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State of the Franchise

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Posted: 11/15/2012 11:50 PM

State of the Franchise 


Wow, what a tough 3 weeks.  It's almost like this franchise comes up with creative ways to make us suffer.

Having said that, a lot of frustrating things going on with this team.

We knew coming into this season that the WR corp and the DB's were weak.

What's frustrating is how much our OL is struggling.  We have way too much invested in this area of our team for it not to be a strength.

We have no playmakers on defense.  Occassionally Wake gets a sack and Jones has been playing good.  When this team needs someone to make a play, picking up a fumble or picking off a pass, they just don't do it.

The last 2-3 weeks have been a clinic on how to not tackle.  Poor fundamentals.

Not sure what to think of Tannehill.  On one hand, he doesn't have much to work with and we can't run the ball.  We aren't putting him in a position to succeed.  

On the other hand, he throws too many picks, doesn't make any plays with his legs and struggles with his accuracy.

I think I've pretty much had enough of Incognito, Clemons, Carroll, Jerry and Smith.  They just need to be replaced.

Not sure what to think about Long.  He continues to struggle and is certainly not worth top 5 OT money.  For $7-$8 million maybe.  For $11+ million, no way!

Furthermore, not sure if I trust Ireland with this many draft picks based on his track record.

The good news, well, I guess we'll be getting a top 10 pick and might be able to get a playmaker at WR.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 12:14 AM

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Long's value is dropping but then you look at Martin and how he getting own at times and Jake doesn't look to bad. I keep saying it but untill Tannehill go's out and backs these defenses up we will continue to have problems. Guess Brandon Marshall or even Chad Johnson would of really helped, 3,4,5 20 yard passes to start a game would do it and then Bush and Thomas would have a easier time running the ball. The talent on this team isn't nearly as bad as it looks, its how the game unfolds, all these NFL teams are close in talent....
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Posted: 11/16/2012 12:50 AM

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dougb123 wrote: Long's value is dropping but then you look at Martin and how he getting own at times and Jake doesn't look to bad. I keep saying it but untill Tannehill go's out and backs these defenses up we will continue to have problems. Guess Brandon Marshall or even Chad Johnson would of really helped, 3,4,5 20 yard passes to start a game would do it and then Bush and Thomas would have a easier time running the ball. The talent on this team isn't nearly as bad as it looks, its how the game unfolds, all these NFL teams are close in talent....
The talent on this team isn't nearly as bad as it looks, its how the game unfolds, I think it's how it's coached.

all these NFL teams are close in talent....I think, except for us. And even if we want to believe that, why don't we have the Spillers the Merrimen the bruisers up front and the D backs everyone else seems to be able to draft. We seem to shoot ourselves in the foot every draft and free agent signing. I'm not putting you down for what you think. Yes we have talent in certain, but not all areas.




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Posted: 11/16/2012 12:50 AM

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Its  pisses me off that this team came out strong and now is falling apart..
I would rather them have just flatout stunk this year rather then raising our hopes up

Dolphin fans have been kicked in the balls enough, Worst part is this little early season winning streak is probrably going to give ross an excuse to keep Ireland for another year.banghead

At least we are going to have a ton of draftpicks and capspace next season and THEY BETTER spend it making this team Good because i think we are all tired of looking to next year every football season..

Next year the time has to be NOW
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Posted: 11/16/2012 1:36 AM

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But it won't be now. Hasn't for 3 decades. They suck, and nothing will change, except there will be 15,000 on the stadium next year. Everybody is sick of it!!!
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Posted: 11/16/2012 8:24 AM

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As a matter of fact, the state of this franchise is just like the state of this country, in ruins. Well, except the team's unemployment rate is not near as high, which it shoud be! Heck I would rather pay for most of the "players" on this team to sit around and do nothing all day, just to keep them off the football field, where three have no business being!!
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Posted: 11/16/2012 12:02 PM

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Watched the game a few things really pop out to me and have been for a while now..

1. Jonathan Martin is a Turnstyle at RT and this is not a one time performance he is constantly our weakest link on the offensive line and if not for his draft status i don't think he starts.. Lacks quickness and more troubling he gets overpowered at times.. Granted he was matched up against Mario Williams but still no excuses, Richie Incognito had a down game also but he usually is pretty solid.

2. There is one one thing i need to see before season's end.. I think Marcus Thigpen NEEDS to see the field, The guy has special vision finding holes and I think is our fastest player. He was probrably the best player in the preseason and i think he is going to be a hell of a player in his career. Look i love reggie, but I think the offseason you consider trading him and letting these young studs we have at running back develop we have so much talent at HB but not enough balls the let them shine..

3. Our defensive cover scheme stinks, I put this on Coyle.. Our CB's are terrible in the zone coverage he plays most of the time this year.. Finally after being abused the whole game we went into press coverage and brought 6 guys on the rush which we needed to be doing the whole game.It pains me to no end watching the tons of dropped interceptions we leave on the field each week.. Our Defensive Backs have the worst set of hands in the NFL.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 1:36 PM

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Gonzorot wrote: Watched the game a few things really pop out to me and have been for a while now..

1. Jonathan Martin is a Turnstyle at RT and this is not a one time performance he is constantly our weakest link on the offensive line and if not for his draft status i don't think he starts. I wouldn't go that far but the same argument could be made about Long also but they are learning to Zone block now (Long anyways) so that might have to do w/ some of the problems. As the commenter's pointed out that was the Bills best def showing all year.   Lacks quickness and more troubling he gets overpowered at times.. Granted he was matched up against Mario Williams but still no excuses, Richie Incognito had a down game also but he usually is pretty solid.

2. There is one one thing i need to see before season's end.. I think Marcus Thigpen NEEDS to see the field, The guy has special vision finding holes and I think is our fastest player. He was probrably the best player in the preseason and i think he is going to be a hell of a player in his career. Look i love reggie, but I think the offseason you consider trading him(We can't he's in his final year) and letting these young studs we have at running back develop we have so much talent at HB but not enough balls the let them shine.Agreed! Time to let some of our younger guys to get alittle more play. At the same time why upset your RB when you want him to re-sign. Tough fine line to draw.

3. Our defensive cover scheme stinks, I put this on Coyle.. Our CB's are terrible in the zone coverage he plays most of the time this year.. Finally after being abused the whole game we went into press coverage and brought 6 guys on the rush which we needed to be doing the whole game.It pains me to no end watching the tons of dropped interceptions we leave on the field each week.. Our Defensive Backs have the worst set of hands in the NFL. I understand your frustration but he's a rookie DC, we allowed a total of 281 yards of Off(161 passing 120 rushing) and other then a punt return for a TD which is on the ST coach allowed 4 FG's. I would take those stats every week. As for the drops ??????? No excuses, can't blame coaching or rookie learning curves on those. 

 We have rookie players starting, rookie HC rookie DC a great supporting wr cast and a decent rb. What can we really expect from this team? The string of wins started to get people thinking higher then what we are. I'm happy w/ RTH and I think his future is bright( Not sure why people are comparing him to Marino there can only be one) for us. on the plus side were better then the J-E-T-S   JETS JETS JETS!!!!
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Posted: 11/16/2012 1:52 PM

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The reason we play so much zone is, as we saw, Carroll and Wilson can't matchup man to man with good receivers. If we acquire another starting caliber cb, and get back Marshall next year, we'll start to see a lot more press man to man which is what we were playing earlier on in the season.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 2:10 PM

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Jschwald wrote: The reason we play so much zone is, as we saw, Carroll and Wilson can't matchup man to man with good receivers. If we acquire another starting caliber cb, and get back Marshall next year, we'll start to see a lot more press man to man which is what we were playing earlier on in the season.
I don't know if you guys remember but Richard Marshall was pretty much a sieve back there too. I guess i would trust him as a nickel corner but thats about it..
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Posted: 11/16/2012 2:12 PM

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Gonzorot wrote:
I don't know if you guys remember but Richard Marshall was pretty much a sieve back there too. I guess i would trust him as a nickel corner but thats about it..
That's exactly what I would trust him as - no more. It's why we need to draft someone.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 12:56 PM

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BillSlayer wrote:
Gonzorot wrote: Watched the game a few things really pop out to me and have been for a while now..



2. There is one one thing i need to see before season's end.. I think Marcus Thigpen NEEDS to see the field, The guy has special vision finding holes and I think is our fastest player. He was probrably the best player in the preseason and i think he is going to be a hell of a player in his career. Look i love reggie, but I think the offseason you consider trading him(We can't he's in his final year) and letting these young studs we have at running back develop we have so much talent at HB but not enough balls the let them shine.Agreed! Time to let some of our younger guys to get alittle more play. At the same time why upset your RB when you want him to re-sign. Tough fine line to draw.

 We have rookie players starting, rookie HC rookie DC a great supporting wr cast and a decent rb. What can we really expect from this team? The string of wins started to get people thinking higher then what we are. I'm happy w/ RTH and I think his future is bright( Not sure why people are comparing him to Marino there can only be one) for us. on the plus side were better then the J-E-T-S   JETS JETS JETS!!!!
I really put a lot of our offensive woes on our OC and our WRs.  There are a lot of our playcalls and formations that really make me scratch my head and don't seem to set us up for success.  The decline of the run game can be attributed a lot to the extra man teams are sticking in the box now that we've proven we can't go deep (and don't even run deep routes).  It's a bit of a chicken and the egg..... can't pass without setting up the run, can't run without showing the pass.

What happened to doing things like setting up Reggie as a WR, making miss-matches and spreading out the field?  Until we start making it harder for DC's to scheme against us, we can't expect any of our guys to have success.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 3:01 PM

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DolphinFanCA wrote:
BillSlayer wrote:
Gonzorot wrote: Watched the game a few things really pop out to me and have been for a while now..



2. There is one one thing i need to see before season's end.. I think Marcus Thigpen NEEDS to see the field, The guy has special vision finding holes and I think is our fastest player. He was probrably the best player in the preseason and i think he is going to be a hell of a player in his career. Look i love reggie, but I think the offseason you consider trading him(We can't he's in his final year) and letting these young studs we have at running back develop we have so much talent at HB but not enough balls the let them shine.Agreed! Time to let some of our younger guys to get alittle more play. At the same time why upset your RB when you want him to re-sign. Tough fine line to draw.

 We have rookie players starting, rookie HC rookie DC a great supporting wr cast and a decent rb. What can we really expect from this team? The string of wins started to get people thinking higher then what we are. I'm happy w/ RTH and I think his future is bright( Not sure why people are comparing him to Marino there can only be one) for us. on the plus side were better then the J-E-T-S   JETS JETS JETS!!!!
I really put a lot of our offensive woes on our OC and our WRs.  There are a lot of our playcalls and formations that really make me scratch my head and don't seem to set us up for success.  The decline of the run game can be attributed a lot to the extra man teams are sticking in the box now that we've proven we can't go deep (and don't even run deep routes) I disagree that we don't run deep routes.  We threw the ball  up a few times Thursday night, but when you have Devone Bess running go routes and even Hartline unable to get separation, no sense in sending guys deep.  Teams are bracketing hartline taking him out of the deep passing game.  It's a bit of a chicken and the egg..... can't pass without setting up the run, can't run without showing the pass.

What happened to doing things like setting up Reggie as a WR, making miss-matches and spreading out the field?  Until we start making it harder for DC's to scheme against us, we can't expect any of our guys to have success The lack of talent on offense is what makes it easy to scheme against us.  We don't pose matchup issues for a D.  Reggie Bush is a nightmare is space but to get him that space there has to be something or someone to pull coverage off of him.  Right now a D can keep 8 in the box and not worry about pulling coverage away from inside 15 yards of the LOS.  Anyone notice that the Offense started to really struggle the week AFTER they cut Anthony Armstrong?  He wasn't very good, but he at least gave the team a legit deep threat who had made plays in the league down the field before. 

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