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We are considering using a franchise tag on Randy Starks???

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Posted: 3/3/2013 5:43 PM

We are considering using a franchise tag on Randy Starks??? 




The Miami Dolphins could be using their franchise tag on defensive tackle Randy Starks. NFL.com's Gregg Rosenthal said that he believes the Dolphins will use the tag on Starks instead of defensive back Sean Smith, but nothing has been formally announced.

Starks took to Twitter on Sunday, tweeting that he wants to remain with Miami for the rest of his career, and that he would be willing to give a discount to stay. If he is indeed hit with the franchise tag, he will make $8.45 million in 2013, compared to the $10.854 million it would cost the team to tag Smith. The Dolphins did not use the tag in 2012, and the last player to receive the designation from them was nose tackle Paul Soliai in 2011.

Starks is a nine-year NFL veteran, and has spent the past five seasons with the Dolphins. He started all 16 games in 2012, recording 4.5 sacks and 27 tackles, and also managed to pull in an interception. He has been selected to two Pro Bowls during his time in Miami, including this past season.

Why would we use a tag on Starks when he is willing to give us a discount?



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Posted: 3/3/2013 6:17 PM

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If you felt like Starks had 5 good seasons left then great because he is looking for a long term deal in which he may give us a discount because he wants to finish his career here. He did say a little bit of a discount maybe somewhere in the area of 5 to 6 mil a year. If you felt like Odrick or the DT we drafted last season were just about ready to take over and are younger and cheaper but your just not sure then pay him what he wants plus 2 million and see what happens. Our defense is good with him plugging the middle and IMO he is the only one worthy of the money the Tag would pay.
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Posted: 3/3/2013 7:31 PM

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There's no way Starks is signing for 5 or 6 mil he wants 8+ and a long term deal. He looking for a big signing bonus, that's the only reason he doesn't want the tag because the money is about the same. All the agents are looking at Miami's big money and trying to figure out how to get the most out of them, hence Starks tweet and public opinion. Doubt it works for him and the Dolphins tag him tomorrow. If Irelands smart he drafts a DT in round 2 or 3, not only because the draft is full of quality tackles but it will give them some leverage when dealing with both starting Tackles next year...

Everything he tweets is propaganda and it's all part of the process, if some other team offered him 9 he be gone in a second, last tweet he made would be SeeYa.....
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Posted: 3/3/2013 8:49 PM

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Starks is the only FA we have I really want to re-sign badly...

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Posted: 3/3/2013 10:28 PM

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I think tagging him makes sense. He is our best option and it gives us more time to work out a deal. He wants to stay but could be lured away in FA. Sometimes these deals take a while to iron out and this allows us to work on the guys that will be tougher to sign knowing that we have our DT coming back. I think its the best move and you can expect a deal to be done before the season starts.

As NBFF stated above, I too think he is the only guy I would truly miss if he was actually allowed to leave. I will say that I hope we can get something done with Jake as well as I feel he can bounce back. One down year is not enough to tell me a guy is done, I think he was fighting the injury long before he actually went down.
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Posted: 3/4/2013 12:01 AM

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Starks is still valuable, If we want to shed money at DT I say get rid of Solai instead and trade him.. They are only a year apart age wise and Starks has been much more consistent as well as a better pass rushing force then Solai who fits in as a 3-4 NT best.If i were GM i would look for a trade partner with Solai stockpile more picks for this year or the next and pay starks 7 million to remain a dolphin for good.

I was actually shocked we resigned solai last season, I thought after we were switching to a 4-3 he would be the oddman out with Odrick sliding to DT then using the money we paid solai to get a FA DE here. He is a great lane clogger and gets push but he is not fast enough to get sacks or put pressure on the QB, Motor is inconsistent with him i notice while starks has been a steady top 10 DT in the NFL.

I really do like what i saw out of Randall last season and i think between him, Mcdaniels, and possibly Odrick we can replace either starks or solai if we need to, but i like Starks and think he is a good team leader as well as better then Solai in this 4-3 defense.
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Posted: 3/4/2013 3:34 AM

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Tony McDaniels is a FA also was 4.2 mil against the cap last year, Starks was paid 6.2 mil, Soliai got 4.1 mil but has a dead cap space hit of 5.6 mil and I think that means he already been paid. So losing Soliai is off the table unless you want him playing for someone else while your giving him 5.6 mil. Same go's for Karlos Dansby but the hit is 11.3 mil.

Sure Soliai only plays 1st and 2nd down and Starks and Odick play all 3 but the Dolphins have been very hard to run against and Soliai is more than likely the bigger part to run defense because he's much harder to move off the line of scrimmage and eats up double teams giving the linebackers a better shot at the runner.

Starks value to the Dolphins now is different than his value in FA. Starks is scheme diverse 3-4 or 4-3 and has played every position from NT in a 3-4 to DE in a 3-4 and is a very good 4-3 playing either the 3 and 5 technique. Starks would attract a lot of attention from a variety of sources 3-4 defenses 4-3 defenses. The more suitors you have the better you chance is at landing big money...

Starks played great at the beginning of the year, but his play tapered off at the end. Not exactly what you want to see if your looking at giving someone an multi year deal worth 6 7 8 or more a year. Tagging Starks means the sides were still far apart but that the Dolphins really can't afford to lose him at this time and would be willing to give him 8+ for a year...

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Posted: 3/4/2013 4:41 AM

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dougb123 wrote: Tony McDaniels is a FA also was 4.2 mil against the cap last year, Starks was paid 6.2 mil, Soliai got 4.1 mil but has a dead cap space hit of 5.6 mil and I think that means he already been paid. So losing Soliai is off the table unless you want him playing for someone else while your giving him 5.6 mil. Same go's for Karlos Dansby but the hit is 11.3 mil.

Sure Soliai only plays 1st and 2nd down and Starks and Odick play all 3 but the Dolphins have been very hard to run against and Soliai is more than likely the bigger part to run defense because he's much harder to move off the line of scrimmage and different eats up double teams giving the linebackers a better shot at the runner.

Starks value to the Dolphins now is than his value in FA. Starks is scheme diverse 3-4 or 4-3 and has played every position from NT in a 3-4 to DE in a 3-4 and is a very good 4-3 playing either the 3 and 5 technique. Starks would attract a lot of attention from a variety of sources 3-4 defenses 4-3 defenses. The more suitors you have the better you chance is at landing big money...

Starks played great at the beginning of the year, but his play tapered off at the end. Not exactly what you want to see if your looking at giving someone an multi year deal worth 6 7 8 or more a year. Tagging Starks means the sides were still far apart but that the Dolphins really can't afford to lose him at this time and would be willing to give him 8+ for a year...
No offense but your information is wrong as hell... 

Solai would count 1.5 against this years cap if we cut him thats it  with a  6.3 million dollar cap savings. We aren't the jets i give ireland credit in that he has very few players on this team that he couldn't cut and not be hurt.. Exceptions are Wake, Tannehill, and Pouncey but why the hell would he cut them.As for dansby he makes a salary of 8 million to cut him would cost 4.5 million in dead money maybe your mistaken there as well.  If we did trade dansby we could cut dimitri patterson and save 4.5 million with 0 dead money as well

While i understand his play tapered off slightly at the end what were we playing for? Solai wasn't looking that hot in that time period either. All i am saying is i trust Philbin and Coyle to know which one of these guys is worth keeping and who is overrated and needs to be moved like Vontae was. One thing i will say is this staff does not seem anywhere near as clueless as the Sparano era.

Basically if we wanted we could move solai, resign starks, or keep them both and still be okay capwise. Ireland as much grief as i have given him has set himself up nicely this offseason to load this team with talent as well as not backloading contracts so we get handcuffed down the road like the Jets have done so poorly..

Here is a link check out this site for dolphins cap info. www.overthecap.com
Wow I have to say i don't know how Wake's salary for this season is only 5 million.. THAT IS  AN INSANE BARGIN
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Posted: 3/4/2013 5:08 AM

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This is where I gathered that info Assuming dead cap space is money already paid out... and would be lost if player was moved

www.nyjetscap.com/Dolphins/dolphins2012.php

I still think I'm right...

Wake's salary for this season is only 5 million but 14 mil in dead cap space - means Wake has already received 9mil of this money in a signing bonus at the beginning of the contract

The 2 sites seem to disagree and one of them has switched dead cap money and cap saving it does make sence that the NYjet site is right if you look at it from hiding money from the cap -  the other site would look right if the Dolphins wanted the option of removing Soliai from the roster

I would think the Dolphins were hiding money from the cap...but admit that could be wrong but I don't think so...

Dead money refers to the player’s cost against the salary cap if he is released or traded before the season

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Posted: 3/4/2013 10:20 AM

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Tagging Starks makes sense for this year as it will give the Staff ample time to see if the other two guys (Odrick and the rook) can fill in for him.  McDaniel is the guy who will likely be looking on the outside and not able to get back in.  I think Starks is a much better value with the tag than Sean Smith.  If we pick up a couple of strong man to man cover guys in FA (Thinking Ben Grimes, Aqib Talib, Asamougha, D Robinson et al as possibilities) then let Smith and his horrible ball skills walk.

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Posted: 3/4/2013 1:13 PM

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Starks got the tag.....
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Posted: 3/4/2013 2:43 PM

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As predicted and expected.  Not a bad move in my eyes.  Still good value and here for another year to see if he has anything in the tank left, and gives management more time to get a long term deal done if they wish so they can lift the tag later.

Wait can they do that?  Sign Starks long term and lift the tag to place on someone else?

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Posted: 3/4/2013 2:49 PM

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Hopefully this is a move that gives us more time to sign him long term.. If Starks is open to giving us a hometown discount I don't see a problem with locking him up long term and keeping him here.

Ireland is reportedly negotiating with hartline to get him signed as well not a bad move hartline has proven he can be a solid number 2 reciever.. He does things so well other then not having blazing speed, perhaps if we draft patterson or some other rookie WR, he can help them out teaching them techniques and route running..

As to doug Even if that jets site is right here is how it works, the most important number is cap saving's which is how much money the team will pay or save after cutting him or trading him... Basically according to the Jets site even if we traded him we would only have to pay an extra 1 million to his 2012 salary cap number.. Strange though that is the site where i went to get my info NYjetssalarycap.com and it directed me to the page i showed you. Oh i saw what you did wrong Doug that link is to the 2012 cap page LMAO dont worry its a monday I forget what year it is sometimes too biggrin

Last edited 3/4/2013 2:51 PM by Gonzorot

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Posted: 3/5/2013 1:12 PM

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Your right about the dead cap space Gonz , contract it a bit weird, guess they wanted the option of dumping him this year...
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