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Worth trading up?

Posted: 4/1/2013 2:04 PM

Worth trading up? 


Since we haven't really made a move addressing a LT/RT replacement, I was just wondering if Ireland may be thinking of trading up to get Joeckel, or Johnson or Fisher.

Don't know who will be available at #3 but almost certainly one of these guys will and the Raiders @ #3 seem to be ripe for a trade by only having 3 picks in the top 5 rounds and a myriad of needs. Wonder what it would take to get that #3 pick? Would our 1st at #12 and a 3rd be enough or would it take a 1 and 2 from this year to get it and would it even be worth it.

Ireland has managed to stockpile a ton of draft picks for this year so I don't really know if he would be very quick to trade them unless he felt the right player was worth trading a couple. Another possibility would be to trade up to get Milliner or even Floyd. Milliner scares me just a bit at 3 but I wouldn't be too upset (fingers crossed), but I not really sold on Floyd at all even though analysts have him that high. I see Floyd as more of a work in progress personally.

Just throwing ideas out there, but Dolphins not making moves at Tackle really makes me think they have something in mind. What do you guys think?

TailPhin
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Posted: 4/1/2013 2:13 PM

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Good post.  There's been a lot of chatter that Miami will move up to grab one of the 3 Tackles in this draft.  It wouldn't surprise me at all if they move up and give up a 3rd round pick for the chance. I don't see them moving up that far though.
TailPhin wrote: Since we haven't really made a move addressing a LT/RT replacement, I was just wondering if Ireland may be thinking of trading up to get Joeckel, or Johnson or Fisher.

Don't know who will be available at #3 but almost certainly one of these guys will and the Raiders @ #3 seem to be ripe for a trade by only having 3 picks in the top 5 rounds and a myriad of needs. Wonder what it would take to get that #3 pick? Would our 1st at #12 and a 3rd be enough or would it take a 1 and 2 from this year to get it and would it even be worth it.

Ireland has managed to stockpile a ton of draft picks for this year so I don't really know if he would be very quick to trade them unless he felt the right player was worth trading a couple. Another possibility would be to trade up to get Milliner or even Floyd. Milliner scares me just a bit at 3 but I wouldn't be too upset (fingers crossed), but I not really sold on Floyd at all even though analysts have him that high. I see Floyd as more of a work in progress personally.

Just throwing ideas out there, but Dolphins not making moves at Tackle really makes me think they have something in mind. What do you guys think?

TailPhin

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Posted: 4/1/2013 2:47 PM

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I'm defo up for trading up for one of them three ( well two, Joeckel will be gone). I'd trade up to about 5-7 for one of them two or Milliner if he's there.

I'd be happy with Warmack at #12 if we didn't move up but think we should cos RT is a big need right now.

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Since we haven't really made a move addressing a LT/RT replacement, I was just wondering if Ireland may be thinking of trading up to get Joeckel, or Johnson or Fisher.

Don't know who will be available at #3 but almost certainly one of these guys will and the Raiders @ #3 seem to be ripe for a trade by only having 3 picks in the top 5 rounds and a myriad of needs. Wonder what it would take to get that #3 pick? Would our 1st at #12 and a 3rd be enough or would it take a 1 and 2 from this year to get it and would it even be worth it.

Ireland has managed to stockpile a ton of draft picks for this year so I don't really know if he would be very quick to trade them unless he felt the right player was worth trading a couple. Another possibility would be to trade up to get Milliner or even Floyd. Milliner scares me just a bit at 3 but I wouldn't be too upset (fingers crossed), but I not really sold on Floyd at all even though analysts have him that high. I see Floyd as more of a work in progress personally.

Just throwing ideas out there, but Dolphins not making moves at Tackle really makes me think they have something in mind. What do you guys think?

TailPhin

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Posted: 4/1/2013 3:41 PM

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Forgot where I read it but heard San Fran is interested in Tavon Austin. Now that would be a huge drop from #12 to #31. I'd say a 2013 1st and 2nd and 2014 1st rounder.
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Posted: 4/1/2013 4:01 PM

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TourDeForce wrote: Forgot where I read it but heard San Fran is interested in Tavon Austin. Now that would be a huge drop from #12 to #31. I'd say a 2013 1st and 2nd and 2014 1st rounder.

The draft is a bit odd in the drop off you get around pick 10.  Especially with fewer teams likely to take a QB in picks 1-10.  I don't see any big reason not to make that trade.  The level of player we get at 12 won't be that much different than 31.
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Posted: 4/1/2013 9:10 PM

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You don't build a team by trading away draft picks. I would not trade up unless it is like from 12 to 10.
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Posted: 4/1/2013 9:58 PM

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kebo wrote: You don't build a team by trading away draft picks. I would not trade up unless it is like from 12 to 10.
I don't believe that one is definite, Look at the falcons trading up to get Julio Jones and a million other examples where teams selectively move up to grab an elite prospect they believe in.. Now if your talking trading up every draft or sacrificing entire drafts for one player then yes that is wasteful but i don't see anything wrong if you trade up especially with 10 or 11 picks in this years draft..

heck i wouldn't mind if we have addressed most of our positions we trade away some picks this year for next years draft as well.. Sort of like New England used to do ( theyve switched that mentality up in recent years though)
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Posted: 4/2/2013 12:56 AM

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kebo wrote: You don't build a team by trading away draft picks. I would not trade up unless it is like from 12 to 10.
I would typically agree with that statement if we didn't have so many picks is this draft. That is one oft he big advantages to having so many picks is the ability to use them to your advantage to move up and get "the guy" and still walk away better players. I agree that quantity has its perks, but quality will be what makes this draft for us.
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Posted: 4/2/2013 8:14 AM

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Trim, I hear what you are saying but I think our mgmt is on their game right now, and will let the draft come to them. In other words, they will wait for the draft to unfold and if someone is sitting at 8 or 9 that they absolutely love, they will trade a 3rd or 4th to get him. I dont think there is anyone in this draft that is worth trading a really premium pick (2nd or high 3rd) to get from 12. All the gurus are saying that the top 10 is not nearly as good as the top 10 from last year (Taneyhill would`ve been overall #1 this year per Brandt) but 10 thru 50 is stronger than last year. I really can see a trade back (or drafting Cooper or another really good OL).
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kebo wrote: You don't build a team by trading away draft picks. I would not trade up unless it is like from 12 to 10.
I would typically agree with that statement if we didn't have so many picks is this draft. That is one oft he big advantages to having so many picks is the ability to use them to your advantage to move up and get "the guy" and still walk away better players. I agree that quantity has its perks, but quality will be what makes this draft for us.

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Posted: 4/2/2013 10:06 AM

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To go from 12 to 3 would mean swapping and adding a 2nd this year or another 1st next year. With maybe a 3rd/4th added for good measure...

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Posted: 4/2/2013 11:49 AM

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NationsBIGGESTFinFan wrote: To go from 12 to 3 would mean swapping and adding a 2nd this year or another 1st next year. With maybe a 3rd/4th added for good measure...

I wouldn't move up to 3. No way.  Cost is too much.  Now, to get Johnson at 10 and jump the Chargers, I'd do it for a swap of 1sts and a 3rd this year.

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Posted: 4/2/2013 11:54 AM

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Let me clarify my last post. I am not specifically saying moving into the top 10, I was referring more to the ability to move up in other rounds as well as the 1st. For instance, Sure we have Keller now, but I would still love to draft Eifert, just not at 12. I would love to see us go BPA with our pick and move back into the first and take Eifert. Not saying we will, but we do have the picks to make that happen.
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Posted: 4/2/2013 3:13 PM

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Littletrim7 wrote: Let me clarify my last post. I am not specifically saying moving into the top 10, I was referring more to the ability to move up in other rounds as well as the 1st. For instance, Sure we have Keller now, but I would still love to draft Eifert, just not at 12. I would love to see us go BPA with our pick and move back into the first and take Eifert. Not saying we will, but we do have the picks to make that happen.
Absolutely agree on moving up in lower rounds. Worked to get our RB. Trading a 5th to move up in the 3rd? If we like him, it`s a no brainer.

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Posted: 4/2/2013 4:35 PM

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I'm all for trading up and down the 2nd-5th rounds...  I'm weary about picks 5-20ish, I think that area is bust city.  I wouldnt even mind if we traded back from 12.
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Posted: 4/3/2013 12:22 AM

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If they can move up using the 2nd 3rd round pick or a 4th I guess it wouldn't hurt that much, it is a deep draft though.
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Posted: 4/3/2013 7:10 AM

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Listening to Bill Polian on sirrius nfl-he rates Fluker over Johnson and would have no problem picking Fluker at 12 to play RT. His son worked on Stanford's coaching staff so he was also very familiar with Martin and believes Martin will be fine at LT-needs more strength which you would figure he addressed in the off season.
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Posted: 4/3/2013 9:43 AM

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I still think the Dolphins are waiting for Eric Winston to come down to a 1-year deal and less money. This way if 1 of the 3 top left tackles fall to the Dolphins at #12 then the Dolphins take them knowing Winston is one and done and we have Martin and say Lane Johnson for the long haul.
Looking at the "value-chart" as a reference the Dolphins could trade their #1 and the latter #3 pick to move up to the #9(Jets aren't trading with us) or #10 slot. With all the QB needy teams just signing QBs (Bills, Arizona, Oakland) there may be more of need to protect them at the top 3 LT might not last past the 8th pick. I only see us moving up to the #6 pick(Cleveland) if Joeckel of Fisher are still there. Cleveland would want a 2nd round pick though.
The other option is to move Martin to LT and have John Jerry, Lance Louis, Nate Garner, and Will Yeatmen battle it out to start at RT.
The last option is draft an OT in the 2nd round and move them to RT.
I still hope the Dolphins approach the draft with their top 5 picks being play makers (CB, TE, WR, DE, and then either a CB or DT(as they need to look for replacements for Starks and Soliai for next year).
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