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Posted: 1/26/2013 6:41 PM

Top 12 board 


1.Damontre Moore DE
2. Bjoern Woerner DE
3. Luke Joeckel OT
4. Eric Fisher OT
5. Jarvis Jones OLB
6. Chance Warmack OG
7. Star Lotulelei DT
8. Ezekiel Ansah DE
9. Dee Milliner CB
10. Dion Jordan DE
11. Datone Jones DE
12. Barkevious Mingo DE


I'd be happy with any of these guys at 12.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 8:57 PM

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or this TOp 12 from fftoolbox

1.Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia - 6'3 - 220
2.Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M - 6'6 - 310
3.Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State - 6'4 - 255
4.Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M - 6'4 - 250
5.Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama - 6'3 - 320
6.Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama - 6'1 - 198
7.Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah - 6'4 - 320
8.Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan - 6'8 - 305
9.Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU - 6'5 - 240
10.Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame - 6'2 - 255
11.Keenan Allen, WR, California - 6'3 - 210
12.Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia Falling - 6'3 - 241

or this 1 from CBS sports

1*Luke Joeckel OT 1 Texas A&M Jr 6-6 310 1
2 *Bjoern Werner DE 1 Florida State Jr 6-4 256 1
3 Chance Warmack OG 1 Alabama Sr 6-2 322 1
4 *Damontre Moore DE 2 Texas A&M Jr 6-4 250 1
5 *Dee Milliner CB 1 Alabama Jr 6-1 198 1
6 Eric Fisher OT 2 Central Michigan Sr 6-7 305 1
7 *Jarvis Jones OLB 1 Georgia rJr 6-2 242 1
8 *Barkevious Mingo DE 3 LSU rJr 6-4 240 1
9 Star Lotulelei DT 1 Utah Sr 6-3 320 1
10 *Sheldon Richardson DT 2 Missouri rJr 6-3 295 1
11 Lane Johnson OT 3 Oklahoma Sr 6-6 302 1
12 *Keenan Allen WR 1 California 6-3 210

or this one from drafttek


1 +3 Luke Joeckel Texas A&M 6'6" 310 LOT ROT
2 +1 Bjoern Werner Florida State 6'4" 273 DE43
3 -2 Jarvis Jones Georgia 6'2" 242 OLB34 OLB43
4 +1 Dee Milliner Alabama 6'1" 196 CB
5 -3 Star Lotulelei Utah 6'3" 325 DT43 DT34
6 +1 Manti Te'o Notre Dame 6'2" 255 SILB
7 +5 Damontre Moore Texas A&M 6'4" 250 DE43 OLB34
8 +3 Barkevious Mingo LSU 6'4" 240 OLB34 DE43
9 -3 Johnathan Hankins Ohio State 6'3" 335 DT43 DT34
10 -2 Geno Smith West Virginia 6'3" 213 QB
11 -2 Dion Jordan Oregon 6'6" 246 DE43 OLB34
12 +4 Chance Warmack Alabama 6'3" 320 OG


or this one from Walter football


1 Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
2 Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
3 Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
4 Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
5 Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
6 DeMarcus Milliner, CB, Alabama
7 Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
8 Sheldon Richardson, DT
9 Chance Warmack, G, Alabama
10 Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
11 Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
12 Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia


There all slightly different and will all change by the time the draft rolls around...and there's 20 or so more and there all a bit different.

Last edited 1/26/2013 8:58 PM by dougb123

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Posted: 1/26/2013 10:45 PM

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Its so funny what a year does. Matt Barkley probably would have been our QB if he'd have come out last year and was thought of as the #1 overall pick this year and now can't sniff the top 12 and most mocks have him going in round 2. I still think somebody will use their !st round pick on him or trade back into the first round to get him, just hope its not the Jets.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 2:10 PM

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I think at least two qbs get picked in the top twelve, probably Geno and Barkley. Both top tackles will probably be gone by the time we pick as well. The strength of this draft is definitely pass rushers. We could end up having our choice between guys like Ansah, Mingo, Okafor, Jordan, Montgomery, or Datone Jones. We have to add cornerbacks and wide receivers. I just think the greatest value at twelve will be a guy to rush the passer.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 5:51 PM

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I would rather take 1 of the 2 guards than take a DE at 12, DE's just to hit and miss for me. You may be able to get one of those DE's in the 2nd. We need WRs and CBs thats the 2 positions we need most, and were in a spot were we might be able to take the top receiver.
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Posted: 3/2/2013 3:05 PM

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Time to revisit this. I still wouldn't take any of these WRs at 12. The more I think about it the more I like Datone Jones or Desmond Trufant. Post- combine top 12.


1. OT Luke Joeckel
2. OT Eric Fisher
3. OG Chance Warmack
4. CB Dee Milliner
5. DT Shareef Floyd
6. DT Star Lotulelei
7. DE Datone Jones
8. CB Desmond Trufant
9. DE Bjoern Woerner
10. CB Xavier Rhodes
11. OT Lane Johnson
12. QB Matt Barkley
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Posted: 3/2/2013 9:24 PM

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What is interesting is after a year in the pro's Eric Fisher will be much better tackle than Luke Joeckel. I scoffed at the idea of us taking Fisher at 12 when he was projected to us at the beginning.. not anymore.
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Posted: 3/3/2013 7:04 AM

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Looking at a number of recently updated mock's i see Trufant's name at #12
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Posted: 3/3/2013 9:56 AM

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Keenan Allen is going to be the guy we kick ourselves for not taking (if we don't take him). How many guys do you hear "don't have top end speed", but then flourish at WR in the NFL? He should be our pick at 12 if somebody else like Milner doesn't slip to us. We are too enamoured with the deep ball. A complete receiver will almost certainly be there 12 and we should take him. We have a chance to take Allen and probably Swope and come away with 2 well rounded WRs (one who post combine suddenly has the elite speed we want). We don't have to try and get everything this year, it would be nice but to expect to leave this free agency and draft with starters at 2 wr spots, 2 CBs, TE, 1 DE, 1 RG, 1 OT, 1 S is extremely unlikely. I would love to see us focus on offense rather than reach on defense.
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Posted: 3/3/2013 9:58 AM

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Keenan Allen is going to be the guy we kick ourselves for not taking (if we don't take him). How many guys do you hear "don't have top end speed", but then flourish at WR in the NFL? He should be our pick at 12 if somebody else like Milner doesn't slip to us. We are too enamoured with the deep ball. A complete receiver will almost certainly be there 12 and we should take him. We have a chance to take Allen and probably Swope and Patton and come away with 3 well rounded WRs (one who post combine suddenly has the elite speed we want). We don't have to try and get everything this year, it would be nice but to expect to leave this free agency and draft with starters at 2 wr spots, 2 CBs, TE, 1 DE, 1 RG, 1 OT, 1 S is extremely unlikely. I would love to see us focus on offense rather than reach on defense.

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Posted: 3/3/2013 10:17 AM

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dstock21 wrote: Keenan Allen is going to be the guy we kick ourselves for not taking (if we don't take him). How many guys do you hear "don't have top end speed", but then flourish at WR in the NFL? He should be our pick at 12 if somebody else like Milner doesn't slip to us. We are too enamoured with the deep ball. A complete receiver will almost certainly be there 12 and we should take him. We have a chance to take Allen and probably Swope and come away with 2 well rounded WRs (one who post combine suddenly has the elite speed we want). We don't have to try and get everything this year, it would be nice but to expect to leave this free agency and draft with starters at 2 wr spots, 2 CBs, TE, 1 DE, 1 RG, 1 OT, 1 S is extremely unlikely. I would love to see us focus on offense rather than reach on defense.

Is he having a pro day (im assuming he is) and will he run the 40.  That will be huge as to where he goes.
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Posted: 3/3/2013 10:46 AM

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Everyone has a top 12 list .... just a matter of putting value into what you read. There is a consensus service that I use, which consolidates the perceived top 10 sites and spits out the top 100. I'll be happy to share that when it's available. In the mean time, here is Scout, Inc & Kiper's Top 15:

Scout: Player (grade)
1. Joeckel (97)
2. Floyd (97)
3. Milliner (96)
4. Fisher (96)
5. Warmack (96)
6. Lotulelei (96)
7. Jordan (95)
8. Ansah (95)
9. Mingo (94)
10. Johnson (94)
11. Cooper (94)
12. Vacacaro (94)
13. Ogletree (94)
14. Werner (93)
15. Fluker (93)
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17. Austin (92) 
21. Allen (90)
22. Eifert (90)

Kiper's Big Board (updated 2/27):
1. Jones
2. Floyd
3. Fisher
4. Jordan
5. Joeckel
6. Milliner
7. Mingo
8. Lotulelei
9. Warmack
10. Cooper
11. Werner
12. Ansah
13. Williams
14. Vaccaro
15. Johnson
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16. Austin
17. Patterson
18. Eifert

Mind you, this is an N=2 and many "experts" have varied opinions but what seems to be constant is that this year's top / elite talent is on the respective lines. I subscribe to taking the BPA (in line with most pro GM's) and would love a Top 8 prospect to fall but if we need one of the playmakers, would trade back a few spots and choose one of them + gain an additional pick. All contingent on what we do in FA ...

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Posted: 3/3/2013 12:16 PM

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GM's are in the business of building football teams not collecting talent, there's no way a GM takes BPA if he's not a need on there team, It would be like the Dolphins drafting a center in the 1st round if there was one, it's not going to happen. I think they would be better off saying something Ireland say's a lot(value)best value available BVA. Every GM in the league picks for need he just tries to match value to the pick. I can only guess how BPA came about(press conference)of course a GM is going to say he got the BPA. Tannehill was the BVA to the Dolphins last year certainly not the league BPA, taking BVA in no way means to reach down 20 spots to fill a need than you wouldn't be getting the best value out of the draft. All teams reach at one point or another they just don't like to do it often.

Everyone's boards are all over the place, so how would you know if you did get a top 8 prospect. If your the Dolphins your counting on the information you scouts collected. Your not scouring the top internet boards looking to see where there placing everyone, even though I think there pretty darn good at it anymore.

You do have access to information that I do not, but I'm not to sure it's any more accurate than the information in the wild even if you are paying for it... that's the internet for you and the free flow of information.
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Posted: 3/4/2013 2:15 PM

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dougb123 wrote: GM's are in the business of building football teams not collecting talent, there's no way a GM takes BPA if he's not a need on there team, It would be like the Dolphins drafting a center in the 1st round if there was one, it's not going to happen. I think they would be better off saying something Ireland say's a lot(value)best value available BVA. Every GM in the league picks for need he just tries to match value to the pick. I can only guess how BPA came about(press conference)of course a GM is going to say he got the BPA. Tannehill was the BVA to the Dolphins last year certainly not the league BPA, taking BVA in no way means to reach down 20 spots to fill a need than you wouldn't be getting the best value out of the draft. All teams reach at one point or another they just don't like to do it often.

Everyone's boards are all over the place, so how would you know if you did get a top 8 prospect. If your the Dolphins your counting on the information you scouts collected. Your not scouring the top internet boards looking to see where there placing everyone, even though I think there pretty darn good at it anymore.

You do have access to information that I do not, but I'm not to sure it's any more accurate than the information in the wild even if you are paying for it... that's the internet for you and the free flow of information.
Your BVA vs BPA analogy is interesting and spot on with basing selections on your scouts and not the Kiper's or Mayock's of the world.

I would disagree that most teams draft for need as a number of high profile guru's (ie Polian) go the BPA route. The Giants are my local team here in North Jersey and they never draft for need ... took JPP while DE depth was already great and took Prince, while CB depth was good. Read some quotes from Andy Reid, after he was asked if the Chiefs would draft a QB. "You never build a Championship-caliber team by reaching for needs. Always draft the BPA even if it's a Guard." While the Eagles were not successful in FA, their drafts have been stellar using this philosophy.

Anyway, let's hope the BPA = need and we can turn things around sooner than later. Franchising Starks may lead us to the OL or better yet, trade back 3-5 spots for a WR, TE or CB.
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