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Rolando Mclain wants out of oakland

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Posted: 11/29/2012 3:14 AM

Rolando Mclain wants out of oakland 


I like Mclain, Very talented but immature and playing behind a bad Dline, Seymour is over the hill and a 4-3 MLB is only as good as his DT's let him be.. I would love to have Solai and Starks clogging the line letting Mclain have free reign to stuff running backs or pressure the QB. If he gets his head on straight the guy can be a top 10 ILB.

Officially still a Raider, Rolando McClain says he’s done in Oakland

Posted by Michael David Smith on November 28, 2012, 7:41 PM EST
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Officially, Rolando McClain is still a member of the Oakland Raiders. But after he missed practice today for reasons that weren’t fully explained, McClain wrote on Facebook that he’s done in Oakland.

McClain later deleted his Facebook updates, but for a time on Wednesday afternoon he had posted messages including “Officially no longer an Oakland Raider!!” and “I’d like to be anywhere besides here.”

It is not correct for McClain to say that he is officially no longer a Raider — he hasn’t been placed on waivers, which is what the Raiders would have to do if they wanted to get rid of him. It is possible that someone on the Raiders’ coaching staff or in the front office told McClain they’re getting rid of him, although the team has made no public statements indicating such a move, and McClain’s agent Pat Dye told Mike Garafolo of USA Today, “I have not been notified of any change in his status.”

McClain has been a starter in Oakland since the Raiders took him with the eighth overall pick in the 2010 NFL draft. Off the field, McClain recently got some good news when gun charges were dropped against him. On the field, McClain’s poor play has been one of the reasons the Raiders have one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 6:25 AM

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Posted: 11/29/2012 7:35 AM

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I love McClain, but if he quit before the season is over, that raises a lot of question marks.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 8:34 AM

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DolphinFanCA wrote: I love McClain, but if he quit before the season is over, that raises a lot of question marks.

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Plus good or great MLB should make players around him better not the other way around

Plus the Phins have a pretty good MLB, though maybe getting paid more then his production on the field, we may never really know the value of a player in the locker room and in the huddle.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 8:46 AM

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Keeping in mind the kind of character guys Philbin is looking for, let's take a look at McClain versus our current ILB.

McClain: Quits on a team with a losing record. Has faced assault charges.

Dansby: Plays through a torn bicep on a 4 win team, still believes he can lead them to the playoffs. Emotional leader of our defense. No criminal history. And still under contract.

It's an easy choice for me, no thanks.
Somebody gave me a Hickey.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 10:42 AM

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Jschwald wrote: Keeping in mind the kind of character guys Philbin is looking for, let's take a look at McClain versus our current ILB.

McClain: Quits on a team with a losing record. Has faced assault charges.

Dansby: Plays through a torn bicep on a 4 win team, still believes he can lead them to the playoffs. Emotional leader of our defense. No criminal history. And still under contract.

It's an easy choice for me, no thanks.
Dansby over McClain is an easy choice to me.  That doesn't mean that McClain can't have other roles though.

As the story develops, it seems like maybe he was cut.   Perhaps we shouldn't say he "quit" on the team.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 10:56 AM

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I know this will sound lame but I would take Crowder back at least he doesn't give up plus He makes me laugh. if Mclain can step up and not be a headache I would be ok with that too.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:02 AM

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DolphinFanCA wrote: 

Dansby over McClain is an easy choice to me.  That doesn't mean that McClain can't have other roles though.

As the story develops, it seems like maybe he was cut.   Perhaps we shouldn't say he "quit" on the team.
True on the quitting aspect, but e was kicked out of a practice Wednesday, then took to Facebook saying he was done as a Raider, and he would like to be "anywhere else". He might not have quit, but clearly there has been some sort of riff that wasn't football related, and that raises red flags. And I don't think he would be content to come here and serve in a backup or special teams role.
Somebody gave me a Hickey.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:55 AM

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There are a couple things to think about. Sometimes players need new situations. Sometimes better coaches can improve a player's off the field issues. I don't think anyone will deny that Oakland is a terrible on and off the field team. NE is a prime example of an organization that has a habit of straightening out poor-character issues.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 2:47 PM

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DolphinFanCA wrote: There are a couple things to think about. Sometimes players need new situations. Sometimes better coaches can improve a player's off the field issues. I don't think anyone will deny that Oakland is a terrible on and off the field team. NE is a prime example of an organization that has a habit of straightening out poor-character issues.
Oakland is Terrible, but McLain is also wretched himself.  It's not just his off-field issues, it's his lack of performance on the field.  He misses assignments, doesn't shed blockers, doesn't hustle on every play, has poor work and film room ethic, and isn't an effective gap filler.  He came out with a lot of praise from Alabama, but he hasn't lived up to any of it.  This, I think, is a case of a player in college who was elevated by the talent around him rather than him elevating the talent around him.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 3:06 PM

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I think the culture in Oakland is bad for this guy, If he starts again somewhere else i would wager he ends up with a strong career.. I see him as one of those guys who needs to get a reality check,  I think this will motivate him and i see him having a solid career he certainly has the talent.

My thing with dansby is his age (32 next year) and He is going to be the highest salary player on the books next season (12 million) . Ive said it before with Joey Porter coming off his 17 sack season.. Sell high! The guy is having a solid year and if we can sign Mclain and trade dansby for draft picks that would be ideal.. Without a doubt the guy has talent and i think playing behind solai and starks would allow him to flourish as a MLB. 

you guys seem to forget ZT played most his career behind Bowens and Gardener who were very important in occupying 3 linemen and opening it up for zach to hawk down ball carriers. I in no way believe MLB's help DT's that is ridiculous, DT's jobs are simple push the oline back and force double teams to allow the LB's to snake through to the Quarterback or Runningback.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 3:24 PM

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Gonz, I agree with the fact that DT's can make the life of a MLB much easier.  Those space eaters open things up for a guy to get in and make plays. Thing is, whenever I watch an Oakland game, I don't see this guy make ANY plays.  He's constantly snuffed out and blocked out the the way.  His on field performance has been underwhelming and his off field antics are disturbing.  He's not acting like a criminal or anything, but he IS acting like a child and looks to be someone who doesn't put a lot of effort into training or film study.  That concerns me more than anything.
Gonzorot wrote: I think the culture in Oakland is bad for this guy, If he starts again somewhere else i would wager he ends up with a strong career.. I see him as one of those guys who needs to get a reality check,  I think this will motivate him and i see him having a solid career he certainly has the talent.

My thing with dansby is his age (32 next year) and He is going to be the highest salary player on the books next season (12 million) . Ive said it before with Joey Porter coming off his 17 sack season.. Sell high! The guy is having a solid year and if we can sign Mclain and trade dansby for draft picks that would be ideal.. Without a doubt the guy has talent and i think playing behind solai and starks would allow him to flourish as a MLB. 

you guys seem to forget ZT played most his career behind Bowens and Gardener who were very important in occupying 3 linemen and opening it up for zach to hawk down ball carriers. I in no way believe MLB's help DT's that is ridiculous, DT's jobs are simple push the oline back and force double teams to allow the LB's to snake through to the Quarterback or Runningback.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 2:07 PM

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DolphinFanCA wrote: NE is a prime example of an organization that has a habit of straightening out poor-character issues.
With the exception of Fat Al Hayensworthless devil
Randy Moss turned sour & didn't "feel appreciated" rolleyes
And they couldn't fix stupid w/Chad Johnson biggrin

McClain suspended:

Oakland Raiders middle linebacker Rolando McClain has been suspended two games, starting with this Sunday's matchup with the Cleveland Browns for conduct detrimental to the team. Reports were flowing Wednesday that McClain would be given his outright release from the team.


However, it appears as though Raider GM Reggie McKenzie did not want to reward bad behavior with free game checks. So this is the compromise for McClain's heated argument with head coach Dennis Allen. And while this type of thing would never have happened under the late Al Davis, I have to say that it does not go far enough.

McClain should have been suspended the remainder of the season if the issue was the remainder of his salary for 2012 (approximately $300,000). His attitude, the comments posted on his Facebook about the organization, and worst of all, his inconsistent play should have dictated cutting ties directly from the team once and for all.

Instead, the Raiders go halfway and will likely have McClain active for the final three games...
the only thing worse than being unproductive is being unprofessional. McClain has been both and in spades.  And even if he was a bit more productive, to speak so ill of an organization that did allow you to return after a self-inflicted brush with the law shows a lack of maturity, respect and self-awareness—all traits you need from a leader.

While I can't predict whether or not we will see him play another down in Silver and Black, let me go on record as saying it should not be a question.

Allen and McKenzie should have made a clear statement about who is in charge in Oakland now and booted number 55 clear back to Mobile. You see, this is not just about the tipping point Wednesday. This is about nearly three years of sullen treatment to the media, three years of less than stellar play, and about a year of off-the-field trouble stemming from the alleged use of a gun.

Is this really the guy you want as the anchor of your football team?

All I keep thinking about is all of the praise McClain had for being a film rat and a student of the game under Nick Saban at the University of Alabama.

I guess those qualities ceased to exist when the game was officially for pay.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 5:10 PM

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Funny Story bout Crowder via Zach Thomas on the radio show about a month ago, said crowder would regularly pee his pants in the middle of the games

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Posted: 12/3/2012 4:22 PM

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You must have missed the part where he held a gun to a mans head and after threatening him for a while, pointed the gun away, and fired. He was arrested and smiled for the camera while be loaded into the police car.

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LINK - Picture of arrest

He's a PoS on and off the field, I hope he never plays another down.
DantesDolfanInferno wrote: Gonz, I agree with the fact that DT's can make the life of a MLB much easier.  Those space eaters open things up for a guy to get in and make plays. Thing is, whenever I watch an Oakland game, I don't see this guy make ANY plays.  He's constantly snuffed out and blocked out the the way.  His on field performance has been underwhelming and his off field antics are disturbing.  He's not acting like a criminal or anything, but he IS acting like a child and looks to be someone who doesn't put a lot of effort into training or film study.  That concerns me more than anything.
Gonzorot wrote: I think the culture in Oakland is bad for this guy, If he starts again somewhere else i would wager he ends up with a strong career.. I see him as one of those guys who needs to get a reality check,  I think this will motivate him and i see him having a solid career he certainly has the talent.

My thing with dansby is his age (32 next year) and He is going to be the highest salary player on the books next season (12 million) . Ive said it before with Joey Porter coming off his 17 sack season.. Sell high! The guy is having a solid year and if we can sign Mclain and trade dansby for draft picks that would be ideal.. Without a doubt the guy has talent and i think playing behind solai and starks would allow him to flourish as a MLB. 

you guys seem to forget ZT played most his career behind Bowens and Gardener who were very important in occupying 3 linemen and opening it up for zach to hawk down ball carriers. I in no way believe MLB's help DT's that is ridiculous, DT's jobs are simple push the oline back and force double teams to allow the LB's to snake through to the Quarterback or Runningback.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:53 PM

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See I hadn't heard the particulars of what happened w/his arrest.....but wow.  Not good disbelief
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Posted: 12/6/2012 1:46 PM

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We pay Dansby alot of money but to be quite honest he is a better all around linebacker than anyone I can think of who played for the Dolphins. No his not better than ZT at stopping the run but he's 10x better in pass coverage and slightly behind in run stopping. Guy's hurt and still playing speaks volumes to me....he's a keeper, he's and exceptionally good all around LB...even if he is slightly over payed
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Posted: 12/6/2012 3:07 PM

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dougb123 wrote: We pay Dansby alot of money but to be quite honest he is a better all around linebacker than anyone I can think of who played for the Dolphins. No his not better than ZT at stopping the run but he's 10x better in pass coverage and slightly behind in run stopping. Guy's hurt and still playing speaks volumes to me....he's a keeper, he's and exceptionally good all around LB...even if he is slightly over payed
That is absolutey hilarious how you figure dansby is better in coverage then ZT who had 17 career interceptions with the dolphins.. Do you know how many Int's dansby has in 3 years.. 1 interception while partaking in the 25th ranked passing defense this season..

ZT was the  center man in a defense that was perennially top 10 for his entire career. If he was such a sieve in pass defense since ive shown you facts why dansby is not very good.. I don't see how this defense survived all those years with crappy ZT in coverage.. Give me a break man when you make statments like that it just insults our intelligence.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 5:57 PM

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I just see all the passes he knocks down. If that insults your intelligence so be it.....I stand by that statment and yes I liked Thomas very much. Once heard Elway say on TV or Radio can't remember that Thomas hit him so hard it kind of made it a little easier to retire...

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Posted: 12/8/2012 10:52 PM

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Gonzorot wrote:
dougb123 wrote: We pay Dansby alot of money but to be quite honest he is a better all around linebacker than anyone I can think of who played for the Dolphins. No his not better than ZT at stopping the run but he's 10x better in pass coverage and slightly behind in run stopping. Guy's hurt and still playing speaks volumes to me....he's a keeper, he's and exceptionally good all around LB...even if he is slightly over payed
That is absolutey hilarious how you figure dansby is better in coverage then ZT who had 17 career interceptions with the dolphins.. Do you know how many Int's dansby has in 3 years.. 1 interception while partaking in the 25th ranked passing defense this season..

ZT was the  center man in a defense that was perennially top 10 for his entire career. If he was such a sieve in pass defense since ive shown you facts why dansby is not very good.. I don't see how this defense survived all those years with crappy ZT in coverage.. Give me a break man when you make statments like that it just insults our intelligence.
Exactly, what a ridiculous statement.Thomas > Dansby in every way. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't mean your opinion can't be egregiously wrong. BTW, pass on prisoner-in-waiting McClain.

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