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Offensive Tackles (Alberts, Winston, McKinnie, etc) [Merged]

Posted: 4/17/2013 7:21 PM

Offensive Tackles (Alberts, Winston, McKinnie, etc) [Merged] 


Omar Kelly saying the Dolphins are looking again at trading a 2nd round pick for Brandon Albert

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sp...0,4041252.story

Last edited 5/2/2013 11:44 AM by Marx8385

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Posted: 4/17/2013 7:26 PM

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Per Omar Kelly, Sun Sentinel, Dolphins in trade talks to acquire Brandon Albert from the Chiefs.
The same Brandon Albert with a 9.8 million dollar franchise salary and malingering back issues.

Moving up to get one of the 3 OT's is like trying to sign Peyton Manning as a free agent last year: "ain't happening". The other teams in front of us need OT's as much as we do. End of discussion.



Ireland is willing to part with a 2nd round pick to overpay for Albert. 
Based on past history, fairly typical Ireland move. What other choice does he have?

Last edited 4/17/2013 7:32 PM by FreeWanny

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Posted: 4/17/2013 7:32 PM

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FreeWanny wrote:
Per Omar Kelly, Sun Sentinel, Dolphins in trade talks to acquire Brandon Albert from the Chiefs.
The same Brandon Albert with a 9.8 million dollar franchise salary and malingering back issues.

Ireland is willing to part with a 2nd round pick to overpay for Albert.
Based on past history, fairly typical Ireland move.
I really can't understand why they would do that but not Jake Long for less money and no pick?
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Posted: 4/17/2013 7:37 PM

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Agree. You summed it up in one sentence perfectly.

Maybe Big Jake's body is a complete train wreck. You know the Rams gave him 6 different MRI's.

The only thing wrong with Albert is a mysterious back problem that causes him to miss games for no reason and a crummy attitude. Probably an upgrade over Jake but a 2nd rounder on top of it ... geez!

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Posted: 4/17/2013 8:04 PM

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FreeWanny wrote:
Per Omar Kelly, Sun Sentinel, Dolphins in trade talks to acquire Brandon Albert from the Chiefs.
The same Brandon Albert with a 9.8 million dollar franchise salary and malingering back issues.

Moving up to get one of the 3 OT's is like trying to sign Peyton Manning as a free agent last year: "ain't happening". The other teams in front of us need OT's as much as we do. End of discussion.



Ireland is willing to part with a 2nd round pick to overpay for Albert. 
Based on past history, fairly typical Ireland move. What other choice does he have?
The Raiders are very willing to trade down for the right package. There will be competition though. It would be nice if we just stood pat and picked up DJ Fluker and signed Winston, Bryant McKinney, or any of the others there for depth!
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1
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Posted: 4/17/2013 8:48 PM

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Could be looking for Albert to play RT, don't understand why KC isn't looking at the same thing. Wonder if that would bring down his price under the franchise tag.

Think the Dolphins are looking to make a splash with there 1st pick. Got to try to sell tickets and build team. Austin or Eifert with Tannehill and Wallace and put them on billboards to try to sell tickets. Doubt there buying anymore tickets so blackouts looming for the local crowd.

Imagine the Dolphins have looked at trading up and it's not looking promising, teams wanting to much or not willing to trade.

There must be something wrong with Eric Winston because he looks like the right fit and no draft picks involved.
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Posted: 4/17/2013 8:53 PM

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It has been quoted that Albert is inflexible on the LT part: no chance of him going to RT. I dont like this move, either. I also wonder about Winston. Is his price that out of wack?
dougb123 wrote: Could be looking for Albert to play RT, don't understand why KC isn't looking at the same thing. Wonder if that would bring down his price under the franchise tag.

Think the Dolphins are looking to make a splash with there 1st pick. Got to try to sell tickets and build team. Austin or Eifert with Tannehill and Wallace and put them on billboards to try to sell tickets. Doubt there buying anymore tickets so blackouts looming for the local crowd.

Imagine the Dolphins have looked at trading up and it's not looking promising, teams wanting to much or not willing to trade.

There must be something wrong with Eric Winston because he looks like the right fit and no draft picks involved.

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Posted: 4/17/2013 10:11 PM

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That makes perfect sense now on why they would want to deal him. Could be Omar being used by the Dolphins to try lower the price of who ever there trading with, does look like they have interest in Lane.

Winston got to be a better deal than Albert. I'm clueless as to what the Dolphins are looking for on the o-line.
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Posted: 4/17/2013 10:42 PM

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No doubt Ireland's reviewed the 11 ahead of him and knows the tackles are going to come flying off early.
Teams are not willing to deal if they want the same thing you want.
Albert with his outlandish salary demands can just sit there and pocket close to 10 million dollars this year.
The Chiefs created this monster. Let them deal with it.

Don't panic Jeff. You have 11 freakin' picks! Build thru the draft!
Show everyone you can nail this thing and draft 11 players.

On the other hand if Albert's really healthy, a decent player and willing to sign a realistic longterm contract (pure fantasy),  swap him for Jonathan Martin (they want a 2nd round pick right?)
Sign Winston. Draft Cooper or Warmack. This could get out of hand in a good way.

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Posted: 4/17/2013 11:19 PM

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If we sign Fat Albert & give up a 2nd as well as 10mm
ill jump off the nearest bridge

are u kidding me

why the panic, worse case scenario, give martin a chance & pick up a warford for the interior & a rookie tackle (long,armstead) to compete for the right side against mastrud, jerry,

a solid interior helps base the exterior in a zone

albert wipes out any emergency cap
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Posted: 4/18/2013 12:32 AM

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Branden Albert is a very good quality Tackle and would make me feel alot better then Jonathan Martin as our only tackle candidate. I am certain if we trade for him we will need a long term deal in place.. Nobody trades for a player on the franchise tag with out an agreement in place already..   I imagine if it happened his salary should be around 5 or 6 million i think anymore then that would be hard to swallow..  Albert seems discontent im hopeful a 3rd or 4th can get it done.

I am hoping Ireland spends more time trying to negotiate something long term with Randy Starks who has earned a long term salary and that way it would lower the cap hit we have with him this season which would make room for albert.. You put him and Odrick next to each other for the next 4 years at least  forms a very solid front 2..  not to mention starks is getting pissed and skipping voluntary workouts as we speak.

IF we actually made this trade, It does change the dynamic of our draft.. I think a playmaker becomes more of a possibility.. Put Eiffert, Austin,Patterson back on the table tenatively ( still don't believe Ireland has the balls to draft a specialist in the 1st round) I wouldn't rule out a CB like Rhodes,Trufant, or milner if he slips to us which some mocks have him slipping..
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Posted: 4/18/2013 12:34 AM

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By the way Omar Kelly sucks and i have a hard time believing anything this blowhard types. Same guy who claimed Abraham came in for a look but was disputed by Armando.. He also thought Legaduu Nannee was our best reciever and wouldn't hear otherwise.eek1
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Posted: 4/18/2013 12:37 AM

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The only advantage to this isms hat you get a sure thing OT for one year.

Second year for wallace is a lot against the cap. If you trade our 2b pick for a pure year rental it allows us to skip replacing a need this year and be highly competitive.

I would not trade a second, but I would be willing to trade a third for a starting left tackle.

Albert, incognito, pouncey, (Jerry or Lewis), Martin.... That's a great online. We then have zero holes in our starting line up.

Next year, Both safeties, both DT, 3cb, RT, LG, TE, and OLB(MIsi) are all free agents. With picks 1, 2a, 2b, and 3 you try to draft e guys that either compete for a starting spot or replace a starter in 14. You resign 3-5 of the above FA, have these four high draft picks, and draft a starter in 14.

I would rather sign Winston at RT, but if they think Martin cannot play the Left side, then this deal makes sense. If you can sign Albert to a 3-4 year deal with about 12 million guaranteed. Front load it with 9 million First year and around 3 million second year you can cut him when he gets old and not take a cap hit.

Boom!!

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Posted: 4/18/2013 4:10 AM

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8yrGator wrote: The only advantage to this isms hat you get a sure thing OT for one year.

Second year for wallace is a lot against the cap. If you trade our 2b pick for a pure year rental it allows us to skip replacing a need this year and be highly competitive.

I would not trade a second, but I would be willing to trade a third for a starting left tackle.

Albert, incognito, pouncey, (Jerry or Lewis), Martin.... That's a great online. We then have zero holes in our starting line up.

Next year, Both safeties, both DT, 3cb, RT, LG, TE, and OLB(MIsi) are all free agents. With picks 1, 2a, 2b, and 3 you try to draft e guys that either compete for a starting spot or replace a starter in 14. You resign 3-5 of the above FA, have these four high draft picks, and draft a starter in 14.

I would rather sign Winston at RT, but if they think Martin cannot play the Left side, then this deal makes sense. If you can sign Albert to a 3-4 year deal with about 12 million guaranteed. Front load it with 9 million First year and around 3 million second year you can cut him when he gets old and not take a cap hit.
I don't think he can play the Left side unless he is a completely different player this year.. Its a huge question mark at LT and id rather have a proven guy OR at least One more low round prospect who can challenge Martin and be a safety net.. I really like Barret Jones as a pick, The guy is NFL ready from the get go and we can plug him in any position.. Kyle Long and Menelick Watson are both upper tier 2nd round Tackles with High Upside.  Watson has athleticism like i havent seen from an Olineman in a while.. While Long has the genes and knowledge to succeed at LT as well imo. Armstead im skeptical a little, he athletically is a perfect fit but he has alot to learn and its a huge leap to the NFL for him.

I don't know from a cap standpoint how we will be able to sign Albert though, Maybe Patterson is a goner now and maybe signing starks to a long term deal will give us the cap space If I were the GM i would explore trading Solai who is a natural Nose tackle and a goner next year, Shift Odrick to the DT position where he is perfectly suited for IMO and Draft Carradine,Okafor,Hunt, or Watson round 2.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 5:24 AM

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I dont want us trading a high pick for a fat guy with a bad back. Hes a good LT but no thank you.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:19 AM

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Guess Martin didn't hit the weight room this off season
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Posted: 4/18/2013 7:03 AM

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Ireland gives up a 2nd round pick for Albert he's killed a lot of the good will this off season has created.

Here's an article that explains it some, I will say if he's not willing to play RT for KC then I doubt he would be for us and we just don't need players like that around here anymore. If Matins a better fit for us at LT then what do we do with Albert. 3rd or 4th rounder at the most or sign Winston or a different tackle.

phinphanatic.com/2013/04/17/do...branden-albert/

This reeks of a smoke screen just to try to confuse everyone, Omar doing the Dolphins dirty work and I fell for it.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 7:52 AM

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From what I hear Albert is an average left tackle at best ranked 25th by PFF last year and wanting elite tackle money who by choice will not move to the right side, if Long returns to form and plays well for St. Louis Ireland going to look like he really doesn't know what he is doing.

Barret Jones I would think wasn't a very good tackle, (didn't have the feet) that's why he was moved inside.

The only player I see the Dolphins extending during the season is Reshad Jones, would be a mistake to let him test FA.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 8:17 AM

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Gonzorot wrote: By the way Omar Kelly sucks and i have a hard time believing anything this blowhard types. Same guy who claimed Abraham came in for a look but was disputed by Armando.. He also thought Legaduu Nannee was our best reciever and wouldn't hear otherwise.eek1

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Posted: 4/18/2013 8:27 AM

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Maybe his self-assessment is inflated, but Alberts is an upgrade over Martin.
But the mysterious back issues (the guy missed a lot of time), the lousy attitude after signing a lotto 9.8 million one year franchise offer. I'd pass.

If this is really comes to fruition, Martin must really suck and Ireland is panicking because our options are limited.
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