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Jake Long injured again

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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:46 AM

Jake Long injured again 


I love jake long but if he is going to ask for anywhere near 8 million now he has got to go. How many seasons has he actually finished healthy for us? FYI he suffered this same injury before.

Dolphins fear Jake Long out for season

Posted by Josh Alper on December 2, 2012, 6:38 PM EST
Jake Long, Scott Solomon AP

The Dolphins lost left tackle Jake Long in the first quarter of Sunday’s game and they fear they won’t have him back again this year.

That’s the word from both Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald and Jeff Darlington of NFL.com from Miami after the game. Long left with what was called a left triceps injury during the contest and the Dolphins are afraid he’s torn it. He’ll have an MRI on Monday, but Salguero reports that two players and a team official told him that was the working diagnosis. Darlington’s source says that “it doesn’t look good.”

If so, it could have been Long’s final game as a Dolphin. Rookie Jonathan Martin replaced Long on Sunday and would likely remain there if the worst fears are realized. That would give the Dolphins an extended evaluation of Martin’s fitness for the job, something that will come in handy with Long set to become a free agent after the season.

Long’s play hasn’t been met with many positive reviews this year, so a good showing from Martin could lead the Dolphins to go with the cheaper and younger option at left tackle.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:40 AM

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The same type of thing happened with former dominant LT Tony Boselli.  He was a force to be reckoned with and then got plagued with injuries before fading in the sunset.  

At the right price, you have to resign him but I'd be tempted to move Martin over and find another, lower priced RT.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:57 AM

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One thing for sure is Jake Long will get paid. I'm just hoping it is not in Miami. I'm also hoping whoever the GM is can refrain from drafting an OT in the first round. Trading back and getting Justin Allen and using the extra pick to draft Jake Matthews OT from Texas A&M would be ideal IMO.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:02 AM

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I think this Long injury really might be a blessing in disguise. We will have an extended look at Martin as a LT - and not only that but we'll get to see him go against the 49ers and Bills defensive fronts, two of the most talented in the league. If he can do a good job against Aldon and Justin Smith, and follow that up with a solid performance against Buffalo, I think we have to let Jake walk and look to draft an RT.

I was a little surprised by just how much more comfortable Martin looked on the left side, granted the Pats don't have the best DE's in the league, but he really did hold his own for the most part. If he can hold it down, I'd say draft an RT in the 2nd or 3rd and say bye to Jake, thanking him for being one of the one bright spot in these dark years of Dolphins history.

Not to mention, if we do decide to resign Jake, his price tag will have to be significantly lower after another season ending injury.
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Last edited 12/3/2012 7:18 AM by Jschwald

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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:23 AM

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Our O-Line has been in shambles since Wanny's last season.

We've tried to fix it, but so far, no cigar.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:53 AM

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The onus on the offensive line problems has to fall on the small shoulders of Jeff ireland.
Whenthe triumvirate arrived all they did, year after year, was waste money on the OLine.

Probably the worst personnel decisions in the NFL and there are guys still playing and starting for other teams. Donald Thomas, Rex Hadnot, Wade Smith, & Samson Satele.

Maybe it's as others have said, the heat and humidity completely wipes OLineman talent when they play for Miami but our track record is been pretty bad and we had no money to sign a decent OLineman this offseason because we spent it all.

Jake has not been Jake this year because of too many injuries, blocking changes, and a rookie QB with no pocket awarewness.
If Jake stays healthy plays for another team in cooler climes, no one will be surprised if does well. Always a monster in the run game.

 
Martin will start at his natural LT position but he needs to get stronger,
Incognito is a slug, strictly a mauler. Pouncey is good but probably should play guard with his movement skills. Jerry is horrible in the run game. No push and is always on the ground. Garner will play right tackle. Always liked him but he had problems staying healthy kind of a poor man's Long.

I didn't notice a dropoff when Jake left the game. We lost because Tannehill was not sharp and we have no weapons to help out.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:06 AM

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"I didn't notice a dropoff when Jake left the game. We lost because Tannehill was not sharp and we have no weapons to help out." (from Free Wanny). Which is precisely why, now at this point in the season as it now stands, why we should sit Tannehill and start Moore. 1- by increasing Moore's trade value, if we are inclined to trading him. 2- to let Tannehill get some bench riding clipboard holding experience and save him from any unnecessary injury, because if he is the "future" we'll need him healthy and smarter for next season. IMO
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:01 AM

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Moore is a FA after the season, and has no trade value as the deadline is passed. And any experience he would get on the sideline I think pales in significance to that he would gain by playing. You can't hinder his development to keep him from being injured IMO. He's shown he can take a hit and get up, I want to see him finish the season.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:45 PM

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I wanted Matt Ryan with that pick, but was not heartrbroken with the Long selection. I just don't see him coming back. Miami could probably upgrade in the rounds 1-2 and save $10+ million in cap space. I still believe who protects Tannehill is more important right now then who he throws the ball too. LT>>>>>WR
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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:30 PM

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TourDeForce wrote: I wanted Matt Ryan with that pick, but was not heartrbroken with the Long selection. I just don't see him coming back. Miami could probably upgrade in the rounds 1-2 and save $10+ million in cap space. I still believe who protects Tannehill is more important right now then who he throws the ball too. LT>>>>>WR
I disagree. We've gone that O-line route faithfully since 2008 and where has it gotten us??
We have two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd (not mention Incognito was a high pick) on the line and it still sucks. Not to mention the bust draft picks and free agents?? How is selecting Jake Long over Matt Ryan working out for both teams?? They're potential SuperBowl participents and we're still running in circles. This is a scoring league and the Dolphins are whoefully behind the times. Playmakers are the No. 1 need.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:51 PM

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rightNexact wrote:
TourDeForce wrote: I wanted Matt Ryan with that pick, but was not heartrbroken with the Long selection. I just don't see him coming back. Miami could probably upgrade in the rounds 1-2 and save $10+ million in cap space. I still believe who protects Tannehill is more important right now then who he throws the ball too. LT>>>>>WR
I disagree. We've gone that O-line route faithfully since 2008 and where has it gotten us??
We have two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd (not mention Incognito was a high pick) on the line and it still sucks. Not to mention the bust draft picks and free agents?? How is selecting Jake Long over Matt Ryan working out for both teams?? They're potential SuperBowl participents and we're still running in circles. This is a scoring league and the Dolphins are whoefully behind the times. Playmakers are the No. 1 need.

To be fair, the Falcons were nowhere near as bad as the Dolphins were.  They were 3 seasons removed from an 11-5 year and still had a lot of talented players on their team. They had Roddy White, Tony Gonzalez and many others.

It still was a terrible decision to take a LT, especially over Matt Ryan.  It really showed how out of touch and outdated Bill Parcells was with were the game was and was going.

I absolutely agree about adding playmakers.  We can't expect RTH to be successful with the supporting cast we have around him.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:40 PM

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I hope Jake Long stays in Miami, but the highest i would pay him is about 6 or 7 million a season.. He just can't stay healthy and the injuries are taking a toll on him..

He has injured the same triceps twice now, and im concerned with the shape he will be in next season.. He isn't 25 anymore and its obviously going to inhibit his conditioning.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 8:42 AM

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rightNexact wrote:
TourDeForce wrote: I wanted Matt Ryan with that pick, but was not heartrbroken with the Long selection. I just don't see him coming back. Miami could probably upgrade in the rounds 1-2 and save $10+ million in cap space. I still believe who protects Tannehill is more important right now then who he throws the ball too. LT>>>>>WR
I disagree. We've gone that O-line route faithfully since 2008 and where has it gotten us??
We have two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd (not mention Incognito was a high pick) on the line and it still sucks. Not to mention the bust draft picks and free agents?? How is selecting Jake Long over Matt Ryan working out for both teams?? They're potential SuperBowl participents and we're still running in circles. This is a scoring league and the Dolphins are whoefully behind the times. Playmakers are the No. 1 need.
Again, I wanted Ryan with the 1st pick

Don't let past expereiences dictate how you draft. Thats silly. the Packers had Favre near his prime and still took a QB in the 1st round. The Giants drafted DL in the 1st for 3-4 straight years. The Eagles, Raiders, Cowboys and Lions draft "playmakers" in the 1st every single draft and look where that has gotten them. Past experiences mean zilch.

If we do not resign Long and the kid from A&M is there when the 1st pick, I would not be heartbroken if Ireland pulls the trigger.

Looking at some of the more successful teams like the Steelers (draft OL in 1st all the time), Pats (draft OL in the 1st all the time), Packers (never draft WR's and have drafted OL in the 1st), Giants (drafted Willaim Beety in 1st couple years ago) Other then Hakeem Nicks I can't remember any of these teams drafting a "playmaker" in the 1st round.

Now lets look at teams that load up on "playmakers". Cowboys - Romo is getting killed and sucks cause he is running for his life. His protection has broken down, he doesn't trust it and his play has dropped significantly. Cardinals - On their 3rd string QB after the 1st two got destroyed while they were trying to get the ball to one of the most dynamic WR's in the NFL. Whats the point of having Larry Fitzgerald if you can't stay healthy enough to throw it to him?

Lions - Yes, I would take Calvin Johnson if he was available, but again whats the point if your QB is running for his life.

And lastly our beloved Eagles. TWO playmakers drafted in the 1st round, and a franchise 100 million dollar QB sitting on the sidelines with season ending injuries after the spotty OL almost got him killed.

Right now - OL>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>WR

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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:04 AM

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Matt Ryan was really not a slam dunk and at the time there was no rookie cap. I remember both the Rams and Dolphins claimed there were zero offers to trade out of the top two picks so I think other teams doubted Ryan as well. Obviously they were wrong but I understood the thought process at the time.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:22 AM

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birdmond wrote: Matt Ryan was really not a slam dunk and at the time there was no rookie cap. I remember both the Rams and Dolphins claimed there were zero offers to trade out of the top two picks so I think other teams doubted Ryan as well. Obviously they were wrong but I understood the thought process at the time.

If your choices are:

Top 3 talent LT going to receive 45 million contract or
Top 5 talent QB going to receive 50 million contract

That should have been an easy decision.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:46 AM

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I don't think we should resign Long at this point. I also don't think we should/need to take a LT in the first round. Jonathan Martin played his best game of the year once he was moved over. . . he is just obviously much more comfortable on the left side and we should keep him there. If the other OT from A&M falls, Matthews, and we can pick him up in the 2nd I would be very content with that.

I also would like to see how Jerry plays at RT - I remember he did very surprisingly well last year at LT, and is realistically more suited to play tackle in this offense.
I wouldn't be too upset for us to go Martin Incognito Pouncey Samuda Jerry to finish out the season and see what happens.

Anyhow, I think we draft a RT next year, or an RG if Jerry can move outside. LT is not a priority, especially considering how Martin magically goes from being a liability to a solid starter when moved to the blindside.

I think Dallas Johnson from Tennessee is somebody to look for. He can play G or OT, and at 6'5, 310 he is more of an agile, athletic blocker as opposed to a mauler.
Eric Fisher from Central Michigan is another option - I think if Long walks round 2 is when we go O-line. Round 1 should be CB, WR, or DE (if Starks leaves and Odrick moves inside.)
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Last edited 12/4/2012 10:59 AM by Jschwald

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Posted: 12/4/2012 1:40 PM

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Long is starting to remind me of Mark Schlereth.  Great lineman, just starting to be constantly nagged & highly prone to injuries.



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Posted: 12/19/2012 1:34 PM

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birdmond wrote: Matt Ryan was really not a slam dunk and at the time there was no rookie cap. I remember both the Rams and Dolphins claimed there were zero offers to trade out of the top two picks so I think other teams doubted Ryan as well. Obviously they were wrong but I understood the thought process at the time.
Yep, it would've been considered a reach by many to go with Ryan instead of Long. However, as someone who saw all of Matt Ryan's awesomeness at Boston College firsthand, I wanted him. and now that atlanta jettisoned that goober, Mularkey, watch them have some actual success in the playoffs...

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