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4-4 NOT GOOD ENOUGH

  • ColsSJD
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Posted: 11/6/2012 8:43 PM

4-4 NOT GOOD ENOUGH 


Hey Jeff Ireland you really think 4-4 cuts it with us Fins Fans? Really? Our lack of talent at the wide receiver position is killing us. We have NO PLAYMAKERS. Our pass defense is pathetic. It's not good. And Tannehill will not take the next step with the average wide receivers he has to work with. O yeah the game was there to get it done but Ryan couldn't do it. Why? He has no great wide receivers that can make plays.

Here is what we need to get there:

Wide Receivers
Tight End
Safety that can patrol the middle of the field with speed and hard hitting
Cover Corner
ANother DE\Linebacker that can rush the QB
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Posted: 11/7/2012 8:49 AM

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agree!it makes it worse that we lost 3 games good teams would have won !!!
add to that we have a left tackle on $10m + a year playing like a rookie 7th rnd pick !
and re sign him now and let pro bowl player like starks ,and our 1000yard soon to be receiver walk free!!
are so called shut down corner is like jekyll and hyde and we need to re sign him for $8m a year
our middle linebacker "iam the best in the league " just tackles and call the plays !!
no playmaking ability !
all of our FA this years are total busts!!

imo we need help everywhere ,

but we are not allowed opinions here unless we are in the family!!!!
" such views are digs" !!
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Posted: 11/7/2012 11:29 AM

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My god we're being recognized as one of the most pleasant surprises in the NFL, would you debbie downers just shut up banghead
Somebody gave me a Hickey.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:11 PM

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Notice these morons don't start threads when we win? NO CREDIBILITY...

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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:38 PM

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ColsSJD wrote: Hey Jeff Ireland you really think 4-4 cuts it with us Fins Fans? Really? Our lack of talent at the wide receiver position is killing us. We have NO PLAYMAKERS. Our pass defense is pathetic. It's not good. And Tannehill will not take the next step with the average wide receivers he has to work with. O yeah the game was there to get it done but Ryan couldn't do it. Why? He has no great wide receivers that can make plays.

Here is what we need to get there:

Wide Receivers
Tight End
Safety that can patrol the middle of the field with speed and hard hitting
Cover Corner
ANother DE\Linebacker that can rush the QB
very well said ,   but  there are many fans that are in denial about our wr corp .  when was the last time we had  a  high scoring  offense ?    the sad thing about the dolphins  is that we have never been  great  on offense and defense  at the same time . 

we havent  had  a offense  that really scared anyone  since  i dont know when.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:49 PM

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Jschwald wrote: My god we're being recognized as one of the most pleasant surprises in the NFL, would you debbie downers just shut up banghead

nobody is debbie downers  some people can see that this orginaztion has some really serious flaws  if anyone needs to shut up its the jeff ireland apologist.   pretending  we are better then we are isnt good  either.   the truth is Ireland  has done nothing to put miami in position  to beat the better teams  and  we have get some playmakers at the skill position instead of putting  all our salery cap into a miserable  oline which has beena problem since  Saban left.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:13 PM

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We aren't better than we are, we need SERIOUS help of a big-time WR, and a Tight end who can attack the seam.

We also have one of the best D-lines in the league (Jeff Ireland), a very productive linebacker core (Jeff Ireland), three quality runners (Jeff Ireland), the best center in the NFL (Jeff Ireland), a possible pro-bowler at Safety (Jeff Ireland), the best pass rusher in the NFL (Jeff Ireland), three of the best special teamers in the NFL in Wilson, Moore, and Vernon (Jeff Ireland), the NFL's best punter (Jeff Ireland), and most importantly A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK, drafted by Jeff Ireland.

You say we're not in position to beat the better teams in the nfl...
a) How do you know? We haven't played any of the best teams in the NFL since week 1, and this is a very different team than it was in week 1. And if you're going to say we can't even beat the colts, well we didn't lose by 30 to the Jets like them. We beat the 3-1 Bengals, the 3-2 Rams, and blew out Jets, all of whom had playoff aspirations.

b) We aren't elite. But we're in the top half of the league, we're young, and we're getting better. And with the exception of Egnew, Ireland seems to have had an incredible draft last year. And with Thomas running strong, the only bust from the year before seems to be Clyde Gates -- Pouncey, Thomas, Clay, and Wilson are all making an impact for us.

We're the second best team in our division for the first time since 2008, but it honestly seems like you'd rather us fail just so you can continue to hate Jeff Ireland, grow up.
Somebody gave me a Hickey.

Last edited 11/7/2012 3:15 PM by Jschwald

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Posted: 11/7/2012 4:31 PM

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Yes, I'm a known Downer of Debbie's but even I have to say I am very pleasantly surprised by this team.  they are 4-4, should be 6-2 and other than the Texans opener have been in the game and had a chance to win at the end if it all.  Unlike years past where this team showed little sign of progress, the 2012 Dolphins are showing that this coaching staff is definately bringing this team forward.

- A franchise rookie QB who has the cajones to go step for step against anyone in the league.
- A young O-line that is finally solidifying and playing as a unit.

- A stout run defense with playmakers in the front 7.

- A coaching staff that can have players play above their potential and can develop young talent by coaching them up. 

There are issues with the team, no doubt, but where we thought Miami would be versus how they are playing right now is leaps and bounds better than most of us expected. Is the ultimate goal to be 8-8?  Of course not, but for the first time in YEARS this team seems to have a real direction, purpose, and leadership.  I'm not a fan of Ireland BUT if he listens to Philbin and the coaching staff and we can keep the nucleus of this team and coaches together, I think there is something real special brewing here.  It also definately helps that we FINALLY have a quarterback who can lead this team and has that special something that the really great ones have.

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Posted: 11/7/2012 4:56 PM

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DantesDolfanInferno wrote: Yes, I'm a known Downer of Debbie's but even I have to say I am very pleasantly surprised by this team.  they are 4-4, should be 6-2 and other than the Texans opener have been in the game and had a chance to win at the end if it all.  Unlike years past where this team showed little sign of progress, the 2012 Dolphins are showing that this coaching staff is definately bringing this team forward.

- A franchise rookie QB who has the cajones to go step for step against anyone in the league.
- A young O-line that is finally solidifying and playing as a unit.

- A stout run defense with playmakers in the front 7.

- A coaching staff that can have players play above their potential and can develop young talent by coaching them up. 

There are issues with the team, no doubt, but where we thought Miami would be versus how they are playing right now is leaps and bounds better than most of us expected. Is the ultimate goal to be 8-8?  Of course not, but for the first time in YEARS this team seems to have a real direction, purpose, and leadership.  I'm not a fan of Ireland BUT if he listens to Philbin and the coaching staff and we can keep the nucleus of this team and coaches together, I think there is something real special brewing here.  It also definately helps that we FINALLY have a quarterback who can lead this team and has that special something that the really great ones have.
This is spot on. The only problem I have is that I think the coaching is top notch but don't know that I trust Ireland to add the pieces that will make this team complete.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 7:45 PM

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Some people will always complain. Love him or hate him Jeff Ireland has stocked this team on both sides with talent. We are missing game changers. Although they never admitted it this was seen by many as a rebuilding year. We made no big signings, got a new coach, traded our best but problematic players on both sides. I like Ireland, I think he may need to look into his scouting or look for some help when drafting or evaluating positions he has struggled to fill namely WR and TE. The goal is to get better every year. As for Tannehill and the wrs I don't think its as important for them to get better as it is for our running game to get better. Bush should get sat down for a week to either send a message or rest him up. Either way I think Miller looks great everytime he touches the ball and it needs to happen more often. Daniel Thomas may not be worth a 2nd round trade up but he has become a valuable player in pass protection. I think Thomas is going to eventually be our Kevin Faulk, an all purpose back who never really shines until it counts. I always want us to win but I except and expect us to struggle along the way

Edit: wow way to not complete a thought...I do think we need better wrs but a better running game would also improve our current unit this season.

Last edited 11/7/2012 7:48 PM by dstock21

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Posted: 11/7/2012 11:24 PM

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NationsBIGGESTFinFan wrote: Notice these morons don't start threads when we win? NO CREDIBILITY...
+1.  We have a rookie QB and a rookie coach and a young team, give it time.





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Posted: 11/8/2012 12:03 PM

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PhinFan1990 wrote:
NationsBIGGESTFinFan wrote: Notice these morons don't start threads when we win? NO CREDIBILITY...
+1.  We have a rookie QB and a rookie coach and a young team, give it time.
I concur.  If you'd have said at the halfway point we were 4-4 I'd be pleased.  Sure it sucks to have lost the two OT games but we were never a player away from winning the SB.  Every preview mag I bought said we'd finish last and be 4-12 or 5-11. 

Surely with all the new staff and our rookie QB we're doing better than we should have been.  With 5 picks in the first three rounds next year and a ton of cap space I'm kinda excited about the direction the teams heading.
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Posted: 11/9/2012 9:02 AM

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Jschwald wrote: We aren't better than we are, we need SERIOUS help of a big-time WR, and a Tight end who can attack the seam.

We also have one of the best D-lines in the league (Jeff Ireland), a very productive linebacker core (Jeff Ireland), three quality runners (Jeff Ireland), the best center in the NFL (Jeff Ireland), a possible pro-bowler at Safety (Jeff Ireland), the best pass rusher in the NFL (Jeff Ireland), three of the best special teamers in the NFL in Wilson, Moore, and Vernon (Jeff Ireland), the NFL's best punter (Jeff Ireland), and most importantly A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK, drafted by Jeff Ireland.

You say we're not in position to beat the better teams in the nfl...
a) How do you know? We haven't played any of the best teams in the NFL since week 1, and this is a very different team than it was in week 1. And if you're going to say we can't even beat the colts, well we didn't lose by 30 to the Jets like them. We beat the 3-1 Bengals, the 3-2 Rams, and blew out Jets, all of whom had playoff aspirations.

b) We aren't elite. But we're in the top half of the league, we're young, and we're getting better. And with the exception of Egnew, Ireland seems to have had an incredible draft last year. And with Thomas running strong, the only bust from the year before seems to be Clyde Gates -- Pouncey, Thomas, Clay, and Wilson are all making an impact for us.

We're the second best team in our division for the first time since 2008, but it honestly seems like you'd rather us fail just so you can continue to hate Jeff Ireland, grow up.
No credit to Ireland for Tannehill. That was the coaching staff. 
None of our top Dline, LBers, are Ireland draft picks.  
RB's? (Thomas is just a body and Miller doesn't play) 
Possible pro bowl safety? Not even close.
I agree about the best punter in football. But he was drafted by Randy Mueller.
3 of the best special teamers in the NFL? Now you're reaching for anything.
Why don't you give Ireland credit for the NFL's best concession stand Cuban Sandwich?

Ireland has never had an incredible draft. Ever.

The team is more competitive this year because of a better coaching staff and a softer schedule.
It's exciting to watch Tannehill progress but we've been outproduced by a ton in our last 3 games.
Don't hate Ireland. Just get rid of him.

Last edited 11/9/2012 9:05 AM by FreeWanny

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Posted: 11/9/2012 12:40 PM

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5-3 would be better but OMG, look how far this team has come from last season.

Our record this season is important but even more important is "is the team moving in the right direction"?

Is this a team that has players on it that will improve and be better as this season goes on and even better next year?

I think we have answered two very important questions about finding a GOOD Head Coach and a franchise QB.

What were the odds on both Philbin and Tannehill working out great?

Even our once wacky new owner has seemed to have wised up.


On a quick note, there should no longer be a debate about Tannehill vs Moore. Tannehill is our franchise QB.

Period.

I was on the side of starting Moore over him but I think not only has Tannehill shown he is ready, it has made him a better QB quicker. If he was being overwhelmed then I'd take him out.

I think we could be 4-4 with Matt Moore starting however. I hope we try to keep him a s back up QB.

But should be be 7-1? ahhhh could we be 8-0? Sure we could.....I'd be pretty happy with 5-3.

But more important then the record is the direction the team is moving.

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Posted: 11/10/2012 8:03 AM

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What a difference change makes on perception.

A lot has to do with incredibly low expectations going into this year and Jeff ireland

But this team with Sparano as the coach and Matt Moore as the QB went 6-3 in it's last 9 games last year.

Now we're 4 and 4 with a new coaching staff and QB and the future looks bright.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 9:43 PM

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FreeWanny wrote:
Jschwald wrote: We aren't better than we are, we need SERIOUS help of a big-time WR, and a Tight end who can attack the seam.

We also have one of the best D-lines in the league (Jeff Ireland), a very productive linebacker core (Jeff Ireland), three quality runners (Jeff Ireland), the best center in the NFL (Jeff Ireland), a possible pro-bowler at Safety (Jeff Ireland), the best pass rusher in the NFL (Jeff Ireland), three of the best special teamers in the NFL in Wilson, Moore, and Vernon (Jeff Ireland), the NFL's best punter (Jeff Ireland), and most importantly A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK, drafted by Jeff Ireland.

You say we're not in position to beat the better teams in the nfl...
a) How do you know? We haven't played any of the best teams in the NFL since week 1, and this is a very different team than it was in week 1. And if you're going to say we can't even beat the colts, well we didn't lose by 30 to the Jets like them. We beat the 3-1 Bengals, the 3-2 Rams, and blew out Jets, all of whom had playoff aspirations.

b) We aren't elite. But we're in the top half of the league, we're young, and we're getting better. And with the exception of Egnew, Ireland seems to have had an incredible draft last year. And with Thomas running strong, the only bust from the year before seems to be Clyde Gates -- Pouncey, Thomas, Clay, and Wilson are all making an impact for us.

We're the second best team in our division for the first time since 2008, but it honestly seems like you'd rather us fail just so you can continue to hate Jeff Ireland, grow up.


Ireland has never had an incredible draft. Ever.



I would say he knocked it out of the park with this draft.  You can attempt to discredit the Tannehill pick but at the end of the day, he makes the calls.  

I'm in no way defending him.  He's had some good calls and some horrible ones.  It's really tough to judge based on the Parcells influence.

Good: Sean Smith, Reshad Jones, Mike Pouncey, Jonathan Martin, Olivier Vernon and Brian Hartline.  Plus signing Bess and Wake.

Horrible: Pat White, Patrick Turner, Michael Egnew, Daniel Thomas(may be too early for Egnew and Thomas but so far have been bad picks)

Jury is still out on: Koa Misi, Jared Odrick and John Jerry

His FA signings have probably been the most baffling as well as trading 2 2nd rounders for Marshall.

He's done enough with this years draft to get another year IMO but he's definitely on a short leash.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:28 AM

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ColsSJD wrote: Hey Jeff Ireland you really think 4-4 cuts it with us Fins Fans? Really? Our lack of talent at the wide receiver position is killing us. We have NO PLAYMAKERS. Our pass defense is pathetic. It's not good. And Tannehill will not take the next step with the average wide receivers he has to work with. O yeah the game was there to get it done but Ryan couldn't do it. Why? He has no great wide receivers that can make plays.

Here is what we need to get there:

Wide Receivers
Tight End
Safety that can patrol the middle of the field with speed and hard hitting
Cover Corner
ANother DE\Linebacker that can rush the QB
I won't argue with the lack of play makers but shouldn't you address your letter to Mike Sherman and Dan Carpenter instead of Jeff Ireland?  Because the way I see it, those 2 cost us every game but Houston.

Last edited 11/11/2012 7:29 AM by birdmond

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Posted: 11/11/2012 4:38 PM

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Neither is 4-5...eek
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:13 PM

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PhinFan1990 wrote:
NationsBIGGESTFinFan wrote: Notice these morons don't start threads when we win? NO CREDIBILITY...
+1.  We have a rookie QB and a rookie coach and a young team, give it time.
Playing Devils Advocate......that doesnt seem to be holding the Colts back. They win the games they should and steal some games they should lose.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 8:02 PM

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rightNexact wrote:
PhinFan1990 wrote:
NationsBIGGESTFinFan wrote: Notice these morons don't start threads when we win? NO CREDIBILITY...
+1.  We have a rookie QB and a rookie coach and a young team, give it time.
Playing Devils Advocate......that doesnt seem to be holding the Colts back. They win the games they should and steal some games they should lose.

Difference being the Colts are 1 year removed from a playoff season and 2 seasons removed from a 14 win Super Bowl year.  Outside of the fluke, wildcat year, this team hasn't sniffed the playoffs in years.  There is a major talent gap.  The Colts got their QB, added some weapons and are right back to where they were.
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