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Congress still trying to screw over the military....

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Posted: 12/14/2013 12:51 PM

Congress still trying to screw over the military.... 



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Posted: 12/14/2013 1:44 PM

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Posted: 12/14/2013 3:17 PM

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I don't think reducing pay raises is really screwing them. It isn't like they are getting pay cuts.
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Posted: 12/14/2013 4:58 PM

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Here's a group of people that volunteer to put themselves in harm's way...works 18 hour days....no holidays....in some God forsaken part of the world....have horrible living conditions...no union to stand up for them...etc.....and yet those bastards in Congress want to not only cut their pay raise...but....also screw with their retirement. Congress also plans to close all stateside Post Exchanges and Commissaries...and mess with their Tricare.  That's messin' with the military!

When was the last time those SOBs in Washington took a reduction in benefits or pay?  When was the last time they were put in danger...or harm's way....or came home maimed for life by an IED  or some other weapon?

It's time to vote all those people out of office....both repubs and demos.


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Posted: 12/14/2013 5:25 PM

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I hate to see Congress taking the blame for this. I believe they are trying to create a more rational budget and know that in order to try to lead this President and Senate to a more sane approach to spending, some traditional conservative strongholds are going to have to share in the decrease of the rate of growth. 

In reality, the President made the military bear the brunt of the sequestration this past year. Cutting the rate of growth should be preferable to being bludgeoned by more sequestration. 

I don't believe the democrats are capable of responding by agreeing to decreases in growth rates of their welfare state programs, but I hope I am pleasantly surprised. 
Tigertronics wrote: Here's a group of people that volunteer to put themselves in harm's way...works 18 hour days....no holidays....in some God forsaken part of the world....have horrible living conditions...no union to stand up for them...etc.....and yet those bastards in Congress want to not only cut their pay raise...but....also screw with their retirement. Congress also plans to close all stateside Post Exchanges and Commissaries...and mess with their Tricare.  That's messin' with the military!

When was the last time those SOBs in Washington took a reduction in benefits or pay?  When was the last time they were put in danger...or harm's way....or came home maimed for life by an IED  or some other weapon?

It's time to vote all those people out of office....both repubs and demos.
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Posted: 12/15/2013 1:53 AM

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Decrease? The morons erased the few rate decreases they had already achieved for empty promises. They're vermin. Vote every one of them out.
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Posted: 12/15/2013 5:38 PM

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yet they get a raise every year.

And some of you people say terms limits are not necessary. Amazing
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Posted: 12/23/2013 1:29 PM

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Normally, I would be shocked that Republicans would allow something like this to pass where they possess the majority.  Times have certainly changed.  This behavior is routine for the other side who despises the military and all they represent.  
This is one of the many reasons why every single elected official at the federal level should have active duty military experience without question.  I can't explain how hard it is sometimes to serve under a government that is constantly working against you in some sort.



 

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Posted: 12/23/2013 2:20 PM

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As a conservative and a military member (active duty Air Force with 16 years) I have no problem with this…..

We must start making some cuts and I do not mind having some skin in the game.  We need to avoid Military members developing an entitlement mentality.

Now, if I am going to contribute more, I hope Congress will spend it responsibly….
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money --Alexis de Tocqueville

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Posted: 12/24/2013 7:32 AM

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abqtiger wrote: As a conservative and a military member (active duty Air Force with 16 years) I have no problem with this…..

We must start making some cuts and I do not mind having some skin in the game.  We need to avoid Military members developing an entitlement mentality.

Now, if I am going to contribute more, I hope Congress will spend it responsibly….
The military in IMO the most overfunded department of the U.S. government.  Military seems to have no internal control over all the wasted money.  Everyone looks at "people who puts their life on the line" which is about 10% of the military organization.  All departments are making cuts, not filling jobs, closing or consolidating offices, ect.   I am not anti-military, was reared in a military family, served six years in  reserves where on weekends reserve meetings we might have done four or five  hours of actual work. 

I can see no reason for special treatment of them where other departments have been frozen at 2010 pay rates.
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Posted: 12/24/2013 7:39 AM

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I think you are correct. I witnessed it first hand as well. 90% of the military's work is indistinguishable from govt. work of any other sort. Same process, same waste.
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Posted: 12/24/2013 11:13 AM

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abqtiger wrote: As a conservative and a military member (active duty Air Force with 16 years) I have no problem with this…..

We must start making some cuts and I do not mind having some skin in the game.  We need to avoid Military members developing an entitlement mentality.

Now, if I am going to contribute more, I hope Congress will spend it responsibly….
I don't have a problem with it if it's comprehensive.  Freeze it, make cuts, whatever, but do the same thing with SS and Medicaid and congressional perqs and Commerce and Ag and all the other departments.  I know earlier the furlough hits were not absorbed equally.
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Posted: 12/24/2013 5:48 PM

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I would not go that far.  We are operating on very lean budgets.  Why do you assume there is no internal control?  Why do you assume there is massive waste.

DoD has also had a pay freeze since 2010 same as the rest of the government, but it applied to the civilian workforce.  Military pay is voted on separately.  The reason for the "special treatment" is because we do make more sacrifices than other government departments.  I think the percentage is much higher than 10% putting their life on the line.  
AUSECtion29 wrote:
abqtiger wrote: As a conservative and a military member (active duty Air Force with 16 years) I have no problem with this…..

We must start making some cuts and I do not mind having some skin in the game.  We need to avoid Military members developing an entitlement mentality.

Now, if I am going to contribute more, I hope Congress will spend it responsibly….
The military in IMO the most overfunded department of the U.S. government.  Military seems to have no internal control over all the wasted money.  Everyone looks at "people who puts their life on the line" which is about 10% of the military organization.  All departments are making cuts, not filling jobs, closing or consolidating offices, ect.   I am not anti-military, was reared in a military family, served six years in  reserves where on weekends reserve meetings we might have done four or five  hours of actual work. 

I can see no reason for special treatment of them where other departments have been frozen at 2010 pay rates.
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money --Alexis de Tocqueville

I gave in, and admitted that God was God. --C. S. Lewis
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Posted: 12/24/2013 8:06 PM

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It probably won't make you feel any better but they (all the departments) are that way. 
AUSECtion29 wrote:
abqtiger wrote: As a conservative and a military member (active duty Air Force with 16 years) I have no problem with this…..

We must start making some cuts and I do not mind having some skin in the game.  We need to avoid Military members developing an entitlement mentality.

Now, if I am going to contribute more, I hope Congress will spend it responsibly….
The military in IMO the most overfunded department of the U.S. government.  Military seems to have no internal control over all the wasted money.  Everyone looks at "people who puts their life on the line" which is about 10% of the military organization.  All departments are making cuts, not filling jobs, closing or consolidating offices, ect.   I am not anti-military, was reared in a military family, served six years in  reserves where on weekends reserve meetings we might have done four or five  hours of actual work. 

I can see no reason for special treatment of them where other departments have been frozen at 2010 pay rates.
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Posted: 12/24/2013 11:21 PM

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AUSECtion29 wrote:
The military in IMO the most overfunded department of the U.S. government.  Military seems to have no internal control over all the wasted money.  Everyone looks at "people who puts their life on the line" which is about 10% of the military organization.  All departments are making cuts, not filling jobs, closing or consolidating offices, ect.   I am not anti-military, was reared in a military family, served six years in  reserves where on weekends reserve meetings we might have done four or five  hours of actual work.  

I can see no reason for special treatment of them where other departments have been frozen at 2010 pay rates.
Really most overfunded?  Even in comparison to the EPA, Energy, Education ....

As for the reserves, what you are paying for is a retainer to have people and units trained and available for war while not supporting them in a standing Army.   And they have been used in combat extensively in Iraq last decade.

While I am at it how many other departments have already been cut as much as the military has over the last 4 years?

 

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Posted: 12/25/2013 10:04 AM

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auburn2 wrote:
AUSECtion29 wrote:
The military in IMO the most overfunded department of the U.S. government.  Military seems to have no internal control over all the wasted money.  Everyone looks at "people who puts their life on the line" which is about 10% of the military organization.  All departments are making cuts, not filling jobs, closing or consolidating offices, ect.   I am not anti-military, was reared in a military family, served six years in  reserves where on weekends reserve meetings we might have done four or five  hours of actual work.  

I can see no reason for special treatment of them where other departments have been frozen at 2010 pay rates.
Really most overfunded?  Even in comparison to the EPA, Energy, Education ....

As for the reserves, what you are paying for is a retainer to have people and units trained and available for war while not supporting them in a standing Army.   And they have been used in combat extensively in Iraq last decade.

While I am at it how many other departments have already been cut as much as the military has over the last 4 years?
FY 2011 FUNDING  $803 BILLION    (Homeland Security was $822 Billion.)
FY 2012 FUNDING  $775 BILLION

2011 NUMBERS

         1,477,896 ACTIVE DUTY          
         1,458,500 RESERVES

TOTAL   2,936,396              JULY 2011 SERVING IN WAR ZONES
                                                         AFGHANISTAN    100,000
                                                         IRAQ                    48,000   **

**OF COURSE THIS IS ON ROTATING BASIS, BUT I BELIEVE 293,640 (10% OF TOTAL
ACTIVE AND RESERVES THAT IS A FAIRLY CLOSE.)  MY 10% WAS SIMPLY A "SWAG"

As a matter of information the DOD budget is higher than the next 13 countries combined.

Again not arguing against the military, but simply stating my opinion about their budget and its use.

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Posted: 12/25/2013 10:12 AM

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You have showed some top level funding and manpower numbers, but where have you identified lack of internal control or waste?

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auburn2 wrote:
AUSECtion29 wrote:
The military in IMO the most overfunded department of the U.S. government.  Military seems to have no internal control over all the wasted money.  Everyone looks at "people who puts their life on the line" which is about 10% of the military organization.  All departments are making cuts, not filling jobs, closing or consolidating offices, ect.   I am not anti-military, was reared in a military family, served six years in  reserves where on weekends reserve meetings we might have done four or five  hours of actual work.  

I can see no reason for special treatment of them where other departments have been frozen at 2010 pay rates.
Really most overfunded?  Even in comparison to the EPA, Energy, Education ....

As for the reserves, what you are paying for is a retainer to have people and units trained and available for war while not supporting them in a standing Army.   And they have been used in combat extensively in Iraq last decade.

While I am at it how many other departments have already been cut as much as the military has over the last 4 years?
FY 2011 FUNDING  $803 BILLION    (Homeland Security was $822 Billion.)
FY 2012 FUNDING  $775 BILLION

2011 NUMBERS

         1,477,896 ACTIVE DUTY          
         1,458,500 RESERVES

TOTAL   2,936,396              JULY 2011 SERVING IN WAR ZONES
                                                         AFGHANISTAN    100,000
                                                         IRAQ                    48,000   **

**OF COURSE THIS IS ON ROTATING BASIS, BUT I BELIEVE 293,640 (10% OF TOTAL
ACTIVE AND RESERVES THAT IS A FAIRLY CLOSE.)  MY 10% WAS SIMPLY A "SWAG"

As a matter of information the DOD budget is higher than the next 13 countries combined.

Again not arguing against the military, but simply stating my opinion about their budget and its use.

WAR EAGLE    If (when?) AU wins that will be five in a row for the State of Alabamacoolcoolcool

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The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money --Alexis de Tocqueville

I gave in, and admitted that God was God. --C. S. Lewis
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Posted: 12/25/2013 1:19 PM

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abqtiger wrote: You have showed some top level funding and manpower numbers, but where have you identified lack of internal control or waste?



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2010 GAO Report--GAO has been unable to provide an audit opinion...because of "widespread material internal control weakness"  The principle obstacle was "serious financial management problems at DOD that makes its financial statements unsuitable for audit"

20ll GAO Report  ---ditto above

Personal observation (beyond all stories regarding hammers, ect)

As a former investigator with DOL one of my duties was the enforcement the Service Contract Act (contracts for services issued by federal agencies)

The Department of the Army issued a contract to a company to service the air-conditioners and heating units at military housing at -----------  It was issued at $35.00 per hour for all hours worked by the employees.  The employer had two certified HAVC employees and ten others who were paid $8.00-$16.50 (HVAC rate).  The hours of all employees were submitted and paid for at $35 per hour.   The difference between $16.50 and $35.00 was for profit, fringe benefits (holidays, vacations, sick pay, health insurance) which were not provided by the employer.  No Army auditor ever looked at any records except the monthly hours submitted to verify they were paying for hours submitted.  That was their internal control.

Very minor example of waste.  I could give you many, many more involving their entire contracting system.  These are the little contracts.  Imagine the major contracts.
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