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Tannehill and Philbin

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Posted: 11/15/2012 11:53 PM

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I have seen enough already to say we SUCK........Same problems different year. Sorry folks, Tannehill isn't the answer. He is an average QB not the Andrew Luck we need. Joe Philbin you really don't inspire me or your team. Losing to the worst defenses in the league Tenn and Buffalo. How inept is our offense? Really this is pathetic. Ireland needs to go! He and Ross have destroyed this franchise. There really is NO HOPE........Tannehill showed his stuff tonight two picks in crucial situations. O Yeah he is going to make us forget Marino......O make me puke.

Sick of this losing and medicore crap year after year............bangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbanghead
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Posted: 11/16/2012 1:07 AM

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ME TOO +1. I agree, glad someone else said it. And since it seems that it's becoming the consensus on our team and it's mismanagement, let's now focus and have a discussion on the remaining 6 games. Who do you think we can beat?
I say that even though we have a sparse fan base present at the home games, at least we have a better chance to win at home. Which ones? IDK.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 2:02 AM

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Hey guys....Charger fan here, but like the Fins.

Slow down on Tannehill. He's good....He's just young, inexperienced, and has no weapons. Play calling tonight though was horrible.

Give Tannehill another season, get some real WR weapons, and he'll turn it around. Reggie Bush should not be starting....He should be a 3rd down back that you want to get out in open space.

But trust me here, I follow the Fins, there is going to be growing pains, and now there is a tape on Tannehill, and all the teams have it....they have figured him out, it's up to his coach and him to figure a way to get around it now. Good luck!

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Posted: 11/16/2012 6:23 AM

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Here we go again the sky is falling! It's the first season for both these guys and you can already tell the future of both of these guys? This is why I hate us starting out the door strong because it coversup a lot of the truths about this team and many of you start buying into it only to make posts like this half through the season. We are a bottom level talent team right now with a few gems! I know everyone hates this but give it time, no one is going to turn it around in one year. Please stop comparing Tannehill to Luck, Tannehill has no where near the experience Luck has. Also if you don't think Reggie Wayne doesn't have a lot to do with Lucks success you are fooling yourself. Look at the stats of how many times he is targeted compared to everyone else on that team. To have a seasoned reliable vet helps a lot. Not taking away from Luck cause he is an awesome qb but take Reggie away and I don't think Luck is quite having the season he is. I am not saying Tannehill is the savior but for someone who had limited starts in college and wasn't even supposed to be a starter this season til Garrard got hurt, give him another season atleast until you say he isn't the answer.

As far as play calling goes it sucked last night and that is on the coaches.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 7:36 AM

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I understand this is a new regime, and this is what was expected. Somehow we managed to win a few games, false hope AGAIN! But yes, as far as this team goes the sky is falling. There is not one single unit of strength on this team. The D line has had its moments. You would need 40 draft picks & could not miss on any of them to plug all the holes. 3 decades is long enough of being patient with this organization. Forget super bowls, playoffs, all of it, never gonna happen. Can't we somehow Atleast get back to the that team that's 8-7 after 15 games, and "can still make the playoffs" if they win their final game & 5 other teams lose?? Is that too much to ask? C'mon man!!!! We are put of it by week 8 every year. Oh who am I kidding, we are already out of the 2013 playoff race. Same thing every year, will never change!!
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Posted: 11/16/2012 8:59 AM

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I'm not giving up on Tannehill but it rarely works out when you draft a QB who really did nothing special in college and then you expect him to do something special in the NFL.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:16 AM

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Chargerhonk wrote: Hey guys....Charger fan here, but like the Fins.

Slow down on Tannehill. He's good....He's just young, inexperienced, and has no weapons. Play calling tonight though was horrible.

Give Tannehill another season, get some real WR weapons, and he'll turn it around. Reggie Bush should not be starting....He should be a 3rd down back that you want to get out in open space.

But trust me here, I follow the Fins, there is going to be growing pains, and now there is a tape on Tannehill, and all the teams have it....they have figured him out, it's up to his coach and him to figure a way to get around it now. Good luck!
Welcome Chargerhonk, great sig picture. When Tannehill gets weapons I agree. I just wish he wouldn't try to force a pass in to coverage resulting in an int, saw it this game and against Tenn. Agree on Bush, although I've lost confidence in him juking and jiving instead of running north. You could make the case for the Oline not opening up lanes for him. He's a monster when gets past the first line and makes people miss, but since the injury he has become ineffective. Growing pains have become the norm in Miami for over a decade. And the coaching revolving door has looked like a roulette wheel with us on the short losing end.
The only two things that appear to have happened that could be the reason for the loses after the early success are the injuries to Bush and Tannehill. Where did the formula for success go.  I say that Tannehill doesn't seem to feel it and looks like he isn't 100%. Moore could maybe spark enthusiasm and let Tannehill re earn the spot while getting back to 100%.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:49 AM

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ColsSJD wrote: I have seen enough already to say we SUCK........Same problems different year. Sorry folks, Tannehill isn't the answer. He is an average QB not the Andrew Luck we need. Joe Philbin you really don't inspire me or your team. Losing to the worst defenses in the league Tenn and Buffalo. How inept is our offense? Really this is pathetic. Ireland needs to go! He and Ross have destroyed this franchise. There really is NO HOPE........Tannehill showed his stuff tonight two picks in crucial situations. O Yeah he is going to make us forget Marino......O make me puke.

Sick of this losing and medicore crap year after year............bangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbangheadbanghead
Ok what if Luck was on our team? Do you think with the receivers we have he would be having greater success than Tannehill? Nope not even close. IF Tannehill had a veteran WR like Reggie Wayne he'd be all set. Don't blame this on him. The blame goes to the owner and our moronic GM.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 1:32 PM

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They should have went with Matt Moore this year instead of Tannehill if they didnt have WR or TE that could make plays for him. Its possible he could finish the year with 10 or less TD passes, which is dreadful in the new QB friendly NFL. This franchise just no longer has an identity or something they can rely on to win games for them. Bush might have been able to win some games before his injury, but he is a different player now, and the offense has become zero dimensional.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 1:42 PM

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It is in my best interest to avoid to comment in this thread. Good post from the Chargers fan, I think some of our posters needed to hear an outsiders point of view on RTH. So I thank you kind sir for that.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 3:39 PM

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Chargerhonk wrote: Hey guys....Charger fan here, but like the Fins.

Slow down on Tannehill. He's good....He's just young, inexperienced, and has no weapons. Play calling tonight though was horrible.

Give Tannehill another season, get some real WR weapons, and he'll turn it around. Reggie Bush should not be starting....He should be a 3rd down back that you want to get out in open space.

But trust me here, I follow the Fins, there is going to be growing pains, and now there is a tape on Tannehill, and all the teams have it....they have figured him out, it's up to his coach and him to figure a way to get around it now. Good luck!
This....

Take a look around the league the past couple years.  QB's need weapons.  Carson Palmer looks terrible now, but he looked great throwing to TJ Housh and CJ in their prime.  Phillip Rivers without VJ and LT isn't anywhere near the same, heck, look what Randy Moss did for Dante Cullpepper. 

We have... nobody.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 5:58 PM

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DolphinFanCA wrote:
Chargerhonk wrote: Hey guys....Charger fan here, but like the Fins.

Slow down on Tannehill. He's good....He's just young, inexperienced, and has no weapons. Play calling tonight though was horrible.

Give Tannehill another season, get some real WR weapons, and he'll turn it around. Reggie Bush should not be starting....He should be a 3rd down back that you want to get out in open space.

But trust me here, I follow the Fins, there is going to be growing pains, and now there is a tape on Tannehill, and all the teams have it....they have figured him out, it's up to his coach and him to figure a way to get around it now. Good luck!
This....

Take a look around the league the past couple years.  QB's need weapons.  Carson Palmer looks terrible now, but he looked great throwing to TJ Housh and CJ in their prime.  Phillip Rivers without VJ and LT isn't anywhere near the same, heck, look what Randy Moss did for Dante Cullpepper. 

We have... nobody.
And This...

Lets get him some weapons to throw to and see what happens. If we keep on this pace, we will have a shot at the best WR in the draft.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 6:28 PM

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I really like our Coach and feel for Tannehill. Our GM is our problem. We have a bad secondary, receivers that get no seperation and a mediocre OLine.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 9:42 PM

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You've summed it up succinctly. Somehow it didn't manifest at the beginning but everything we feared about the offseason moves (coaching, personnel and draft) are surfacing.

Philbin looks miserable on the sideline. Tannehill is playing scared. The receivers are slow. The OLine is turrible. The secondary is just a joke. (I mean who do you replace Nolan Carroll with ... really?)
It's painful to watch. We;ve been manhandled "yardage wise" the last 5 games and against weak teams.

I can't blame Coyle's coaching on the defensive side. Guys are in place to make plays. They're just whiffing. DLIne is decent but other than Wake, no pass rush.

However, something terrible is happening with the offense. 
Philbin and Sherman have installed game plans that have essentially given up on the season. (A little early with 6 games left wouldn't you say?) 
They've given up. You call those game plans?

Obviously Texas A&M knew what they were doing when they canned Sherman.
What is with his playcalling?
No creativity or innovation.
Run Reggie up the middle and Tannehill stiff as a statue throwing 5 yard passes on 3rd and 7 . Not working. Worse, not fun to watch.

Tannehill needs 5 or more running attempts each game. The best play he made in the last 4 games is when he ran down and tackled the guy that intercepted his pass!
Reggie needs have 5 receptions each game. Forcefeed Miller, Thigpen and Matthews into the action. We have a crying need for speed!
AND YOU CAN'T THROW DEEP FLY PATTERNS TO BESS!

 


The real scary part: as a team, we're extremely healthy. Not many serious injuries at all.

And Ireland is the architect of this mess.

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Posted: 11/16/2012 11:04 PM

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Its taken Spiller 3 years to show he's a good player and can handle the tailback spot, but allready our guys suck and there not going to get any better. We may take it on the chin the rest of the season and end up 5-11 or 6-10 and we still won't be as bad as some of you our making us out to be, this is a highly competive league and if your QB is not up to it your going to lose alot of games. Our defense does give up alot of yards its been there MO lately but they don't give up the points, we can win with them. Another Wake type player on the other side and a linebacker with the capability to blitz we may be able to get by with corners that we got. Both Hartline and Bess are starting recievers in this league there just not the #1 alpha reciever we need to make it all work.

Philbin and Sherman have installed game plans that have essentially given up on the season. - hate to think that it was being done on purpose but everytime they run Reggie up the middle 1st and 10 and it go's nowhere it does make you wonder why they continue to try the exact same thing time after time. We allways seem to pick 15 or so in the draft we never have multiple years of high draft picks to restock this team. So all in all it may be a blessing in disguise.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:14 AM

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The only way it could be a "blessing in disguise" is if another person is in charge of restocking.

When we were doing well the response was: "hey Ireland's not so bad."
Weird but it seemed like as soon as ireland was getting a little favorable press, Philbin and Sherman shut it down offensively. And make no mistake about it, they have shut it down.
As Herm Edwards said, they're not playing to win the game.

I know it's strictly a conspiracy theory but anytyhing's possible in the world of Jeff Ireland.

He's a black cloud.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 9:47 AM

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I don't think Philbin and Sherman shut it down, as much as Philbin and Sherman were figured out. 

I also think it's funny how the only player in this draft class that has been a real bust, Egnew, is the guy that Philbin wanted. The Ireland picks, except for BJ Cunningham, have all made an impact.

Again, I don't think Ireland has been a great GM. But he has gotten better with each draft, and outside of secondary issues and the lack of a speedy WR our recent problems have more to do with coaching than personnel. And we knew we'd have secondary issues this season - Irealnd was ballsy enough to trade Vontae for a 2nd rounder even though he knew his job was on the line this season. And that was a damn good trade IMO. 

It's not Ireland's fault that we haven't been able to effectively run a screen pass or get Bush the ball in space. It's not his fault we try to run Bush up the gut every first down. It's not his fault Hartline fumbled in the 1st quarter or that Sherman was having Bess run fly routes. It's not his fault we drop every easy INT that comes our way. And if Philbin and Sherman are seriously playing to lose, no matter what the reason, I'd want them out of Miami immediately.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:18 AM

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Jschwald wrote: I don't think Philbin and Sherman shut it down, as much as Philbin and Sherman were figured out. 

I also think it's funny how the only player in this draft class that has been a real bust, Egnew, is the guy that Philbin wanted. The Ireland picks, except for BJ Cunningham, have all made an impact.

Again, I don't think Ireland has been a great GM. But he has gotten better with each draft, and outside of secondary issues and the lack of a speedy WR our recent problems have more to do with coaching than personnel. And we knew we'd have secondary issues this season - Irealnd was ballsy enough to trade Vontae for a 2nd rounder even though he knew his job was on the line this season. And that was a damn good trade IMO. 

It's not Ireland's fault that we haven't been able to effectively run a screen pass or get Bush the ball in space. It's not his fault we try to run Bush up the gut every first down. It's not his fault Hartline fumbled in the 1st quarter or that Sherman was having Bess run fly routes. It's not his fault we drop every easy INT that comes our way. And if Philbin and Sherman are seriously playing to lose, no matter what the reason, I'd want them out of Miami immediately.
Before you get pounced Tannehill wasn't his, he just had the balls to draft him that early on his OC advice, but your bang on about everthing else.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:23 AM

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Here is some what part of this conversation from another thread.



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Gonzorot wrote: Watched the game a few things really pop out to me and have been for a while now..

1. Jonathan Martin is a Turnstyle at RT and this is not a one time performance he is constantly our weakest link on the offensive line and if not for his draft status i don't think he starts. I wouldn't go that far but the same argument could be made about Long also but they are learning to Zone block now (Long anyways) so that might have to do w/ some of the problems. As the commenter's pointed out that was the Bills best def showing all year.   Lacks quickness and more troubling he gets overpowered at times.. Granted he was matched up against Mario Williams but still no excuses, Richie Incognito had a down game also but he usually is pretty solid.

2. There is one one thing i need to see before season's end.. I think Marcus Thigpen NEEDS to see the field, The guy has special vision finding holes and I think is our fastest player. He was probrably the best player in the preseason and i think he is going to be a hell of a player in his career. Look i love reggie, but I think the offseason you consider trading him(We can't he's in his final year) and letting these young studs we have at running back develop we have so much talent at HB but not enough balls the let them shine.Agreed! Time to let some of our younger guys to get alittle more play. At the same time why upset your RB when you want him to re-sign. Tough fine line to draw.

3. Our defensive cover scheme stinks, I put this on Coyle.. Our CB's are terrible in the zone coverage he plays most of the time this year.. Finally after being abused the whole game we went into press coverage and brought 6 guys on the rush which we needed to be doing the whole game.It pains me to no end watching the tons of dropped interceptions we leave on the field each week.. Our Defensive Backs have the worst set of hands in the NFL. I understand your frustration but he's a rookie DC, we allowed a total of 281 yards of Off(161 passing 120 rushing) and other then a punt return for a TD which is on the ST coach allowed 4 FG's. I would take those stats every week. As for the drops ??????? No excuses, can't blame coaching or rookie learning curves on those. 

 We have rookie players starting, rookie HC rookie DC a great supporting wr cast and a decent rb. What can we really expect from this team? The string of wins started to get people thinking higher then what we are. I'm happy w/ RTH and I think his future is bright( Not sure why people are comparing him to Marino there can only be one) for us. on the plus side were better then the J-E-T-S   JETS JETS JETS!!!!
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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:31 AM

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Here' a good read for some of our fans

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000095864/art icle/ryan-tannehill-miami-dolphins-enduring-normal -growing-pains



No need for alarm in Miami

Ryan Tannehill, Miami Dolphins enduring normal growing pains




Three weeks ago, after soundly beating the New York Jets 30-9 on their own field in New Jersey, theMiami Dolphins had the look of a potential playoff team, with a rookie quarterback leading them back to the promised land.

However, as is often the case when rookies start at quarterback in the NFL, Tannehill hit a wall and theDolphins followed suit. The Dolphins lost their third consecutive game on Thursday night, dropping a 19-14 decision to the Buffalo Bills. Thus ends the playoff talk, and we're all reminded to have a little patience.

Irish poet and playwright Oscar Wilde said it best back in the 19th century: "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes." Tannehill and the Dolphins clearly need more experience; therefore, they need to make more mistakes.

Tannehill is one of four quarterbacks who were taken in the first round of the2012 NFL Draft in April and one of five rookie signal-callers to start since opening day. However, it was never the intention of the Dolphins to have Tannehill lead the team this entire season; not because they worried about his talent level, but rather because they wanted to allow him time to grow into the game and adjust,.... etc

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