun and Tannehill was a sitting duck.

We all knew this game had the potential of a blowout loss so no surprise there but there are some concerns going forward:


Defensively:

1. Where's the element of surprise from the blitz? Our blitz packages were consistently torched.
2. Do we have any safeties or linebackers that can cover?

Offensively:

I thought the starting game plan was terrific: Miller running from the spread formation, Tannehill running, a Thigpen sighting. It was all good.
But there's something in Philbin or Sherman's DNA that makes them conservative / predictable as the game goes on.
Running Daniel Thomas wide to the short side of the field on 4th and 1 was easily the worst call of the year. Daniel Thomas needs to be cut. There are much better runners out there.

Why do we kneel down with 55 seconds left in the first half? Conservative stupidity! We do it all the time. It's a wasted opportunity and it's not like we make good adjustments in the 2nd half.
We go 3 and out all the time to start the 2nd half. I know Wallace let one go thru his hands deep but you have to continue to challenge teams. The Saints sat on our short passing game.
And then when the game is out of control, they leave Tannehill in the shotgun to throw short passes and get creamed.

With Payton back as their Head Coach, the Saints are an elite team and it's no shame in getting
shellacked by them, but you have to learn from your beatings. And I'm a little concerned with Philbin on the sidelines. I know he's aloof and a flatliner but come on ... get involved! He stands on the sidelines as if he's an invited guest. Who's he interacting with?
We talk about Tannehill's lack of pocket presence but Philbin needs work also.
If we're up 28-10 would we continue to be aggressive like the Saints or would Philbin run dive plays for no gain?

The Ravens game is winnable and would clear the stench from this loss.

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Posted: 10/1/2013 3:55 PM

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chzamp wrote: 4th and inches is NOT a time for a handoff.  17 needs to keep it.   It happened more than once this week.  Handoffs take to long to develope.  The QBs 1st move is turning and going back. 
When its short like that, you have the advantage of knowing the snap count.  You fire off the ball and the initial surge, however small it may be, is enough for the QB to follow the center and go to an openeing to fall down.  When you turn to hand off, that allows the D to win their battle and stuff it.  Plus, if we get the call, replay will be hard to overturn the call because of all the traffic. 
Basically, all 17 has to do is fall forwward and we get the inches.
Absolutely! It was a gimme. 100 out of 100 times Brady would have sneaked it and I would have bet my left one that Tannehill was going to keep it too. I was floored when he didn't.
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Posted: 10/1/2013 6:36 PM

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One thing that has frustrated me since the Dave Wannsted years is that the dolphins continue to look bad on:

1) Stopping 3rd and very very long
2) get killed by TE
3) get destroyed fast by the elite teams.
4) Do not know how to blitz
5) cannot pick up the blitz
6) we still do not know how to run a screen pass
7) lack of ability to make adjustments

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Posted: 10/1/2013 8:35 PM

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The oline is the biggest problem to me. But the easiest to fix problem is giving Miller all the carries, and the blocking assignments. Hell, Thomas got RT killed last week. This is the easiest fix of all our problems.

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Posted: 10/1/2013 9:07 PM

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Wanny are u drinking homemade punch again

If u couldn't see the Pocket breaking the seam on every play pressure was applied then you seriously need a new pair of designer glasses

Everytime I see Jimmy Graham bust the seam and dominate, just remember fireland took john jerry * passed on graham
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Posted: 10/1/2013 9:11 PM

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One more thing, zero pass rush since we dominated cleveland

where did it go, Vernon had a nice sack, solai been hobbling, misi injured, lost vaugn martin
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Posted: 10/2/2013 6:11 AM

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This is the regular season. Focus on what's important and right now it's all about the players and coaches ... not Fireland.
There's plenty of time to revisit Ireland, the draft and free agent moves ... just not now.

We're 3 and 1 and things change every week.

However, one thing is certain: if Wanny was the owner and my team took a knee with 55 seconds left in the first half, I would have pulled Philbin to the side and told him that he would be fired if he pulled that crap again. That was a defeatist move that I wouldn't tolerate.
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Posted: 10/2/2013 9:10 AM

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mikdo wrote:  just remember fireland took john jerry * passed on graham

Did not realize this.  eek

FreeWanny wrote:

However, one thing is certain: if Wanny was the owner and my team took a knee with 55 seconds left in the first half, I would have pulled Philbin to the side and told him that he would be fired if he pulled that crap again. That was a defeatist move that I wouldn't tolerate.

I didn't really have a problem with taking a knee there.  It was already starting to get out of hand at that point.  And knowing you get the ball first in the 2nd half, better to damage control and head in to regroup vs. make another mistake deep in your own territory and blow the game completely out of control.

Which eventually it did, anyhow, but at the time, it was the smart thing to do.  Especially in New Orleans.

But that 3rd and a chain link, tho......


My big concerns are the OLINE on known passing situations (run blocking was pretty good).  And the consistent pass rush.  We see how when the pass rush disappears, the coverage got lit up.  The two go together.  Gotta step up the pass rush when Wake is not on the field.



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Posted: 10/2/2013 10:47 AM

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There are lots of areas where we appeared to be exposed by this game but again, it was NO in their house. Are they true weaknesses or just one game letdowns. Without analyzing the heck out of everything my overall impression was that Tannehill just got a serious dose of the speed of NFL big league football and what "get rid of the ball" means. By the second half his mind had to be spinning. I think he found out he's no Russel Wilson...or Drew Brees.


What I'm wondering about most is the Tannehill/Wallace thing. Given that NO didn't give them much time I still don't understand why in four games we haven't seen a big play out of Wallace. I can only recall four or five attempted long passes and all failed. Everything that Wallace has caught has been like short to mid-range and about 80% came in one game. I thought he was supposed to be a game breaking long ball threat?

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