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Ireland at it again bad decision AGAIN

  • ColsSJD
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Posted: 3/4/2013 11:32 PM

Ireland at it again bad decision AGAIN 


Come on Ireland fire yourself please.....

We don't tag Long?
We don't resign Bush?
Let Smith or best DB go?

Once again Ireland is setting this team back AGAIN..........

Will it ever end the futility of this JOKE OF A GM..............bangheadbangheadbangheadbanghead

Tired of it..............

I WANT MY PLAYOFF DOLPHINS BACK
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Posted: 3/5/2013 1:14 AM

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I partially agree. Partially disagree.

I think Ireland did the right thing putting the tag on stark. It gives the team another year to see if veron is a guy we can count on and to see what position odrick should play in the future. Feels a potential need.

We no longer need a DL. Going into FA our needs are, in no particular order, a starting tackle, RG. 2 WR, a TE. 2 CB and a FS.

We have about 38 million left. Assume 8-10 goes to rookies. We have about 28 to 30 left.

I think we sign long unless we think we can get a better option due to health in FA. Assume we spend 8M a year on long or another tackle. 20 million left.

Sign a number 1 receiver of you can. Of not address other needs and draft Patterson.

I would then go after a CB ( I really like calib). If you can afford it a FS too.

If you can't get a top wr. You sign the best CB out there. A FS and a number 2 WR.

Not in the draft you need a WR1 or WR2. A starting CB. A TE. And a RG.

I love Patterson at wr. I would see what it cost to move up from round 2 to get Erez. If not i like reed in the third round. I like the guard from KY in round 3 or 4.

The verdict is still out in irland. But this his last chance.

Boom!!

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Posted: 3/5/2013 5:08 AM

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I think he's made the right decision re the tagging. Long was gonna cost way too much to tag. I'm up for resigning Long as long as he doesn't still demand this $11m+ a year demands. Bush I'd like to resign but he's not a must. Miller is a far cheaper you get version, he's got plenty of upside.

Smuth I could happily lose. He couldn't catch a cold. There are plenty of quality FA CB's out there and i think we'll take one in the first two rounds anyway.
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Posted: 3/5/2013 7:56 AM

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ColsSJD wrote: Come on Ireland fire yourself please.....

We don't tag Long?
We don't resign Bush?
Let Smith or best DB go?

Once again Ireland is setting this team back AGAIN..........

Will it ever end the futility of this JOKE OF A GM..............bangheadbangheadbangheadbanghead

Tired of it..............

I WANT MY PLAYOFF DOLPHINS BACK

Wait... you want us to tag Long and pay him 16M when we can sign him for 11 and he's worth maybe 6 or 7?
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Posted: 3/5/2013 8:02 AM

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DolphinFanCA wrote:
ColsSJD wrote: Come on Ireland fire yourself please.....

We don't tag Long?
We don't resign Bush?
Let Smith or best DB go?

Once again Ireland is setting this team back AGAIN..........

Will it ever end the futility of this JOKE OF A GM..............bangheadbangheadbangheadbanghead

Tired of it..............

I WANT MY PLAYOFF DOLPHINS BACK

Wait... you want us to tag Long and pay him 16M when we can sign him for 11 and he's worth maybe 6 or 7?
Thank you. And I am good so far on his moves.

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Posted: 3/5/2013 10:14 AM

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My confidence in Ireland is he will:

Sign Pat White, resign Negadu Leddee & stick Colombo @ LT
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Posted: 3/5/2013 11:32 AM

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DolphinFanCA wrote:
ColsSJD wrote: Come on Ireland fire yourself please.....

We don't tag Long?
We don't resign Bush?
Let Smith or best DB go?

Once again Ireland is setting this team back AGAIN..........

Will it ever end the futility of this JOKE OF A GM..............bangheadbangheadbangheadbanghead

Tired of it..............

I WANT MY PLAYOFF DOLPHINS BACK

Wait... you want us to tag Long and pay him 16M when we can sign him for 11 and he's worth maybe 6 or 7?

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Posted: 3/5/2013 11:36 AM

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Smith isn't worth more than 6 mil..wants 10. Long may or may not be worth 8 mil...wants 11. Starks is worth 8 mil this year but not over a long term contract..good move. Not resigning Bush for 5 Mil a year...might backfire but Miller may show this was a great decision. Word is we are about to resign Hartline for 6-6.5 mil, that's about 1.5 mil than I think he is worth but once the details of the contract come out it may look better.
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Posted: 3/5/2013 12:52 PM

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dstock21 wrote: Smith isn't worth more than 6 mil..wants 10. Long may or may not be worth 8 mil...wants 11. Starks is worth 8 mil this year but not over a long term contract..good move. Not resigning Bush for 5 Mil a year...might backfire but Miller may show this was a great decision. Word is we are about to resign Hartline for 6-6.5 mil, that's about 1.5 mil than I think he is worth but once the details of the contract come out it may look better.
I agree.  The Starks tagging was the SMARTEST thing Ireland has done this off-season.  The tag number for Starks isn't crippling and gives the team another year to see what they have on the D-Line behind Randy.  It also gives them a chance to see if they can work out a more cap friendly salary for a longer term deal. 

- Sean Smith at 10 Million? The fact that he was our 'best' CB is depressing and says more to our lack of talent on the corner than Smiths outstanding play.  Get rid of him.

- Long is not an 11 million dollar player.  He may think he's worth it but he isn't.  if he comes back at 7 or 8 million then fine, if not see ya.

- Bush should not be re-signed.  I don't give RB's a big contract unless they are Adrian Peterson.  We have 3 guys who can run the ball and a FB who can play tailback in 3rd or 4th and short.

- Re-signing Hartline is a wise move even if it is for a bout a million per year more than we would like.  As a #2 WR he can flourish so long as the team picks up a legit #1 threat or two.

So depending on the Hartline deal the team will still have about 30-32 million to spend this off-season.  8 million to Rooks and you have 24 million to spend on FA.  10 Million to Wallace or Jennings, 7-8 Million for a Grimes or Rodgers-Cromartie, 1 or 2 million to Garner to stay as a back-up, 4-5 to have Clemons stay at FS.  There's your Free Agency right there.  We would have improved at WR and Starting CB and stayed level at O-line depth and FS which weren't positions of need.  That's IF they front load contracts.  Often contracts are back loaded and then re-negotiated later on to spread out the cap hit in coming seasons.  So the front office can in fact find another player or two depending on how they can rig the contracts agaisnt the cap.

In the draft Miami takes a CB, 1 or 2 WR, a pass catching TE, a T, and then depth positions. 

This is why Miami has the chance to make a big impact this off-season and improve vastly from a season ago.  I'm not a fan of Ireland, not one bit, but I'm not about to start running around like chicken little before FA and the draft have concluded. If we don't improve our talent level by the end of the draft THEN I will run around like chicken little and scream like a banshee

"Make it Rain Hell"

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Posted: 3/5/2013 1:09 PM

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I think they tagged the right player, couldn't afford to lose everyone and Starks gave them the better value then either Long or Smith. Do I think he is a Top 10 DT no but he's close and he works well with Soliai. I don't think they give him 8 on a long term contract maybe 6.5 or 7 or the move on when there ready...
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Posted: 3/5/2013 1:49 PM

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I AM so sick of Jeff Ireland that I have never hated any dolphin gm and we have had some of the worst but this gm is a jerk , a joke and he will absolutely ruin this team . we have created more holes since Ireland and how in Shula's name can we expect to get better if all we do is signbasement bargin players ?

all I have seen is a Team that has a fanbase that once had pride but now the fanbase is willing to follow Ireland to hell and for what ? 7-9 , 7-9 AND 7-9 man thats not much to be loyal to a gm that nobody wants to deal with.

I will Agree that not signing Jake Long is the right thing to do. this crap of letting goodplayers go like reggie and then depending on a unproven rb is not going to work. Daniel Thomas , Devonne Bess and Brian Hartline make up for a crappy offense ,especially if we fail to sign some real playmakers . Jeff Ireland is not worth the crap he puts on the field , consequenlty everyone but Lreland Apologist can see it.
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Posted: 3/5/2013 3:15 PM

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Posted: 3/5/2013 4:39 PM

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Oh boy oh boy oh boy!!!  Thank you NBFF for leaving me this!!!
Rosco50 wrote: I AM so sick of Jeff Ireland that I have never hated any dolphin gm and we have had some of the worst but this gm is a jerk , a joke and he will absolutely ruin this team . we have created more holes since Ireland and how in Shula's name can we expect to get better if all we do is signbasement bargin players (Which bargain basement players are you speaking of?  We haven't signed anyone yet.  FA starts March 12.  Starks is a Perennial Pro Bowler who will be here for another year at a team friendly price.  Hartline was our only legit target on the outside and if signed will be here at a relatively good price as well.  Leaving us enough money to find a #1 WR and other pieces that need to be filled, you oh so eloquently showed we are missing)?

all I have seen is a Team that has a fanbase that once had pride but now the fanbase is willing to follow Ireland to hell and for what ? 7-9 , 7-9 AND 7-9 man thats not much to be loyal to a gm that nobody wants to deal with (We as a fanbase are not filling the stadium and want to see a change at the top, but not for the sake of change.  Who here on this board claims that 7-9 is good enough?  Give me one posters name who has posted they like the fact that the team is 7-9 and not winning championships).

I will Agree that not signing Jake Long is the right thing to do (Not signing Jake Long to an 11 million dollar contract is the right thing to do.  Re-signing Jake Long to a 6 or 7 million dollar per year contract might be a genius thing to do). this crap of letting goodplayers go like reggie and then depending on a unproven rb is not going to work (Reggie has been here for 2 years, played his heart out, ran for 1000 and 945 yards respectively and we won exactly HOW MANY GAMES? Exactly). Daniel Thomas , Devonne Bess and Brian Hartline make up for a crappy offense ,especially if we fail to sign some real playmakers (True, if we don't sign any more playmakers the offense is going to stink.  However, by signing Hartline and franchising Starks the team is in a position to sign some difference makers in FA and with our draft picks, 5 in the first 3 rounds, bring in some young cheap talented playmakers who can help out right away.  If you think the dolphins are not going to sign or draft anyone at the skill positions on offense then you have an even lower opinion of Ireland than I have). Jeff Ireland is not worth the crap he puts on the field , consequenlty everyone but Lreland Apologist can see it (Calm down.  Remember Rosco, it's ONLY FOOTBALL.  Nothing has even started thsi off-season and people are panicking.  Let's wait until the Draft is done to assess whether or not Ireland was a disaster again. All the ranting in the world won't change that he is in charge of this off-season.  At least he has positioned the franchise to capitalize on a lot of Salary Cap money and a lot of early round picks to at least try and improve the talent here.  If he messes up, I'll be right beside you in hating the guy, but right now let's have hope that he makes some good decisions to improve the team).

"Make it Rain Hell"

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Posted: 3/5/2013 7:06 PM

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Reggie has played his heart out, no doubt he gave his all and I give him that. Fact is his all isn't good enough, not at all. He dances way too much, was obviously hurt much of last season as usual, and while he breaks some nice runs way too often he doesn't and while occasionally breaking 10-20 yard runs is good his 1 to -3 yard runs are too frequent for a starting HB who is well paid.
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Posted: 3/5/2013 8:36 PM

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Ireland needs to find us some good deals. With the money we have he should get us several players that can help us.
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Posted: 3/6/2013 12:13 PM

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Agree that it's way too early in the offseason to make judgement on personnel moves.

Franchising Starks for 8.45 million for one year does seem stupid considering he was willing to take less if given a long term deal.
If they do sign him to a long term deal for less money ... good move.
If not ... stupid. Have to wait and see.
Hartline is good 2nd receiver. A keeper at the right price.
Jake's a tough call and hasn't been healthy in a few years.  His played has dropped off and that's what we see but other teams still see a former #1 pick in the draft.
Sean Smith ... nothing special. It just looks bad if he goes because we have zero depth.

Things have to play out. Free agency just started. Draft coming up.

Hey, we sent a contingent of 55 personnel people to the Combine. 55!

Are you impressed"?

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Posted: 3/6/2013 2:14 PM

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Meh i don't think Starks' signing to the franchise was a dumb move at all either way.  I say they get a 3 or 4 year deal done for him at a lower price though.

Sean Smith going might look bad because he was a draft pick of Irelands, but I'd rather see him go and us using the money we would have spent on him to sign a CB who can actually make plays on the ball and tackle in run support lol.

I'm not impressed by Ireland and haven't been for quite awhile BUT last seasons draft (Albeit the Egnew pick was completely stupid) brought in a starting franchise QB, a potential starting DE in Vernon, the replacement to Reggie Bush in Miller, a rookie WR who showed promise in Matthews, a special teams returner who sparked that unit in Thigpen, and a DT who started getting into the regular rotation by the end of the year and showed some real progress. 

That's not too shabby at all.  If Ireland hits on as many picks this season as he did last, we might be well on our way to dispensing NE at the top of the division.  That's a BIG IF, but I can't flog him until he makes some moronic moves this off-season.  As for how many people were at the combine from Miami's staff ... who the heck pays all those people???  55 personnel people?

"Make it Rain Hell"

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Posted: 3/6/2013 5:24 PM

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Omar Kelly had this to say about the FA money..

What does $30 million buy? In cap space it is about 10 players who receive four-year contracts that average $6 million a season. If one player costs $12 million a season then double his share. If a player costs $3 million a year then cut his share in half....

So if you look at it like Omar does it cost us 1.5 players making 6 mill over 4 years - that what tagging Starts instead of signing him to a contract cost us.. Cap is a funny animal, weird money...

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Posted: 3/7/2013 3:15 PM

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