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tight end ? / Is it time to play Egnew a few snaps?? [Merged]

Posted: 12/7/2012 9:46 PM

tight end ? / Is it time to play Egnew a few snaps?? [Merged] 


what ever happened to egnew the te from mizzou he was a stud in college that caught everything. Are they working with him or just another wasted pick. Fasano has caught exactly 1 pass in each of the last 6 games anyone can do that. Why mot give a chance what can it hurt

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Posted: 12/8/2012 5:41 AM

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Considering we gave up half of Brandon Marshall for this kid I'd like to see him actually get used. He always seems to be inactive. Where's the harm now in sticking him in and seeing what he can do. Fasano has two speeds, slow and stop and has to re upgraded. Putting Egnew in will tell us if we've got a project here or another bust.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 6:18 AM

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At this point everybody and their mother knows about the Egnew fiasco.

It's jusy inconceivable that Philbin would not play him if he didn't show anything.
Right now he's a "bust". That's it.

If the same guy keeps buying the groceries, expect the same results.

Omar Kelly the beat writer for the Dolphins is singing Jeff Ireland's praises: "Jeff's only been in charge since 2010 so he'll be around next year and all the Ireland haters will have to deal with it!" Although, Omar  is extremely critical of Tannehill and Philbin.

Giving Ireland a pass since he's only been in charge since 2010?

What was he doing before that, cleaning the Tuna's underwear?

Ireland's personnel fingerprints are on everything and every player on the roster but let's thank Omar for sharing this insight and giving Dolfans optimism that Ireland will still be calling the shots in the future.

What would we do without beat writers?
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Posted: 12/8/2012 8:20 AM

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To answer your question, without beat writers we would have MUCH LESS access to the team we all love - so there's that.

He's also not "singing Ireland's praises", he's saying that Ross isn't firing Ireland after this year, so there's no point in continuing to bitch. I don't think Ireland has been a particularly great GM, but I do agree with him that you can't evaluate him on the Parcells drafts, because obviously Parcells had the final say on those.

2010: Odrick, Misi, Carroll, Jones. Four starters - 3 of whom should be starters (Carroll is not a starting CB, but a solid #3/4. Odrick also should be moved inside, but he is a beast against the run). Jones is currently the best safety in the league - that's a pretty good draft.

2011: Pouncey, Thomas, Gates, Clay, Kearse, Wilson - 1 starter (who is the best in the league at his position), 2 busts (Thomas is probably a bust at this point). 1 potential playmaker who the coaching staff hasn't taken advantage of in Clay, and one of our best STers. Yes Wilson has been bad as the nickel, but he also is playing CB out of necessity and has flashed potential. A very mediocre draft, but better than almost every one we'd had from 2000-2007.

I personally have been much more disappointed with Philbin/Sherman than I've been with Ireland this year. Not saying either should get a pass, and I certainly wouldn't be upset if Ireland was fired. And I believe Philbin deserves more time as a rookie HC, but what has he really done? Our offense is still pathetic, and we don't even take advantage of the limited talent we have - we just run Reggie up the middle every play & send Bess on fly routes. Coyle, Kacy Rogers, and Jim Turner are really the only coaches I'm particularly impressed with as of now. I'm very disappointed with Sherman. He's not a rookie, but he hasn't been creative at all. How does it take 12 weeks to give Marcus Thigpen a single touch? That, and a lot of our other problems, are on the coaching staff and not the GM.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 4:38 PM

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FreeWanny wrote: At this point everybody and their mother knows about the Egnew fiasco.

It's jusy inconceivable that Philbin would not play him if he didn't show anything.
Right now he's a "bust". That's it.

If the same guy keeps buying the groceries, expect the same results.

Omar Kelly the beat writer for the Dolphins is singing Jeff Ireland's praises: "Jeff's only been in charge since 2010 so he'll be around next year and all the Ireland haters will have to deal with it!" Although, Omar  is extremely critical of Tannehill and Philbin.

Giving Ireland a pass since he's only been in charge since 2010?

What was he doing before that, cleaning the Tuna's underwear?

Ireland's personnel fingerprints are on everything and every player on the roster but let's thank Omar for sharing this insight and giving Dolfans optimism that Ireland will still be calling the shots in the future.

What would we do without beat writers?
Yeah omar kelly kind of pisses me off, He is fervently a supporter of Jeff Ireland, which i can understand because as a reporter thats his meal ticket to be friendly to the dolphins staff..

That being said if you disagree with his opinions he is quick to treat you like an idiot.. So i got banned from his twitter feed for telling him off.lol  The guy is as open to different views as a brick wall and his constant support of Ireland and denial of his responsibility's makes me mad.

He has insinuated that the whole time Parcells was here he had no input, which i don't agree with because basically that would mean he had his job for no reason, he is the GM of course he had input on personnel decisions. His decisions after Parcells are even more questionable.. Cutting Thomas and Gardnener for Matt Kopa and Pat Mcquistan. The Marshall Trades and loss of picks, The misses on vontae davis and Michael Egnew.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 6:16 PM

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Jschwald wrote: To answer your question, without beat writers we would have MUCH LESS access to the team we all love - so there's that.

He's also not "singing Ireland's praises", he's saying that Ross isn't firing Ireland after this year, so there's no point in continuing to bitch. I don't think Ireland has been a particularly great GM, but I do agree with him that you can't evaluate him on the Parcells drafts, because obviously Parcells had the final say on those.

2010: Odrick, Misi, Carroll, Jones. Four starters - 3 of whom should be starters (Carroll is not a starting CB, but a solid #3/4. Odrick also should be moved inside, but he is a beast against the run). Jones is currently the best safety in the league - that's a pretty good draft.

2011: Pouncey, Thomas, Gates, Clay, Kearse, Wilson - 1 starter (who is the best in the league at his position), 2 busts (Thomas is probably a bust at this point). 1 potential playmaker who the coaching staff hasn't taken advantage of in Clay, and one of our best STers. Yes Wilson has been bad as the nickel, but he also is playing CB out of necessity and has flashed potential. A very mediocre draft, but better than almost every one we'd had from 2000-2007.

I personally have been much more disappointed with Philbin/Sherman than I've been with Ireland this year. Not saying either should get a pass, and I certainly wouldn't be upset if Ireland was fired. And I believe Philbin deserves more time as a rookie HC, but what has he really done? Our offense is still pathetic, and we don't even take advantage of the limited talent we have - we just run Reggie up the middle every play & send Bess on fly routes. Coyle, Kacy Rogers, and Jim Turner are really the only coaches I'm particularly impressed with as of now. I'm very disappointed with Sherman. He's not a rookie, but he hasn't been creative at all. How does it take 12 weeks to give Marcus Thigpen a single touch? That, and a lot of our other problems, are on the coaching staff and not the GM.
Besides Thigpen, how bout Rishard Matthews having two catches in very limited play, yet looks like he warrants more time. Also enuf has been said about Lamar Miller.  Hopefully next year these guys will get a shot to shine.

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Posted: 12/8/2012 10:53 PM

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Gonzorot wrote:
FreeWanny wrote: At this point everybody and their mother knows about the Egnew fiasco.

It's jusy inconceivable that Philbin would not play him if he didn't show anything.
Right now he's a "bust". That's it.

If the same guy keeps buying the groceries, expect the same results.

Omar Kelly the beat writer for the Dolphins is singing Jeff Ireland's praises: "Jeff's only been in charge since 2010 so he'll be around next year and all the Ireland haters will have to deal with it!" Although, Omar  is extremely critical of Tannehill and Philbin.

Giving Ireland a pass since he's only been in charge since 2010?

What was he doing before that, cleaning the Tuna's underwear?

Ireland's personnel fingerprints are on everything and every player on the roster but let's thank Omar for sharing this insight and giving Dolfans optimism that Ireland will still be calling the shots in the future.

What would we do without beat writers?
Yeah omar kelly kind of pisses me off, He is fervently a supporter of Jeff Ireland, which i can understand because as a reporter thats his meal ticket to be friendly to the dolphins staff..

That being said if you disagree with his opinions he is quick to treat you like an idiot.. So i got banned from his twitter feed for telling him off.lol  The guy is as open to different views as a brick wall and his constant support of Ireland and denial of his responsibility's makes me mad.

He has insinuated that the whole time Parcells was here he had no input, which i don't agree with because basically that would mean he had his job for no reason, he is the GM of course he had input on personnel decisions. His decisions after Parcells are even more questionable.. Cutting Thomas and Gardnener for Matt Kopa and Pat Mcquistan. The Marshall Trades and loss of picks, The misses on vontae davis and Michael Egnew.
Nobody said that beat writers don't serve a purpose. When the majority of practices are closed to the public you depend on beat writers for some insight and practice updates.
But none of them  know what's really going on so their opinions are no better than any poster here.

Of course Ireland was far more involved in personnel matters before 2010 and he ain't been so hot after 2010 either.

He needs to go no matter how much Omar Kelly tells us he's staying.

With the exception of one poster on this site and his buddy, Omar Kelly, the consensus about Jeff ireland is universally bad.

If Ireland was fired tomorrow, would you miss him?
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Posted: 12/8/2012 11:42 PM

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If Ireland was fired tomorrow, would you miss him?
NO. I have never liked him as our GM.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 7:06 AM

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FreeWanny wrote: 

Nobody said that beat writers don't serve a purpose. When the majority of practices are closed to the public you depend on beat writers for some insight and practice updates.
But none of them  know what's really going on so their opinions are no better than any poster here.

Of course Ireland was far more involved in personnel matters before 2010 and he ain't been so hot after 2010 either.

He needs to go no matter how much Omar Kelly tells us he's staying.

With the exception of one poster on this site and his buddy, Omar Kelly, the consensus about Jeff ireland is universally bad.

If Ireland was fired tomorrow, would you miss him?
To answer your last question - no I wouldn't miss him. And I hope more than ever that we fire him this year so we can hire AJ Smith as our GM, who I think is one of the best talent evaluators there is. But I highly doubt it's happening.

Again, no matter how many times you try to put words in my mouth, I DON'T THINK JEFF IRELAND IS GOOD. I think he is mediocre, which makes sense because our team right now is mediocre. I also think he isn't the biggest problem on Ross's payroll, who is Mike Sherman IMO.

I also believe your hatred of Ireland completely skews your objectivity, and you refuse to admit that while he has been very bad at times, he has also been good at times.

I'm going to give you a challenge: Find 8 teams that had a stronger 2010 draft than us. All you have to do is put us outside of the top 25% of the league.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 10:45 AM

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That's the problem with Ireland, he hasn't been horrible but he hasn't been very good.  He's had some pretty good picks with Hartline and Jones.  He's had some bad ones with White, Thomas? and Gates.

Depending on who you blame for the 2008 draft, that was an epic fail. If Long walks this year, that means we would have 0 starters and 0 players from that draft.  Unacceptable.  That seems to be the divide between our fanbas, whether you blame Parcells, Ireland or both for the 2008-2009 drafts.

Ordrick also seems like a reach at this point.  He's solid against the run but hardly worth a 1st round draft pick.  Jerry has been a perennial disappointment and the jury is still out on Misi.

Martin may end up being a good one but outside of him, our 2nd round picks have been bad.  What scares me is he has 2 of them this year and we can't afford to waste them.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:03 AM

Is it time to play Egnew a few snaps?? 


The Miami Dolphins drafted tight end Michael Egnew in the third round last April. Drafted for his ability to stretch the field, Egnew has been inactive for every game of the 2012 season. But, is it time to give the rookie some snaps?

No Miami Dolphins player raises more questions, both from fans and from the media, than rookie tight end Michael Egnew. Drafted in the third round last April, Egnew was expected to give the Dolphins a seam threat, using his athletic ability to add a dynamic weapon to the Miami offense. However, Egnew fell behind early in preseason, never developing as the team had hoped, and he has spent every game this season on the inactive list.

But, is it time for that to change?

Let's face it, the Dolphins are a long shot to make the playoffs. They trail thePittsburgh Steelers by two games for the final Wild Card spot, with four games to play. Could they make the run? Of course. But it's going to take a lot of help from other teams if they are going to successfully make it to the post season.

Instead, it may be time for the Dolphins to  begin  thinking about the development of the team for next year. By no means am I saying that the team give up on the year, nor am I saying they should not try to win every game remaining on the schedule. But, they could use the remaining games to get some younger guys NFL experience, while continuing to try to win.

The first of those players should probably be Egnew. The rookie looked like the speed of the game surprised him in the preseason. His head was swimming and he never overcame it. Offensive coordinator Mike Sherman, after being tough on him during the team's appearance on Hard Knocks this preseason, has been more effusive in his praise for Egnew lately.

Sherman is asked during nearly every press conference about Egnew. He has explained that, as he tried to get used to the  NFL game , Egnew fell behind the other tight ends, and has been trying to play catch up all year. Sherman has added that Egnew is developing, but still the rookie has been inactive every week.

Is it time to change that? Should the Dolphins get Egnew into live action, if only to let him get the experience ahead of next season? Fans are quick to call Egnew a horrible pick, even labeling him as a bust, without ever seeing what he could bring to the team. He's not a bust, he's a rookie who needed more time to develop than anyone on the Dolphins, in the media, or any of the fans, thought he would need. That happens. No one can accurately predict how a player will react to the speed of the NFL. Quarterback Ryan Tannehill should be evidence enough of that fact.

Could we see Egnew play against the San Francisco 49ers tomorrow? We may or may not. But, for the future of the Dolphins, it may be time to get the tight end into the game.

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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:13 AM

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Ireland has made some decent picks who are just "guys". No superstars or stars just a bunch of "Joes". Not quite bad enough to cut but clearly nobody to build a team around. We'll be stuck in the 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 range with maybe an occasional 1st rd playoff beatdown. I just dont think he's the man to get us over the hump. Being competitive in losses and having moral victories will be the highlights with Ireland as GM IMO.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:37 AM

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Jschwald wrote:
FreeWanny wrote: 

Nobody said that beat writers don't serve a purpose. When the majority of practices are closed to the public you depend on beat writers for some insight and practice updates.
But none of them  know what's really going on so their opinions are no better than any poster here.

Of course Ireland was far more involved in personnel matters before 2010 and he ain't been so hot after 2010 either.

He needs to go no matter how much Omar Kelly tells us he's staying.

With the exception of one poster on this site and his buddy, Omar Kelly, the consensus about Jeff ireland is universally bad.

If Ireland was fired tomorrow, would you miss him?
To answer your last question - no I wouldn't miss him. And I hope more than ever that we fire him this year so we can hire AJ Smith as our GM, who I think is one of the best talent evaluators there is. But I highly doubt it's happening.

Again, no matter how many times you try to put words in my mouth, I DON'T THINK JEFF IRELAND IS GOOD. I think he is mediocre, which makes sense because our team right now is mediocre. I also think he isn't the biggest problem on Ross's payroll, who is Mike Sherman IMO.

I also believe your hatred of Ireland completely skews your objectivity, and you refuse to admit that while he has been very bad at times, he has also been good at times.

I'm going to give you a challenge: Find 8 teams that had a stronger 2010 draft than us. All you have to do is put us outside of the top 25% of the league.
Finding 8 teams with a stronger draft in 2010 is like arguing that Pouncey and Rashad Jones are the best at their position in the NFL.

Just because you're a good player on a mediocre team doesn't make you the best. We haven't been able to run between the tackles in how long? You just can't blame that on the other 4 guys. Jones had a nice pick 6 that was called back but he has 3 picks for the year so far. He ain't making anyone forget about Ed Reed right now. 

Bess and Hartline as a tandem are probably in the top tier for wide receiver production but are they the best or are they the best of what we have?
Hartline can't break a tackle and Bess can't win a footrace.

With the exception of Brandon Fields (who was not drafted by Jeff Ireland), I don't think we have any player that is the best at his position in the NFL

The GM is in charge of all things related to personnel: free agents, draft picks, etc.
It's a big job.

Here's where we agree: time to fill it with someone like an AJ Smith who has a track record of success.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 1:59 PM

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FreeWanny wrote:
Jschwald wrote:
FreeWanny wrote: 

Nobody said that beat writers don't serve a purpose. When the majority of practices are closed to the public you depend on beat writers for some insight and practice updates.
But none of them  know what's really going on so their opinions are no better than any poster here.

Of course Ireland was far more involved in personnel matters before 2010 and he ain't been so hot after 2010 either.

He needs to go no matter how much Omar Kelly tells us he's staying.

With the exception of one poster on this site and his buddy, Omar Kelly, the consensus about Jeff ireland is universally bad.

If Ireland was fired tomorrow, would you miss him?
To answer your last question - no I wouldn't miss him. And I hope more than ever that we fire him this year so we can hire AJ Smith as our GM, who I think is one of the best talent evaluators there is. But I highly doubt it's happening.

Again, no matter how many times you try to put words in my mouth, I DON'T THINK JEFF IRELAND IS GOOD. I think he is mediocre, which makes sense because our team right now is mediocre. I also think he isn't the biggest problem on Ross's payroll, who is Mike Sherman IMO.

I also believe your hatred of Ireland completely skews your objectivity, and you refuse to admit that while he has been very bad at times, he has also been good at times.

I'm going to give you a challenge: Find 8 teams that had a stronger 2010 draft than us. All you have to do is put us outside of the top 25% of the league.
Finding 8 teams with a stronger draft in 2010 is like arguing that Pouncey and Rashad Jones are the best at their position in the NFL.

Just because you're a good player on a mediocre team doesn't make you the best. We haven't been able to run between the tackles in how long? You just can't blame that on the other 4 guys. Jones had a nice pick 6 that was called back but he has 3 picks for the year so far. He ain't making anyone forget about Ed Reed right now. 

Bess and Hartline as a tandem are probably in the top tier for wide receiver production but are they the best or are they the best of what we have?
Hartline can't break a tackle and Bess can't win a footrace.

With the exception of Brandon Fields (who was not drafted by Jeff Ireland), I don't think we have any player that is the best at his position in the NFL

The GM is in charge of all things related to personnel: free agents, draft picks, etc.
It's a big job.

Here's where we agree: time to fill it with someone like an AJ Smith who has a track record of success.
I was actually using Pro Football Focus's ratings for Jones and Pouncey, not my own objectivism. Upon checking, Pouncey has fallen to #2 for Centers, while Jones remains a head above anybody else. PFF is the major tool I use to evaluate players, their premium stats are really insightful and break down play very well. In almost all cases my eyes agree with their ratings (for the players I watch).

And I don't think it's that hard to objectify drafts: How many players from that draft are making a positive impact on their team? Seattle and Cincinati had great 2010 drafts (those are 2/8 teams right there), their rosters are filled w/ players from these drafts who don't need replacing and who continue to develop.

By this standard, we really had a very good 2010 draft. 2011 less so, and 2012 looks to be more disappointing every day, though it all hinges on Tannehill. If his development stalls it will and should be the end of Ireland, because Martin hasn't been great, Vernon has been inconsistent, Egnew and Miller don't even play, and our 3rd best rookie is Derick Shelby. I'm trying to be objective - while the 2012 draft looks pretty bleak, 2010 looks great right now. Hopefully 2012 will develop, if not Ireland will be ousted.

We do agree on Smith though, his track record with playmakers is great and that is what we need. I just don't think Ross is ready to abandon Jeff yet.

Also, for mlb: I agree Odrick looks like a reach at this point, but I'd like to see him play DT before I label him so. He obviously has the body and skill set to play inside, and I think that it's only fair to evaluate him when he's being played in a correct position. That's why I think it's time to let Starks go.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 2:39 PM

RE: Is it time to play Egnew a few snaps?? 


Prob not a good day to bring out Egnew against 49er D. Jax or Buff game makes more sense.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 4:57 PM

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englishdude wrote:  Fasano has two speeds, slow and stop

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Posted: 12/9/2012 7:01 PM

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Nice TD catch tho.
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