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Who's Going to Be Left on Offense?

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Posted: 12/21/2012 7:48 AM

Who's Going to Be Left on Offense? 


It could be an ugly end of the season for the Dolphins.  

James Walker has said in the AFC East Blog that both Hartline and Bess may be out this week.

By my count:
Jake Long
Charles Clay
Daniel Thomas
Davnne Bess?
Brian Hartline?

The good news is maybe we will get to see more of Miller, Egnew as well as seeing if Moore and Matthews can perform as more than occasional role players.


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/20/3149737/inju ry-concerns-spreading-for.html

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/21/3151402/unte sted-trio-may-be-miami-dolphins.html
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:20 AM

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I hate to see anyone injured but I think Binns is going to be a huge pick up for Miami. Also even though I love how hard Bess works , you just can't be slow and small in the NFL. Bess is no threat to score and he's of little use on the red zone. I think the offense will be just fine this week.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:54 AM

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birdmond wrote: I hate to see anyone injured but I think Binns is going to be a huge pick up for Miami. Also even though I love how hard Bess works , you just can't be slow and small in the NFL. Bess is no threat to score and he's of little use on the red zone. I think the offense will be just fine this week.
Bess is a talent being completely wasted.  The man needs to be a #3 slot WR playing the Welker role, his hands are OJ McDuffie-like.  In the right role he'd be pulling in 100 receptions.



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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:02 AM

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birdmond wrote: I hate to see anyone injured but I think Binns is going to be a huge pick up for Miami. Also even though I love how hard Bess works , you just can't be slow and small in the NFL. Bess is no threat to score and he's of little use on the red zone. I think the offense will be just fine this week.
Bess is a talent being completely wasted.  The man needs to be a #3 slot WR playing the Welker role, his hands are OJ McDuffie-like.  In the right role he'd be pulling in 100 receptions.

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Welker scores touchdowns. Bess? Not so much. I respect the heck out of the guy but his lack of speed kills the offense.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:41 AM

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Though I am a fan of Bess... I swear our team speed on offense was a lot faster last week when he was out. Anyone else notice that?
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:26 AM

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Though I am a fan of Bess... I swear our team speed on offense was a lot faster last week when he was out. Anyone else notice that?

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This is what I'm saying. I'm a Bess fan but his lack of speed is killing us.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:29 AM

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birdmond wrote:

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Though I am a fan of Bess... I swear our team speed on offense was a lot faster last week when he was out. Anyone else notice that?

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This is what I'm saying. I'm a Bess fan but his lack of speed is killing us.

Yes, because he makes everyone else run slower, and it had absolutely nothing to do with the fact it was Jacksonville.  rolleyes



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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:36 AM

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birdmond wrote:

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--- DAN61361 wrote:

Though I am a fan of Bess... I swear our team speed on offense was a lot faster last week when he was out. Anyone else notice that?

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This is what I'm saying. I'm a Bess fan but his lack of speed is killing us.

Yes, because he makes everyone else run slower, and it had absolutely nothing to do with the fact it was Jacksonville.  rolleyes

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I'm confused. On one hand it seems everyone on this board defends Tannehill because he has no weapons. Then one of the WR's gets criticized and said WR is now a weapon. Which is it? I keep hearing Tannehill has no help. How can this be if Bess is so good?
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:41 AM

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birdmond wrote:

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birdmond wrote: I hate to see anyone injured but I think Binns is going to be a huge pick up for Miami. Also even though I love how hard Bess works , you just can't be slow and small in the NFL. Bess is no threat to score and he's of little use on the red zone. I think the offense will be just fine this week.
Bess is a talent being completely wasted.  The man needs to be a #3 slot WR playing the Welker role, his hands are OJ McDuffie-like.  In the right role he'd be pulling in 100 receptions.

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Welker scores touchdowns. Bess? Not so much. I respect the heck out of the guy but his lack of speed kills the offense.

Maybe, just maybe........you are able to get open for touchdowns when you actually are used properly to your strengths, have a better WR/TE corps, and an offensive scheme that spreads the field and creates space across the middle. 

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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:47 AM

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birdmond wrote:

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--- Marx8385 wrote:


birdmond wrote:

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--- DAN61361 wrote:

Though I am a fan of Bess... I swear our team speed on offense was a lot faster last week when he was out. Anyone else notice that?

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This is what I'm saying. I'm a Bess fan but his lack of speed is killing us.

Yes, because he makes everyone else run slower, and it had absolutely nothing to do with the fact it was Jacksonville.  rolleyes

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I'm confused. On one hand it seems everyone on this board defends Tannehill because he has no weapons. Then one of the WR's gets criticized and said WR is now a weapon. Which is it? I keep hearing Tannehill has no help. How can this be if Bess is so good?
Hopefully this will help your confusion.  It's called "using personnel to their strengths".  It's called putting people in the right position, that lets them excel at what they do well, and not in a position where they aren't.

Bess is NOT a weapon, when being forced in the #1 position.  That's not where he should be, but is, because we have a weak receiving corps.  Bess should be a slot #3.  He was better as a #2 across from #1 Marshall, but of course we couldn't have that, that made too much sense.

Hartline, as another example, should not be a #1 or #2 doing a fade jump ball into the corner of an endzone, either.

We do not have the proper personnel for the positions right now.  Therefore, no weapons. No space. Put them in their proper positions, in the right system, and they are suddenly able to excel.  Thus, the talk for drafting or acquiring a #1 and possibly also a #2 WR.  Adding at least a viable #1 could even increase Hartline's production. 

It's like a big puzzle, you can have several pieces but one piece is missing, and all the other pieces look like jack squat, all doing absolutely nothing.  Then you plug in that one piece, and suddenly all of the other pieces become effective and fit.

Hopefully that explains and clears up the confusion.  wink



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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:55 AM

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Marx8385 wrote:
birdmond wrote:

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--- DAN61361 wrote:

Though I am a fan of Bess... I swear our team speed on offense was a lot faster last week when he was out. Anyone else notice that?

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This is what I'm saying. I'm a Bess fan but his lack of speed is killing us.

Yes, because he makes everyone else run slower, and it had absolutely nothing to do with the fact it was Jacksonville.  rolleyes
nah... I'm going to go with Moore and Mathews as the number 2 being able to get down the field faster than slow @ss bess.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:51 AM

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Marx8385 wrote:
birdmond wrote:

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--- DAN61361 wrote:

Though I am a fan of Bess... I swear our team speed on offense was a lot faster last week when he was out. Anyone else notice that?

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This is what I'm saying. I'm a Bess fan but his lack of speed is killing us.

Yes, because he makes everyone else run slower, and it had absolutely nothing to do with the fact it was Jacksonville.  rolleyes
nah... I'm going to go with Moore and Mathews as the number 2 being able to get down the field faster than slow @ss bess.

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This man knows. Oh he knows.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:53 AM

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--- Marx8385 wrote:


birdmond wrote:

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--- Marx8385 wrote:


birdmond wrote:

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--- DAN61361 wrote:

Though I am a fan of Bess... I swear our team speed on offense was a lot faster last week when he was out. Anyone else notice that?

---------------------------------------------

This is what I'm saying. I'm a Bess fan but his lack of speed is killing us.

Yes, because he makes everyone else run slower, and it had absolutely nothing to do with the fact it was Jacksonville.  rolleyes

---------------------------------------------

I'm confused. On one hand it seems everyone on this board defends Tannehill because he has no weapons. Then one of the WR's gets criticized and said WR is now a weapon. Which is it? I keep hearing Tannehill has no help. How can this be if Bess is so good?
Hopefully this will help your confusion.  It's called "using personnel to their strengths".  It's called putting people in the right position, that lets them excel at what they do well, and not in a position where they aren't.

Bess is NOT a weapon, when being forced in the #1 position.  That's not where he should be, but is, because we have a weak receiving corps.  Bess should be a slot #3.  He was better as a #2 across from #1 Marshall, but of course we couldn't have that, that made too much sense.

Hartline, as another example, should not be a #1 or #2 doing a fade jump ball into the corner of an endzone, either.

We do not have the proper personnel for the positions right now.  Therefore, no weapons. No space. Put them in their proper positions, in the right system, and they are suddenly able to excel.  Thus, the talk for drafting or acquiring a #1 and possibly also a #2 WR.  Adding at least a viable #1 could even increase Hartline's production. 

It's like a big puzzle, you can have several pieces but one piece is missing, and all the other pieces look like jack squat, all doing absolutely nothing.  Then you plug in that one piece, and suddenly all of the other pieces become effective and fit.

Hopefully that explains and clears up the confusion.  wink

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If this is true why was Bess allergic to the end zone when we had Brandon Marshall?
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Posted: 12/21/2012 12:31 PM

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birdmond wrote:

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--- Marx8385 wrote:


birdmond wrote:

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--- Marx8385 wrote:


birdmond wrote:

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--- DAN61361 wrote:

Though I am a fan of Bess... I swear our team speed on offense was a lot faster last week when he was out. Anyone else notice that?

---------------------------------------------

This is what I'm saying. I'm a Bess fan but his lack of speed is killing us.

Yes, because he makes everyone else run slower, and it had absolutely nothing to do with the fact it was Jacksonville.  rolleyes

---------------------------------------------

I'm confused. On one hand it seems everyone on this board defends Tannehill because he has no weapons. Then one of the WR's gets criticized and said WR is now a weapon. Which is it? I keep hearing Tannehill has no help. How can this be if Bess is so good?
Hopefully this will help your confusion.  It's called "using personnel to their strengths".  It's called putting people in the right position, that lets them excel at what they do well, and not in a position where they aren't.

Bess is NOT a weapon, when being forced in the #1 position.  That's not where he should be, but is, because we have a weak receiving corps.  Bess should be a slot #3.  He was better as a #2 across from #1 Marshall, but of course we couldn't have that, that made too much sense.

Hartline, as another example, should not be a #1 or #2 doing a fade jump ball into the corner of an endzone, either.

We do not have the proper personnel for the positions right now.  Therefore, no weapons. No space. Put them in their proper positions, in the right system, and they are suddenly able to excel.  Thus, the talk for drafting or acquiring a #1 and possibly also a #2 WR.  Adding at least a viable #1 could even increase Hartline's production. 

It's like a big puzzle, you can have several pieces but one piece is missing, and all the other pieces look like jack squat, all doing absolutely nothing.  Then you plug in that one piece, and suddenly all of the other pieces become effective and fit.

Hopefully that explains and clears up the confusion.  wink

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If this is true why was Bess allergic to the end zone when we had Brandon Marshall?
ya I pretty much agree with all of that.  I'd rather see Mathews, Binn or even Moore getting the long balls and let Bess and Hartline run the short to intermidiate routes.  Hartline running fades to the corner of the endzone is worthless, and I think it was the end of the first Bills game where Bess was running seams down the sideline and I was like WTF?  Dude cant out run anyone...  Its just not his strengths.  I love the guy, but damn...  Let him do what he is good at.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 2:14 PM

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Marx8385 wrote:
birdmond wrote: I hate to see anyone injured but I think Binns is going to be a huge pick up for Miami. Also even though I love how hard Bess works , you just can't be slow and small in the NFL. Bess is no threat to score and he's of little use on the red zone. I think the offense will be just fine this week.
Bess is a talent being completely wasted.  The man needs to be a #3 slot WR playing the Welker role, his hands are OJ McDuffie-like.  In the right role he'd be pulling in 100 receptions.
Completely agree.  If we had a decent #1 WR we could be potent with a 3WR single back set.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 2:25 PM

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There is no doubt Devon Bess is a solid Slot reciever, He may be slow but he is quick and very shifty.. I don't think his struggles near the endzone are a product of poor play.. He can score but he is a tad short of a target around the goaline and that really hinders his play..

You would be very hard pressed to find a better pair of hands, and a better route runner for a slot reciever then devon Bess.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:25 PM

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I think we all agree that both Hartline and Bess can fit in as support pieces but aren't #1 and #2 receivers respectively.  They've done admirably considering the circumstances.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 9:40 AM

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I think we all agree that both Hartline and Bess can fit in as support pieces but aren't #1 and #2 receivers respectively.  They've done admirably considering the circumstances.

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True but , replacing them with speed and size is still the way to go. The Dolphins will not miss Bess. I'm torn on Hartline.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 10:49 PM

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Per Armand'ho:

Davone Bess and Koa Misi will miss their second consecutive game Sunday when the Dolphins play the Buffalo Bills.

The news is better for wide receiver Brian Hartline, who is listed as questionable. Hartline worked some on Friday and is expected to play barring a significant setback.

Interestingly, the Dolphins are not certain about defensive tackle Randy Starks. Although he is not injured, he missed the entire week of practice for personal reasons. The club has declined to specify what those reasons are.

Starks is questionable for the game.

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