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Did Miami draft the wrong QB?

Posted: 11/25/2012 3:18 PM

Did Miami draft the wrong QB? 


I like Russell Wilsons game alot. Drafted in the 3rd round this year, he also has 17 TD's on the year, and has a pocket presence that knows when to avoid the rush. Wilson also throws great on the run. Not really seeing Tannehill's strengths yet. Though clearly Wilsons' WRs are better than Miami's.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 3:30 PM

Re: Did Miami draft the wrong QB? 


bangheadbangheadbangheadbanghead

What about redskins?  Are they sitting there saying? We traded away the kitchen sink when we could have gotten this Wilson kid in the 3rd round?

The entire Seattle Offense is better than Miami's.  Better RBs, better WRs.  Give us a couple years to develop a system and get some talent in here.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 3:48 PM

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bangheadbangheadbangheadbanghead

What about redskins?  Are they sitting there saying? We traded away the kitchen sink when we could have gotten this Wilson kid in the 3rd round?

The entire Seattle Offense is better than Miami's.  Better RBs, better WRs.  Give us a couple years to develop a system and get some talent in here.

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Uhhhh RGIII has better numbers than Wilson so I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 4:19 PM

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birdmond wrote:

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bangheadbangheadbangheadbanghead

What about redskins?  Are they sitting there saying? We traded away the kitchen sink when we could have gotten this Wilson kid in the 3rd round?

The entire Seattle Offense is better than Miami's.  Better RBs, better WRs.  Give us a couple years to develop a system and get some talent in here.

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Uhhhh RGIII has better numbers than Wilson so I have no idea what you are talking about.
RGIII Does not have better numbers that Wilson + 2 more first round draft picks + a second round draft pick.  It's called opportunity cost.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 4:21 PM

RE: Did Miami draft the wrong QB? 


A bit of a reactionary thread here. Tannehill redeemed himself and today made the throws neccesary to win.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 4:36 PM

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Exactly.....
I'm kinda glad we've got who we've got, right now noidea

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Posted: 11/25/2012 4:38 PM

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birdmond wrote:

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bangheadbangheadbangheadbanghead

What about redskins?  Are they sitting there saying? We traded away the kitchen sink when we could have gotten this Wilson kid in the 3rd round?

The entire Seattle Offense is better than Miami's.  Better RBs, better WRs.  Give us a couple years to develop a system and get some talent in here.

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Uhhhh RGIII has better numbers than Wilson so I have no idea what you are talking about.
RGIII Does not have better numbers that Wilson + 2 more first round draft picks + a second round draft pick.  It's called opportunity cost.

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Yeah I think he does actually. Comparing Tannehill and Wilson is fair. Comparing any rookie to RGIII is not because of the marketing phenomenon that is RGIII.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 4:57 PM

Re: Did Miami draft the wrong QB? 



DolphinFanCA wrote:
birdmond wrote:

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bangheadbangheadbangheadbanghead

What about redskins?  Are they sitting there saying? We traded away the kitchen sink when we could have gotten this Wilson kid in the 3rd round?

The entire Seattle Offense is better than Miami's.  Better RBs, better WRs.  Give us a couple years to develop a system and get some talent in here.

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Uhhhh RGIII has better numbers than Wilson so I have no idea what you are talking about.
RGIII Does not have better numbers that Wilson + 2 more first round draft picks + a second round draft pick.  It's called opportunity cost.


What tha heck, just for fun.....

Putting in today's numbers:
RGIII:   2,504 yds passing, 642 rushing, 16TDs passing, 6TDs rushing, 4INTs, 104.6 rating, 67.5% completion rate
Wilson: 2,051 yds passing, 217 rushing, 17TDspassing, 0TDs rushing, 8INTs,  92.6 rating, 65.9% completion rate

So RGIII has gained 878 more yards than Wilson and is ahead in every category except one less passing TD but overall 5 more TDs.

This is all futile, tho.
We have what we have & he needs time.  That's the bottom line.

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Posted: 11/25/2012 5:25 PM

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MrsMD22 wrote:

So RGIII has gained 878 more yards than Wilson and is ahead in every category except one less passing TD but overall 5 more TDs.


We all know Wilson only has 16 (real) TD passestongue





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Posted: 11/25/2012 6:18 PM

RE: Did Miami draft the wrong QB? 


Tannehill is fine. I still don't like the fact that Wilson is that short and Tannehill has no weapons. All that being said I would have gave up whatever it took to get RG3. Marketing my ass. This kid is sensational and may be the MVP of the League. I could easily sit through a couple of crap seasons to watch the kid until we could replenish our picks again.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 6:20 PM

RE: Did Miami draft the wrong QB? 


To answer, in short, the question posed by the forum topic:
Nope.
Somebody gave me a Hickey.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 6:38 PM

Re: Did Miami draft the wrong QB? 



MrsMD22 wrote:
DolphinFanCA wrote:
birdmond wrote:

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--- DolphinFanCA wrote:

bangheadbangheadbangheadbanghead

What about redskins?  Are they sitting there saying? We traded away the kitchen sink when we could have gotten this Wilson kid in the 3rd round?

The entire Seattle Offense is better than Miami's.  Better RBs, better WRs.  Give us a couple years to develop a system and get some talent in here.

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Uhhhh RGIII has better numbers than Wilson so I have no idea what you are talking about.
RGIII Does not have better numbers that Wilson + 2 more first round draft picks + a second round draft pick.  It's called opportunity cost.


What tha heck, just for fun.....

Putting in today's numbers:
RGIII:   2,504 yds passing, 642 rushing, 16TDs passing, 6TDs rushing, 4INTs, 104.6 rating, 67.5% completion rate
Wilson: 2,051 yds passing, 217 rushing, 17TDspassing, 0TDs rushing, 8INTs,  92.6 rating, 65.9% completion rate

So RGIII has gained 878 more yards than Wilson and is ahead in every category except one less passing TD but overall 5 more TDs.

This is all futile, tho.
We have what we have & he needs time.  That's the bottom line.
Yeah we have what we have. But personally i wanted Kaepernick in the 1st last year but oh well.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:50 PM

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Who did we miss at 8 that we should have taken instead of Tannehill?

If you can't move up or down, you take the player you want.

If given time, Tannehill's solid. He's got a strong arm and generally makes good decisions. 
He's not as fast, maneuverable, and fearless as Wilson and was outplayed most of the game but when it got to crunchtime (he's alleged weakness), Tanny delivered and won the final quarterback battle
That's all that counts.

All Tannehill needs to understand is that it's OK to take off run and be decisive about it.
It's a huge benefit to a team without speed receivers.

Statistically, Wilson was close to QB perfection in college but simply was passed over by a bunch of teams because he's 5'10".

Would, coulda, shoulda can be done for the rest of our draft picks.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:16 PM

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Look i was proposing trading the kitchen sink to get RG3 but the bottom line and no matter how much we complain or moan..

We went cheap and considering the reach it was for tannenhill he is performing admirably, God i am pissed off a little though about Chad Henne whom i thought we should have resigned and then traded away Matt Moore or let him walk.I think without the sparano garbage offensive system and some real receiving weapons in jacksonville he looks like he may end up having a stellar career as a starter.

We could have worse then Tannenhill who has done alot with nothing so there is that.. Good game for the rookie today.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 1:28 AM

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Tannehill is fine. I still don't like the fact that Wilson is that short and Tannehill has no weapons. All that being said I would have gave up whatever it took to get RG3. Marketing my ass. This kid is sensational and may be the MVP of the League. I could easily sit through a couple of crap seasons to watch the kid until we could replenish our picks again.

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Is RG3 team winning record better than Tannehill's? ..if not How come? RG3 has better offensive talent and yet his team winning record is the same as Tannehill's team. RG3 is the Michael Vick type who looks excellent in one game and is average for the next 3 and never wins anything important.

I am glad that Washington got him.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 3:27 AM

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Gonzorot wrote: Look i was proposing trading the kitchen sink to get RG3 but the bottom line and no matter how much we complain or moan..

We went cheap and considering the reach it was for tannenhill he is performing admirably, God i am pissed off a little though about Chad Henne whom i thought we should have resigned and then traded away Matt Moore or let him walk.I think without the sparano garbage offensive system and some real receiving weapons in jacksonville he looks like he may end up having a stellar career as a starter.

We could have worse then Tannenhill who has done alot with nothing so there is that.. Good game for the rookie today.
 I always thought that about Henne, the Sparano play calling killed him here. He is a good QB, but he'll never be elite. I would take RTH over him and glad we drafted him despite my misgivings on him during the draft. He has showed alot for what he was suppose to be when he came here.(Next part is for the negative Nancy's)  Pretty damn good for a  Raw QB sitting on our bench waiting and learning. What? wait he's 4-6  as a starter w/ no #1 wr??? and a running game that has disappeared in the last 4+ weeks???  I can think of a few teams who wished they had this problem w/ a rookie @ QB. As for Luck and RGIII well there is a reason why they went 1 and 2 no questions asked so I'm not even worried about that comparison.Is Wilson going to be Elite? I don't think so. Half way through next season if that he will be done as a starter for the Craphawks. He is a product of a strong run game nothing more, nothing less.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 7:11 PM

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Tannehill is fine. I still don't like the fact that Wilson is that short and Tannehill has no weapons. All that being said I would have gave up whatever it took to get RG3. Marketing my ass. This kid is sensational and may be the MVP of the League. I could easily sit through a couple of crap seasons to watch the kid until we could replenish our picks again.

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Is RG3 team winning record better than Tannehill's? ..if not How come? RG3 has better offensive talent and yet his team winning record is the same as Tannehill's team. RG3 is the Michael Vick type who looks excellent in one game and is average for the next 3 and never wins anything important.

I am glad that Washington got him.
So you are judging wins and losses as the measuring stick? Maybe Washington plays in the NFC instead of the weak ass AFC. Have you seen the stats?

RG3 has superior talent? BS! He has a over the hill midget in Moss, has not had Garcon since week 1, his TE has been gone for 6 weeks and he has a RB named Morris.
Tannehill does not have much but Bess and Hartline are every bit as good and as bad as Fasano is he is better than some guy named Paulson! I also think Bush is little more highly thought of than Morris.

Look I like a good debate but please bring something substantial to the conversation. To say RG3 is another Vick is an uninformed statemant and reeks of stereotype. RG3 is a much more polished passer. Vick only stays in the pocket because the system dictates it, he is a runner first.

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Posted: 11/26/2012 7:54 PM

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RGIII is, quite simply, a phenom. His tangibles are incredible - maybe he could use a slight accuracy boost in the short-medium game, but his deep ball is amazing. His elusiveness and speed go without saying. And his poise and leadership is obvious - he has taken over that team and done wonders with it already.

I'm not lamenting that we didn't trade the farm to get him - remember we would've had to given up significantly more than the Skins did, as they had the #4 pick as opposed to our #8. And if he was anything less than stellar, we would be in a 2-3 year hole. And hindsight is 20-20. But he looks like one of the top quarterbacks in the league, not just rookies. In terms of passer rating he is: #4 in qb rating, #4 in PFF qb rating, and #5 in espn's total qbr. His winning percentage may be lower, but he's had a tougher schedule and has a lesser defense (though I do believe his weapons are better, particularly if playcalling is a weapon).

However, there's no point in comparing him to Tannehill, and though it would be great to have seen him in Miami I am perfectly happy. Because the guy we got at #8 looks like he can be a franchise qb too, so let's get behind him and stop playing could've-should've-would've.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 10:37 PM

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TheNewJen wrote:

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Tannehill is fine. I still don't like the fact that Wilson is that short and Tannehill has no weapons. All that being said I would have gave up whatever it took to get RG3. Marketing my ass. This kid is sensational and may be the MVP of the League. I could easily sit through a couple of crap seasons to watch the kid until we could replenish our picks again.

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Is RG3 team winning record better than Tannehill's? ..if not How come? RG3 has better offensive talent and yet his team winning record is the same as Tannehill's team. RG3 is the Michael Vick type who looks excellent in one game and is average for the next 3 and never wins anything important.

I am glad that Washington got him.
So you are judging wins and losses as the measuring stick? Maybe Washington plays in the NFC instead of the weak ass AFC. Have you seen the stats?

RG3 has superior talent? BS! He has a over the hill midget in Moss, has not had Garcon since week 1, his TE has been gone for 6 weeks and he has a RB named Morris.
Tannehill does not have much but Bess and Hartline are every bit as good and as bad as Fasano is he is better than some guy named Paulson! I also think Bush is little more highly thought of than Morris.

Look I like a good debate but please bring something substantial to the conversation. To say RG3 is another Vick is an uninformed statemant and reeks of stereotype. RG3 is a much more polished passer. Vick only stays in the pocket because the system dictates it, he is a runner first.

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I am not using wins and losses as a measuring stick. The point is that the end RESULT is the same at this point and the dolphins did not have to give all draft picks through "2050" like many fans wanted.

Comparing the offensive talent of the redskins to the dolphins is well..."uninformed". Moss and Garçon have made a living as play makers and a deep threats..on the other hand Bess has been a good slot receiver and Heartline a very serviceable One. So I would not call your opinion that the dolphins have equal or better offensive talent than Washington a "substantial" contribution.

I compared RG3 to Vick because they are the same type....whether you think I am stereotyping or not that is just your opinion. If you think that RG3 is not a running first QB then look at his attempts which is 99...ONLY 51 less than our own Reggie Bush and half of Alfred Morris. RG3 is exciting because he can run and evade tacklers and will throw some "wow" passes but that's IT. He will look unstoppable in some games but then average in the next few..and then exciting again...i have seen this movie before. So personally, I am glad that Washington were crazy enough to give all they gave to get him.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 10:57 PM

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TheNewJen wrote:

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TheNewJen wrote:

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Tannehill is fine. I still don't like the fact that Wilson is that short and Tannehill has no weapons. All that being said I would have gave up whatever it took to get RG3. Marketing my ass. This kid is sensational and may be the MVP of the League. I could easily sit through a couple of crap seasons to watch the kid until we could replenish our picks again.

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Is RG3 team winning record better than Tannehill's? ..if not How come? RG3 has better offensive talent and yet his team winning record is the same as Tannehill's team. RG3 is the Michael Vick type who looks excellent in one game and is average for the next 3 and never wins anything important.

I am glad that Washington got him.
So you are judging wins and losses as the measuring stick? Maybe Washington plays in the NFC instead of the weak ass AFC. Have you seen the stats?

RG3 has superior talent? BS! He has a over the hill midget in Moss, has not had Garcon since week 1, his TE has been gone for 6 weeks and he has a RB named Morris.
Tannehill does not have much but Bess and Hartline are every bit as good and as bad as Fasano is he is better than some guy named Paulson! I also think Bush is little more highly thought of than Morris.

Look I like a good debate but please bring something substantial to the conversation. To say RG3 is another Vick is an uninformed statemant and reeks of stereotype. RG3 is a much more polished passer. Vick only stays in the pocket because the system dictates it, he is a runner first.

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I am not using wins and losses as a measuring stick. The point is that the end RESULT is the same at this point and the dolphins did not have to give all draft picks through "2050" like many fans wanted.

Comparing the offensive talent of the redskins to the dolphins is well..."uninformed". Moss and Garçon have made a living as play makers and a deep threats..on the other hand Bess has been a good slot receiver and Heartline a very serviceable One. So I would not call your opinion that the dolphins have equal or better offensive talent than Washington a "substantial" contribution.

I compared RG3 to Vick because they are the same type....whether you think I am stereotyping or not that is just your opinion. If you think that RG3 is not a running first QB then look at his attempts which is 99...ONLY 51 less than our own Reggie Bush and half of Alfred Morris. RG3 is exciting because he can run and evade tacklers and will throw some "wow" passes but that's IT. He will look unstoppable in some games but then average in the next few..and then exciting again...i have seen this movie before. So personally, I am glad that Washington were crazy enough to give all they gave to get him.

I completely agree with you Jen.  There's only one QB I would have traded the bank for and Indy wasn't going to give him up.
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