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Dolphins LA bound / Update: Dolphins Dade Co Agree to Framework

Posted: 1/22/2013 9:28 PM

Dolphins LA bound / Update: Dolphins Dade Co Agree to Framework 


Recently read an article about Ross Purchasing steak in AEG. This California company where he wants to own stake in Bringing the franchise to California. Not sure what his goals are But if Cleveland can move anything is possible. I certainly don't trust this man

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Posted: 1/22/2013 9:41 PM

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I would not like this but in the end I am a Dolphins fan and since I have never lived in Miami and didn't grow up in florida I wouldn't be devastated by it.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 10:02 PM

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Here is a copy of the article

Dolphins Ross Not Winning Fans With AEG Interest
01/21/2013 11:28 PM
By: Brian Miller



The Miami Dolphins want to convince the state of Florida that they need money to add new features to their stadium that will bring it closer to NFL standards in the hopes of hosting another Super Bowl. Stephen Ross is desperately trying to win the hearts and minds of the south Florida fan base while at the same time hoping they will give him a little added dough.

That likability factor he so desperately desires may have taken yet another turn for the worse. Forget about his one time interest in buying the NY Jets. Forget about his love affair with celebrity minority owners. Forget about the orange carpet, Club Liv, his trip to San Francisco, and his courtship of Jim Harbaugh. Forget all of that. The newest fear is that Ross is going to take his team to California.

The simplest of explanations never says enough so when Stephen Ross called upon local Miami beat writer Dave Hyde and told him that he had no intentions of moving the team to Los Angeles, naturally very few believed him. Even those that did still had a little fear and skepticism in the back of their head. The math simply adds up to Cali interest.

A team that can’t sell out the stadium? Check. An owner who loves the celebrity lifestyle? Check. A stadium that can’t get the funding to renovate? Check. A team that on the field plays very low under the expectations. Check that too. Today we learn that Dolphins owner Stephen Ross is part of a group trying to buy AEG. While most would say so what, the issue at hand is that AEG is in the process of building the brand new stadium in Los Angeles for a football team that doesn’t yet exist.

Naturally the question is why?

While Ross denies the intent to move the team, it does not mean that he won’t move to Cali. It would not be the first time that a sports franchise owner sold his team in order to get an expansion team or even take over another franchise. In the case of Ross however, the chances are very slim if they exist at all. Truth be told, you don’t have to look any further than Sun-Life Stadium to know why.

There is no way that Ross is in the black when it comes to the combined expenses of the team and the stadium. The stadium is so empty on Sundays that the running joke is Miami Dolphins fans all showed up wearing orange for the game, an eluding fact to the empty orange seats. Naturally one would assume that any intent to buy a company hell bent on building a stadium has “move” written all over it. But for Ross, the reality is he still owns Sun-Life Stadium and without the Miami Dolphins, what little he may clear would be gone.

The Dolphins currently share their home with the University of Miami but the Hurricanes can not support the stadium on their own. Ross is not going to be able to find a buyer for the stadium without the presence of an NFL team to call it home. Ross can’t afford to let the stadium go and only play the Hurricanes or he stands to lose millions regardless of what is generated in L.A.

While he maintains that his interests in AEG is only to expand on his real estate and sport business interests, the subject is only going to further put a divide between himself and the fans he needs so desperately to like him. This is not going to win him more fans.

While I would love to sit here and say there is no way in hell the Dolphins would move to L.A. I am reminded that the fans in Cleveland and in Baltimore had said the same thing a long time ago.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 9:53 AM

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From a nostalgic point of view it would be sad for us locals, but this team has been so irrelevant for so long, it wouldn't be a big deal.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 11:27 AM

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There is no reason to leave MIA, this is still a huge market, fins are still a national brand, and we still generate tons of money in Florida...
I am in Italy for the semester, and the Fins are one of five teams I've seen represented in stores in Europe, we aren't going anywhere.

articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013...un-life-stadium
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Posted: 1/23/2013 11:30 AM

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FreeWanny wrote: From a nostalgic point of view it would be sad for us locals, but this team has been so irrelevant for so long, it wouldn't be a big deal.

You know the 80s / 90s / Marino fan in me would die inside if this happens, and I get POd because it's the owners own damn fault for mismanaging a team for so long that the tickets no longer sell.......and then there's the sinister raised eyebrow conspiracy theorist part of me that can't help but start to wonder.  Is that the plan of the owner all along?  Keep the team crappy so that you can turn around and say the fans aren't supporting your team enough and the city isn't supporting your stadium enough  and then use that as your excuse to move the team where you wanted to all along out in LA, where you follow the money to investments.

I don't really think that's the case. I don't want to even think that's the case. But the front office either truly sucks this bad or they're really geniusly sinister.  One of the two.

I can't really see the Dolphins ever leaving Miami, but like Wanny said - when a team is irrelevant for so long, stranger things can happen just like Cleveland and Baltimore. And Los Angeles really needs a team, it's been odd ever since the Rams left and the Raiders went back to Oakland.  I always enjoyed watching those Everett/Ellard/FlipperA/Dickerson vs. Montana/Rice/Lott rivalry games.



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Posted: 1/23/2013 12:11 PM

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They would lose me forever as a Dolphin Fan if they went to LA. I already went through this with the charlotte hornets leaving and i never even watched a bobcat game.  
I would probrably switch to the jaguars or panthers if the fins left Miami. 

This is a Muscle play for Mr. Ross though because he has now taken out pages and ads asking for Miami to pony up money to upgrade or build a new stadium.. Its shady because I don't see how Tax Payers should have to pay for something a private billionaire owns, but it is the way of the NFL.. I guess if the City was deadset on not spending a dime to improve the dolphins stadium then yes they could relocate but ultimately i don't think the city of Miami would let the dolphins walk.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 12:50 PM

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Well then I guess there's only one thing left to do.

Win the whole @&$%@ Thing.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 1:08 PM

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If the NFL did let it happen they would lose me as a fan forever, should of never let Cleveland Browns leave and should of made him sell it and buy a new franchise for the move.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 1:09 PM

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Of course it's a muscle play. Ross paid top dollar for the team from Huizenga.
He had visions of championships and celebrities.
We got some celebrities but nothing close to a championship.

He's probably getting antsy and is trying to do what business people do best: make money.

However, after the Florida Marlin taxpayer funded stadium fiasco, I don't think the locals have any appetite to help spend more money on a football stadium that never sells out (legitimatel)

Seriously, what improvements are really needed. Maybe they should spray paint the seats black so the empty ones don't stand out so much on TV.

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Posted: 1/23/2013 1:28 PM

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FreeWanny wrote: Of course it's a muscle play. Ross paid top dollar for the team from Huizenga.
He had visions of championships and celebrities.
We got some celebrities but nothing close to a championship.

He's probably getting antsy and is trying to do what business people do best: make money.

However, after the Florida Marlin taxpayer funded stadium fiasco, I don't think the locals have any appetite to help spend more money on a football stadium that never sells out (legitimatel)

Seriously, what improvements are really needed. Maybe they should spray paint the seats black so the empty ones don't stand out so much on TV.
You put out a decent product and those seats will fill right back up, You can't keep shoveling us crap and expecting us to eat it.Well I guess if Miami is cheap they will not help fund the stadium but i think losing an NFL team will definitely set Miami back much more then funding for some stadium upgrades.   Regardless this should be a done deal I will worry about it when it starts becoming serious.. I can guarantee you though if the dolphins left Miami i would never post on the NFL again or watch another game period.

Quick Question, How did Miami get duped into building the Marlins New Stadium? The stands were pathetically empty for the past decade for Marlins games Homeruns getting blasted into empty seating sections every game almost. Yet the people and the city felt compelled to buy them a brand stinking new stadiumeek1 Did they really fall for the Marlins spending Money to sell it off again like they do everytime they won a world series. This is like the 3rd time the Marlins have duped Miami into believing.. Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on Me, fool me three times Im a jack@ss

Anyways here is the article and I read elsewhere Ross is buying ads around the city asking for support for the upgrades.. I don't think it will be all that expensive to tax payers to upgrade rather then buy a completely new stadium

Ross says AEG bid doesn’t reflect intent to move Dolphins

Posted by Mike Florio on January 21, 2013, 8:17 PM EST
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With Dolphins owner Stephen Ross wanting to transform his team into the Lakers of the NFL, Dolphins fans now have reason to fret about Ross moving his team to the Lakers’ neighborhood.

According to Dave Hyde of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Ross has made a bid on AEG, the company intent on building a new pro football stadium in Los Angeles.  The development is creating concern that, if Ross isn’t able to persuade the local authorities in South Florida to help finance improvements to Sun Life Stadium, Ross could move the Dolphins to L.A.

“I have no interest at all in moving the Dolphins,” Ross told Hyde in an email, explaining that the effort to buy AEG is “strictly advancing our real estate, sports, entertainment and technology business.”

Still, there’s something odd about an owner of one NFL team trying to buy a company that wants to build a stadium that relies on an NFL team moving to L.A. in order to play there.  But Ross, like Panthers owner Jerry Richardson, would be abandoning a stadium Ross currently owns.

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Posted: 1/23/2013 1:30 PM

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My answer is I have a wonderful idea how you can upgrade the stadium - how about you upgrade the f'n team that's playing on that stuff called grass down there, and then worry about capacity and other stadium alterations once the fans have something to cheer about.



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Posted: 1/23/2013 7:47 PM

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The decision by Stephen Ross to go after AEG in California will have no bearing on where the Miami Dolphins will play. They will remain in Miami. Mike Dee who spoke with the city council today in order to get the renovations passed for the stadium upgrades told the commission that the team will commit for 20 years and beyond. Covering the events of the day, including the votes, Doug Hanks of the Miami Herald has been keeping those in the “Twitter” universe informed.

The biggest key issue outside of the actual funding is a deal that will not be similar to the one passed in order to get the Miami Marlins a new stadium. The Marlins ownership and negotiation team assured the city that they would keep a competitive product on the field, after the stadium was built, the owners traded away most of their high end payroll and high profile players. The Miami-Dade Commissioners wan’t written assurances from the Dolphins that a similar situation will not arise. The Dolphins have also agreed to open their financial books.

As the day came to a close, the Commissioners took a vote and the Dolphins plan passed by a vote of 9-4. While the vote is necessary it’s not the final hurdle as the team still must get the opined bill to pass state legislation. Today’s vote was basically to give local support for that bill. In the bill, the Dolphins are lobbying for a 1% increase in hotel taxes as well as 3 million dollar fund for pro sports teams per year. Although I will say I do not fully understand this particular point of the bill.

One Commissioner today asked that the Dolphins pull their training camp out of Broward County and move the team into Dade County. The Dolphins stadium resides 1 mile south of the Dade-Broward line in Dade County, but the team hosts it’s training facility in Broward county. The Dolphins need to get legislation to allow Broward County to send money outside of the county to help with the renovations.

One stipulation to this is that Miami-Dade Mayor Gimenez must iron out a deal with the team and told the Commissioners today that he is ready to begin those talks. The Dolphins next step will be to take the bill to the state legislators and get it passed. Once that happens, the stadium renovations will move into the contract phase. For now, it’s a small but vital victory to get the upgrades needed to the Dolphins stadium and on the surface it will appear that those changes will be made and completed in full by the 2014 season start.

The Dolphins, once the measure is passed, will also seek help from the NFL which has a stadium upgrade allocation fund that teams can receive assistance from. If the Dolphins receive some of those funds, upwards of tens of millions according to Doug Hanks, would help Stephen Ross with his portion of the costs. To my knowledge that money is not required to be paid back by the owner.

For now, there is some comfort in knowing that the team will not be leaving Miami. Mike Dee made clear to the Commissioners that “As long as Stephen Ross is the owner, the team will not be moving from Miami”. This in addition to his earlier comment that once the renovations are approved, the team will agree to a minimum of 20 years in South Florida.

NOTE: I am not 100% on the inside information of this legislation and what it means for the citizens of Miami-Dade and Broward county in terms of who pays what from taxes and so forth. I tried to express the basics of today’s meeting and vote. Until the legislative branch for the state of Florida votes on the bill there is no guarantee that the renovations will go through. In terms of the Broward and Dade county riffs, I can not provide more definitive examples but do know from previous communications that the Dolphins have been a point of contention between the two councils.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 10:05 PM

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Upgrading the stadium shouldn't be too costly and it does seem like Ross wants to keep the team in Miami for the long run.. I say tough it out and pay the taxes which sound minimal at best.
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Posted: 1/23/2013 10:35 PM

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Gonzorot wrote: Upgrading the stadium shouldn't be too costly and it does seem like Ross wants to keep the team in Miami for the long run.. I say tough it out and pay the taxes which sound minimal at best.
The real question I have is would anyone go to the stadiums even if they did upgrade the team?

Even for that brief moment when we seemed to be the talk of the town up and coming team, the stadium wasn't at max capacity.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 3:49 AM

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DolphinFanCA wrote:
Gonzorot wrote: Upgrading the stadium shouldn't be too costly and it does seem like Ross wants to keep the team in Miami for the long run.. I say tough it out and pay the taxes which sound minimal at best.
The real question I have is would anyone go to the stadiums even if they did upgrade the team?

Even for that brief moment when we seemed to be the talk of the town up and coming team, the stadium wasn't at max capacity.
Talk of the town please you guys have the Miami Heat in the city and they don't have attendance issues.. Its just common sense I live 4 hours from Miami and would gladly make a trip down there if the team was competitive for the playoffs.. 

I really don't think people want to spend money to see a mediocre team at best which they were  last year.. Draft Well Sign wisely in Free Agency this offseason and that stadium will fill back up guaranteed. People know when a team is playoff caliber .. We were not playoff caliber last year everyone knew that before the year so it was not going to be a full stadium, but the team overachieved in my mind.. I would like to see if FINALLY jeff ireland can capatalize on the potential there is to make this team important again. 

Because one thing that showed last year is Philbin has the talent as a coach to get Maximum results out of what he is dealt with.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 6:03 AM

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Gonzorot wrote:
Because one thing that showed last year is Philbin has the talent as a coach to get Maximum results out of what he is dealt with.
Maximum results? We were better than expected thanks to the Defense, but I wouldn't call what we did on offense maximum results...

Clay had 18 catches for 212 yards. Bush had 35 for 292. And those are probably two of the three or four most dynamic receivers on our offense. He maximized Hartline and Bess, and got a lot out of Tannehill. I'm not bashing him, I would give him a B grade on the season and hope he can improve, but he didn't get maximum results.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 9:12 AM

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Gonzorot wrote:

I really don't think people want to spend money to see a mediocre team at best which they were  last year.. Draft Well Sign wisely in Free Agency this offseason and that stadium will fill back up guaranteed. People know when a team is playoff caliber .. We were not playoff caliber last year everyone knew that before the year so it was not going to be a full stadium
^ This

In this economy right now, and with people being smarter with their dollar at home, the cost of going to a game and all expenses that come with it just aren't going to happen when you think your team is going to lose 28-3.  The fans you'll get that keep going will be the people within your city gates, but the rest of the fans that pour in to sell out your stadium are the ones that have to make the trip worth their money.



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Posted: 1/25/2013 4:36 PM

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Taxpayers should never be subject to paying fees for a new stadium. Period.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 10:09 AM

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Killerb58 wrote: Taxpayers should never be subject to paying fees for a new stadium. Period.
They should never pay for a stadium for the sake of paying for a stadium, but I disagree on how concrete your philosophy is.

It's the state's job to raise money however it can. If a 1 cent tax increase will pour money into the area via superbowls and other events, then the tax increase is a good idea. This is much different than the Marlins' park - in this case the state is paying for 50, and not 75% of funding, and also the stadium will be used to host various events, not just 80 home baseball games for a crappy team.
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